Ryan Hartman Match Penalty for "Attempt to Injure" on Tim Stützle (upd: in-person hearing - 10 games)

[uncleben]

His Cap hit is 4.000 but his salary is 5.000 which means his stupidity cost him about $610k

Fines generated from suspension are calculated by cap hit

 

[mouser]

You're right. A two week break for the All-Stars is about 8 games missed so it's like he got 18 games in time and money lost.

Nope. It doesn’t matter how many days a suspension lasts, the lost salary is calculated based on the number of games.

Non repeat offenders lose one day of salary for each game. With 192 days this season that’s 1/192th of their salary for each game.

Repeat offenders lose 1/82nd of their salary for each game suspended.


Edit: for clarity the lost salary amount is based on the players contract AAV (Average Annual Value). Not the specific salary/bonuses for the season of the contract in which the suspension occurred.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Loved his edge as a prospect. Hate that he's turned into Matt Cooke.

 

[BagHead]

Nope. It doesn’t matter how many days a suspension lasts, the lost salary is calculated based on the number of games.

Non repeat offenders lose one day of salary for each game. With 192 days this season that’s 1/192th of their salary for each game.

Repeat offenders lose 1/82nd of their salary for each game suspended.

So, $487,804.88 of his gross salary. That's a crapload of money.

 

[Devilsfan118]

Minnesota TV Play by Play was calling it “losing his balance”

Well they are one of the worst tv screws in the league for a reason.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Fines generated from suspension are calculated by cap hit

Cap hit and not actual salary?

Seems odd.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Not enough

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

how many games would it be if stutzle broke his neck?

srs question

 

[BagHead]

how many games would it be if stutzle broke his neck?

srs question

More games. I think 20 games is the rate for pulling a Bertuzzi, IIRC. Should be more, but that's the precedent.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Hit them where it hurts , the wallet. Make him lose half of his salary , bet he will understand faster

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

More games. I think 20 games is the rate for pulling a Bertuzzi, IIRC. Should be more, but that's the precedent.

pretty crazy because in real life it would be prison time

 

[BlueOil]

hartman's reliable proof you can misuse intelligence to hurt people

 

[Jumptheshark]

That's gonna be a game or two.

Hard to argue that it was an "accident" when Hartman has been losing his shit all game. Intent to injure 100%

Understatement there

 

[Terry Yake]

so hartman is the new raffi torres i guess?

 

[Mr Positive]

Really not surprising

The Oilers played the Wild three times. He slewfooted Draisaitl, which does have potential to injure the head, and he also hit Bouchard's head into the net, which did injure Bouchard. The league didn't suspend in either case because it was extremely "accidentally on purpose" so you couldnt be 100% certain it was intentional, although the slewfoot definitely was. This is what you get when you don't take discipline seriously. Guys like Hartman get bolder and will escalate.

 

[robertocarlos]

Are the salary counted from start and end of Regular season?

Yes, They have a 180 day or so season and they pay the players per day they are on the 23 man roster.

Nope. It doesn’t matter how many days a suspension lasts, the lost salary is calculated based on the number of games.

Non repeat offenders lose one day of salary for each game. With 192 days this season that’s 1/192th of their salary for each game.

Repeat offenders lose 1/82nd of their salary for each game suspended.


Edit: for clarity the lost salary amount is based on the players contract AAV (Average Annual Value). Not the specific salary/bonuses for the season of the contract in which the suspension occurred.

Thanks for explaining it mouser.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Really not surprising

The Oilers played the Wild three times. He slewfooted Draisaitl, which does have potential to injure the head, and he also hit Bouchard's head into the net, which did injure Bouchard. The league didn't suspend in either case because it was extremely "accidentally on purpose" so you couldnt be 100% certain it was intentional, although the slewfoot definitely was. This is what you get when you don't take discipline seriously. Guys like Hartman get bolder and will escalate.

It's really pathetic to complain about the Bouchard play. Players jockey for position all the time before getting to the puck. Bouchard looked like an idiot that didn't realize hockey is a contact sport.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

The question I’m wondering is how many games would he get if it was against a random 30 year old 3rd or 4th line player?

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Glad Hartman got suspended for this. Losing ~$500k should change how he plays really fast.

 

[LTIR]

pretty crazy because in real life it would be prison time

Whatever.. McDavid would also be in prison in real life for crosschecking in the face area.
Zadorov+Soucy combo assault on McDavid in playoffs would have been worse
Bottom line no neck was broken and 'assaults attempting to injure' are common in NHL

 

[Mr Positive]

It's really pathetic to complain about the Bouchard play. Players jockey for position all the time before getting to the puck. Bouchard looked like an idiot that didn't realize hockey is a contact sport.

No it was pathetic to push Bouchard intentionally into the metal net. Jockeying for pucks with physicality is fine. Hartman hits players all the time, which is fine, but it proves he is an expert at the timing of hits and the aftermath. He also has a history as a dirty player. He knew what he was doing. This is not unlike Cooke who had a lot of plays like that. "Whoops! How'd that happen? What bad luck"

 

[Sota Popinski]

No it was pathetic to push Bouchard intentionally into the metal net. Jockeying for pucks with physicality is fine. Hartman hits players all the time, which is fine, but it proves he is an expert at the timing of hits and the aftermath. He also has a history as a dirty player. He knew what he was doing. This is not unlike Cooke who had a lot of plays like that. "Whoops! How'd that happen? What bad luck"

So not only do you not know what a slew foot is, you are crying about Bouchard being pushed towards the net. Maybe the Oilers should wear pink jerseys so the other players know they aren't allowed to touch them

 

[andora]

More games. I think 20 games is the rate for pulling a Bertuzzi, IIRC. Should be more, but that's the precedent.

Until we actually suspend the act not the result it will continue to happen

Not likely to eliminate stupidity but it would help

 

[mouser]

Cap hit and not actual salary?

Seems odd.

Makes a lot of sense. Cap hit (AAV) is simply the average annual salary of the multi-year contract.

Imagine a player who has a $6m AAV contract paying him $8m in year 1 and $4m in the final year. If they didn’t use the average value then any suspension would cost twice as much in year 1 of the contract as it would in the final year.