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Realm said:
good player on a terrible team, trade him to a playoff team and he wont get 1st line time, or 1st line PP. His stat line he is putting up on the Hawks wont be put up anywhere else this playoff season.
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Isn’t his even strength scoring decent? He might help someone’s second line if he’s a fit.
 
He'll play 3rd line wing. Dude has a good shot and not a pass first guy either. I know the Hawks will trade him because it's a biz but will miss him. He scores no matter who he is with too.
 
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Kevin Musto said:
To Chicago:
:hawks
-Conor Geekie
-Conor Sheary

To Tampa:
:bolts
-Ryan Donato
-Lukas Reichel
-2025 Dallas 2nd round pick
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This is awful for the Hawks, Sheary is an AHL player at this point who is signed for $2m for another year after this one. he has no value to Chicago, they are actually doing Tampa a favour by taking him off their hands.

So that means the Hawks are taking a $2m cap hit, plus giving Tampa Donato, Reichel and a 2nd round pick for Geekie… brutal. Geekie hasn’t shown anything to really warrant more than Reichel straight up.
 
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Realm said:
good player on a terrible team, trade him to a playoff team and he wont get 1st line time, or 1st line PP. His stat line he is putting up on the Hawks wont be put up anywhere else this playoff season.
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I mean he gets 13:35 ES TOI/G and 1:49 PP TOI/G on Chicago. These are not prime-time usage numbers. On a team like Tampa they would ranked 7th in ES usage and 5th in PP usage among forwards so he's very much just getting middle six minutes as it is. He's been loaded with more ice after the Hall trade and approaching the deadline but he was already solidly productive before then.

The whole point of a guy like Donato is he kind of can generate a bit of offense from a lower usage position.
 
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ColbyChaos said:
So you give up all of that to move up roughly 26 or so spots in the draft? Lmao
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Mateiko isn't a 'nothing' prospect, he's got legitimately solid NHL potential.

Reichel doesn't do anything for the Caps right now (in season). He'd be so far down their depth chart that he'd be a healthy scratch every night since they can't send him to the AHL without waivers. So no point from their perspective in paying anything extra to acquire him.

(Off-season, Reichel could be an interesting reclamation project, similar to Strome. But not with an otherwise already full lineup.)
 
Random schmoe said:
Mateiko isn't a 'nothing' prospect, he's got legitimately solid NHL potential.

Reichel doesn't do anything for the Caps right now (in season). He'd be so far down their depth chart that he'd be a healthy scratch every night since they can't send him to the AHL without waivers. So no point from their perspective in paying anything extra to acquire him.

(Off-season, Reichel could be an interesting reclamation project, similar to Strome. But not with an otherwise already full lineup.)
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You’ll have to forgive me. I was not aware being sub PPG in the weakest CHL league as a overager was serious business. Once Mateiko ages out of the CHL maybe he could duke it out Paul Ludwinski for the better press box seat in Rockford
 
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ColbyChaos said:
You’ll have to forgive me. I was not aware being sub PPG in the weakest CHL league as a overager was serious business. Once Mateiko ages out of the CHL maybe he could duke it out Paul Ludwinski for the better press box seat in Rockford
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Why do you have to be so mean?
 
Random schmoe said:
I don't know, it's kind of nice when ignorant trolls make their true colors and lack of knowledge so easy to identify.
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But you had no counter to his claim.
Certainly you would expect you would have more knowledge about your favorite teams prospects.
Tell us all what it is that would make this seemingly “middling” prospect a great addition to Chicago’s pool?
 
OK then.

Mateiko is not, by most common definitions, an overager. He just turned 19 in November. If you want to say it's because this is his 3rd year in the CHL, fine, then by the same definition Marek Vanacker is an 'overager'.

The team he spent most of the season on is a poor one. They're tied for the most losses in the QMJHL. Many good players don't accumulate strong numbers on poor teams. Is Connor Bedard a bad player because he's sub PPG in his second season in the NHL? Or is it that he's a good player on a bad team?

He was tied for 3rd in goals (with 5) among all players at this past WJC, and watching him showed that it wasn't just a fluke, he has strong skills.

And lastly, I never said he was "serious business". I only said "he's got legitimately solid NHL potential". I am not suggesting he's some first line future star. Just that he has positive value in a trade offer which shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.
 
Random schmoe said:
OK then.

Mateiko is not, by most common definitions, an overager. He just turned 19 in November. If you want to say it's because this is his 3rd year in the CHL, fine, then by the same definition Marek Vanacker is an 'overager'.
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I consider him one as well since he is in his draft +1 year he is older than the vast majority of CHL players already. My belief always was that forwards returning to the CHL in their draft +1 season unless they are recovering from a major injury should be at a minimum PPG if you want to have any realistic expectations of them playing in higher leagues.

Random schmoe said:
The team he spent most of the season on is a poor one. They're tied for the most losses in the QMJHL. Many good players don't accumulate strong numbers on poor teams. Is Connor Bedard a bad player because he's sub PPG in his second season in the NHL? Or is it that he's a good player on a bad team?
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We already saw Bedard production on a bad CHL team meanwhile points in the NHL matter a lot more than pts in the CHL. Trying to compare the 2nd youngest player in the NHL being sub PPG in the most skilled league to a player being sub PPG much lower league doesn’t help your argument. It is a lot easier to still put up stats on a bad team in the CHL
Random schmoe said:
He was tied for 3rd in goals (with 5) among all players at this past WJC, and watching him showed that it wasn't just a fluke, he has strong skills.

And lastly, I never said he was "serious business". I only said "he's got legitimately solid NHL potential". I am not suggesting he's some first line future star. Just that he has positive value in a trade offer which shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.
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Then why should he basically be traded for Reichel and a 2nd since that is basically what the trade boils down to. As I said in my original post Donato + Reichel + a 2nd rounder in the late 55-60 ish range should net a better return than what is right now projected to be pick 31 and Mateiko.

Trade is approaching gross over pay territory with the return not being good enough honestly in my opinion. The second rounder and Reichel should be taken out of the hypothetical trade and it should just be Donato for a 1st straight up.
 
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