RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 6

[Junohockeyfan]

Cool, explain how Celebrini had a better season than Michkov without looking foolish

You actually think Michkov had a better season than Celly? lol

 

[Sasso09]

It probably was a close vote between 3 and 4. But i would have given it to Wolf as he was a key reason the Flames almost made the playoffs. You can't look at his age etc. because he is eligible.

Michkov had warts. Benched on a number of occasions. Long stretches of no production. Tied with Celebrini but with many more games played.

Notice i didn't make the argument that Celebrini was younger than Michkov or hadn't had the advantage of playing in a men's league for a year before entering the NHL.... Because none of that matters.

Celebrini did play with men, in the NCAA
Celebrini had more overall playing time than Michkov, games played means nothing
Celebrini had better quality linemates
Celebrini did less during even strength minutes

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Celebrini did play with men, in the NCAA
Celebrini had more overall playing time than Michkov, games played means nothing
Celebrini had better quality linemates
Celebrini did less during even strength minutes

Bless you little heart…

You are insane! lol

 

[Sasso09]

If you were to judge a player based on only his worst stretch of hockey, Michkov wouldn’t even be in consideration for the Calder at all based on numerous benchings / horrible play.

Based on the totality of Wolf’s play, he was fantastic and in any other year would win the Calder. He carried the Flames.

Just admit you haven't watched him play yet.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Just admit you haven't watched him play yet.

I admit you haven’t watched Celebrini play. Couple time i watched Michkov get benched for sucking hard!

 

[Sasso09]

If you want tuse that like of thinking what did Michkov lead his team to?

It's not a legit argument, Wolf had a team in the mix for a long time that had zero business being there the trophy is based on the entire season of play.

You mean leading the entire NHL in Even strength scoring pace from the end of 4 nations on?

 

[Sasso09]

This is simply not true. Wolf had an impactful season. 910 save percentage and 29 wins on a team that had no business competing for a playoff spot.

Very deserving of a Calder 3rd place. Michkov is very deserving of a 4th place finish.

Credit to Michkov for an impressive season. Unfortunately for him there were 2 finalists that were miles ahead of him and another that nosed him out.

Celebrini was "miles ahead"

LMAO

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Celebrini was "miles ahead"

LMAO

You finally got something right!

 

[Sasso09]

You actually think Michkov had a better season than Celly? lol

I KNOIW he did.

Out produced him even strength
Out produced him per 60
Played with lesser linemates
Was anchored by a coach while Celebrini played entirely free

Better PP60
Far better ESP60
More primary points
more goals

The only argument for Celebrini would be "he plays better defense" which is a title that has been given to him, not earned. While he's better defensively, hes not good at it at this point.

Give them both 20 minutes a night even usage, Michkov is putting up at least 10 more goals and 15 more points.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I KNOIW he did.

Out produced him even strength
Out produced him per 60
Played with lesser linemates
Was anchored by a coach while Celebrini played entirely free

Better PP60
Far better ESP60
More primary points
more goals

The only argument for Celebrini would be "he plays better defense" which is a title that has been given to him, not earned. While he's better defensively, hes not good at it at this point.

Give them both 20 minutes a night even usage, Michkov is putting up at least 10 more goals and 15 more points.

Give Celebrini another 10 games to even the number of games played, he out produces the one dimensional liability know. As Michkov.

There’s no comparison. Celebrini was the superior player. Not worth wasting time discussing…

Michkov did well to finish 4th. I applaud him for that amazing achievement!

 

[Sasso09]

Demidov is vacationing in the Dominican Republic.
It's confirmed... Demidov > Michkov

$100 USD in DR is $6,000
$100 USD in $27

Peasant activity

 

[Sasso09]

Give Celebrini another 10 games to even the number of games played, he out produces the one dimensional liability know. As Michkov.

There’s no comparison. Celebrini was the superior player. Not worth wasting time discussing…

Michkov did well to finish 4th. I applaud him for that amazing achievement!

Why are you talking about games played? it's irrelevant, Celebrini played more, a lot more.

You definitely are wasting your time being wrong, congrats.

 

[Sasso09]

Give Celebrini another 10 games to even the number of games played, he out produces the one dimensional liability know. As Michkov.

There’s no comparison. Celebrini was the superior player. Not worth wasting time discussing…

Michkov did well to finish 4th. I applaud him for that amazing achievement!

This is a Michkov thread, not a Hutson or Demidov thread

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Why are you talking about games played? it's irrelevant, Celebrini played more, a lot more.

You definitely are wasting your time being wrong, congrats.

Hahahahaha

Yeah, number of games don’t count…. Good one.

Celly played more minutes because he was much more reliable offensively and defensively compared to the one dimensional Michkov. Michkov got benched on numerous occasions because of his defensive shortcomings and selfish play.

But keep up the crazy talk!

I will let you guys get back to the overrating of Mic

Toodles…

 

[Sasso09]

Because minds can be changed as the season progresses. I has celebrini #1 in the first half. Then Hutson. Had Michkov top 3 by Feb. then in the end, wolf top 3.

if you aren’t adjusting your opinion as the season progresses, you are a biased homer. Clearly you fall into a certain category.

Its pretty funny that you are so butthurt over a meaningless 3rd place position. Like a soccer mom bitter that her boy did not get a participation award.

All that matters is who won the Calder. Who finished runner up or below is pointless.

LOL you had Michkov top 3 in February.... And somehow dropped him out despite the below

Matvei Michkov has 12 goals, 17 assists, 31 points and a plus-minus of -4 in 29 games since February 1, 2025.​

Macklin Celebrini has 9 goals, 17 assists, 26 points and a plus-minus of -11 in 28 games since February 1, 2025.​

Lane Hutson has 3 goals, 24 assists, 27 points and a plus-minus of +13 in 31 games since February 1, 2025.​

Dustin Wolf is 10-8-6 in 24 games with a goals against average of 2.80 and a save percentage of .901 since February 1, 2025.​

You have some serious explaining to do bud. Just give it up and admit you're troll farming at this point

 

[Sasso09]

Again, you’re making no sense. So by February you were convinced Michkov was a Calder finalist over Wolf; Michkov proceeds to have a lights-out close to his season (29 points in 29 games after 2/1) while Wolf plays his worst in that same span. You post on March 31 that Michkov is your Calder finalist, yet somehow your decision changes to Wolf with only days left in the regular season????

Care to explain that one? Or you want to save that one for later and tell me how a goalie with a losing record over the final 2.5 months of the season was “fantastic” and “carried” the Flames?

I see you already dunked on him, i'm dealing with a corpse

 

[Baksfamous112]

Celebrini did play with men, in the NCAA
Celebrini had more overall playing time than Michkov, games played means nothing
Celebrini had better quality linemates
Celebrini did less during even strength minutes

I don’t think there is one team in the NHL that would take Michkov over Celibrini right now or in the future.

This isn’t a knock on Michkov - It’s just that Celibrini’s D+1 season has been a special one and he’s going to be a special player.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

LOL you had Michkov top 3 in February.... And somehow dropped him out despite the below

Matvei Michkov has 12 goals, 17 assists, 31 points and a plus-minus of -4 in 29 games since February 1, 2025.​

Macklin Celebrini has 9 goals, 17 assists, 26 points and a plus-minus of -11 in 28 games since February 1, 2025.​

Lane Hutson has 3 goals, 24 assists, 27 points and a plus-minus of +13 in 31 games since February 1, 2025.​

Dustin Wolf is 10-8-6 in 24 games with a goals against average of 2.80 and a save percentage of .901 since February 1, 2025.​

You have some serious explaining to do bud. Just give it up and admit you're troll farming at this point

Try taking the entirety of their seasons and not cherry picking like Michkov does on a daily basis.

Cherry picking is a sign of defeat. And you my friend are defeated. Michkov’s one dimensional play got him benched on numerous occasions. Its a key reason why he played less minutes than Celly.

But finishing 4th is an achievement and i would like to congratulate Michkov on that!

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I don’t think there is one team in the NHL that would take Michkov over Celibrini right now or in the future.

This isn’t a knock on Michkov - It’s just that Celibrini’s D+1 season has been a special one and he’s going to be a special player.

There isn’t a team on earth that would take Michkov over Celly.

 

[Sasso09]

Hahahahaha

Yeah, number of games don’t count…. Good one.

Celly played more minutes because he was much more reliable offensively and defensively compared to the one dimensional Michkov. Michkov got benched on numerous occasions because of his defensive shortcomings and selfish play.

But keep up the crazy talk!

I will let you guys get back to the overrating of Mic

Toodles…

Celebrini would have went to the AHL immediately after getting dragged by Caufield if he played for Torts.

Torts Benched a FAR better defensive player in Couturier for "defensive issues" it's what he does.

Celebrini played meaningless carefree, structure free hockey and his defensive ability was NOT good

 

[Sasso09]

I don’t think there is one team in the NHL that would take Michkov over Celibrini right now or in the future.

This isn’t a knock on Michkov - It’s just that Celibrini’s D+1 season has been a special one and he’s going to be a special player.

Probably not, due to age and position.

Michkov is for sure the better player right now though.

 

[wetcoast]

You mean leading the entire NHL in Even strength scoring pace from the end of 4 nations on?

I'm pretty sure there is a seperate trophy for that as well.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I'm pretty sure there is a seperate trophy for that as well.

I deserves a participation award.

 

[Fatass]

Got to feel for Michkov. Year one he has Torts. Years 2-6. Tocchet.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Probably not, due to age and position.

Michkov is for sure the better player right now though.

I don’t think that’s the case. Celibrini was more impactful through the year.

Wolf had a good season, probably a more impactful one overall than Michkov but there is no chance I take him on my team ahead of Michkov though