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RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 6

Fixed it for you.

Yeah bro there's a GM in the league that would trade Michkov for 5'6" 165 pound playoff caved Hutson. Just wanted you to know. Enjoy the Calder. It'll age worse and worse as the years go on, you can't magically grow 6 inches adn 50-60 pounds, you know it, I know it. See you in a few years. You have what you have enjoy it haha
 
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Yeah bro there's a GM in the league that would trade Michkov for 5'6" 165 pound playoff caved Hutson. Just wanted you to know. Enjoy the Calder. It'll age worse and worse as the years go on, you can't magically grow 6 inches adn 50-60 pounds, you know it, I know it. See you in a few years. You have what you have enjoy it haha
Yeah who wouldn’t want a career playoff PPG 21 years old D instead of a winger
 
Yeah who wouldn’t want a career playoff PPG 21 years old D instead of a winger

What's hilarious is Montreal could've had both.

Could you imagine how sick a Demidov/Michkov combo would be, with Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky on the next line and Hutson on the back-end?
No wonder there's a lot of cope going around.
 
What's hilarious is Montreal could've had both.

Could you imagine how sick a Demidov/Michkov combo would be, with Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky on the next line and Hutson on the back-end?
No wonder there's a lot of cope going around.
Montreal for pushed around too much in the playoff. I can’t imagine Montreal would be thrilled to have another 5’09 forward in the top 6.
Lol, even if Hutson turns out to be as good as Quinn Hughes (and it's pretty big if), how many fans and managers will pick him over prime Kucherov? I'm pretty sure very few ones...
I seriously doubt Michkov will come close to having 7+ consecutive 100 pts season (he was pacing over 100 for the two shortened seasons). This is just an unrealistic ask from Michkov through his career
 
Lol, even if Hutson turns out to be as good as Quinn Hughes (and it's pretty big if), how many fans and managers will pick him over prime Kucherov? I'm pretty sure very few ones...
Ok, it's a 'if' Hutson turns out as good as Quinn Hughes , but Michkov is a sure thing prime Kucherov. :popcorn:
 
Yeah, the article is half good and half bad. Good because it says Michkov had a good season and is going to be a superstar - hard to argue with this. Bad, because actually nobody gives a f*** for Calder. Attention span of it is about season, maximum two. Ask hockey fans did McDavid win Calder, and 80% of them won't give you correct answer or any answer at all...
Calder Schmalder. I rember being incensed that Steve Vickers beat Billy Barber for the Calder (Barber was clearly the better player, stats were about even, Barber nave have had more points or goals- I can’t remember). Barber is in the HHOF. Vickers isnt
 
If you want tuse that like of thinking what did Michkov lead his team to?

It's not a legit argument, Wolf had a team in the mix for a long time that had zero business being there the trophy is based on the entire season of play.

It has nothing to do with Michkov and everything to do with the false idea that Wolf “carried” the Flames when in fact Vladar in lesser minutes put up better numbers later in the season backing up Wolf, who was the beneficiary of the Flames’ offense waking up when it was too late.

Calgary was a mediocre team by mid-March just like they were without Wolf the season prior. They got hot in the final month and goal-scoring increased from 2.55 GF in their first 66 games to 3.25 in the final 16, during which Wolf slashed near the bottom among NHL starters. That’s why they went 11-2-3 to keep pace with St. Louis, not some bullshit narrative that Wolf was a savior.

Was Wolf scoring all those goals?

This is simply not true. Wolf had an impactful season. 910 save percentage and 29 wins on a team that had no business competing for a playoff spot.

Very deserving of a Calder 3rd place. Michkov is very deserving of a 4th place finish.

Credit to Michkov for an impressive season. Unfortunately for him there were 2 finalists that were miles ahead of him and another that nosed him out.

OK so now we’re adjusting our rhetoric to saying Wolf was “impactful” and not “fantastic”. That’s my point. Michkov too was “fantastic” for an anemic Flyer offense but his overall season was “impactful”.

As already stated, Wolf’s numbers were neither out-of-worldly, nor consistent with how the PHWA values goaltending regardless of the team situation.

Here are most of the Calder-eligible goalies since 2006 who received votes and their voting results.

As you can clearly see, Wolf had the fourth-worst save percentage out of this 27-man cohort. Throw in the plussed-up goal support, and you can see his raw numbers like wins are team-reflected, not the other way around.

Lundqvist (4th) 30-12-9, .922
Miller (8th) 30-14-4, .914
Nittymaki (15th) 23-15-6, .895
Price (4th) 24-12-3, .920
Mason (1st) 33-20-6, .916
Rinne (4th) 29-15-4, .917
Quick (16th) 21-18-2, .914
Howard (2nd) 37-15-10, .924
Rask (4th) 22-12-5, .931
Crawford (4th) 33-18-6, .917
Bobrovsky (7th) 23-13-8, .916
Neuvirth (14th) 27-12-4, .914
Reimer (15th) 20-10-5, .921
Andersen (9th) 20-5-0, .923
Hutchinson (8th) 21-10-5, .914
Allen (10th) 22-7-4, .913
Gibson (7th) 21-13-4, .920
Murray (4th) 32-10-4, .923
Binnington (2nd) 24-5-1, .927
Blackwood (6th) 22-14-8, .916
Vanecek (6th) 21-10-4, .908
Swayman (5th) 23-14-3, .914
Skinner (2nd) 29-14-5, .913
Thompson (8th) 21-13-3, .915
Kochetkov (4th) 23-13-4 .911
Ersson (10th) 23-19-7, .890
Wolf (finalist) 29-16-8, .910
 
It has nothing to do with Michkov and everything to do with the false idea that Wolf “carried” the Flames when in fact Vladar in lesser minutes put up better numbers later in the season backing up Wolf, who was the beneficiary of the Flames’ offense waking up when it was too late.
This is simply not true and you know this.

Wolf was the goalie that had them even in contention for playoff spot later in the season.

Their splits and month by month records are right here.



Sure Vladar had "better" late season numbers but also smaller sample sizes and the Calder is for the season and Wolf was instrumental for the Flames even having a shot.

To say otherwise is intellectually dishonest at best.



Calgary was a mediocre team by mid-March just like they were without Wolf the season prior. They got hot in the final month and goal-scoring increased from 2.55 GF in their first 66 games to 3.25 in the final 16, during which Wolf slashed near the bottom among NHL starters. That’s why they went 11-2-3 to keep pace with St. Louis, not some bullshit narrative that Wolf was a savior.

Was Wolf scoring all those goals?



OK so now we’re adjusting our rhetoric to saying Wolf was “impactful” and not “fantastic”. That’s my point. Michkov too was “fantastic” for an anemic Flyer offense but his overall season was “impactful”.

As already stated, Wolf’s numbers were neither out-of-worldly, nor consistent with how the PHWA values goaltending regardless of the team situation.


Here are most of the Calder-eligible goalies since 2006 who received votes and their voting results.

As you can clearly see, Wolf had the fourth-worst save percentage out of this 27-man cohort. Throw in the plussed-up goal support, and you can see his raw numbers like wins are team-reflected, not the other way around.

Lundqvist (4th) 30-12-9, .922
Miller (8th) 30-14-4, .914
Nittymaki (15th) 23-15-6, .895
Price (4th) 24-12-3, .920
Mason (1st) 33-20-6, .916
Rinne (4th) 29-15-4, .917
Quick (16th) 21-18-2, .914
Howard (2nd) 37-15-10, .924
Rask (4th) 22-12-5, .931
Crawford (4th) 33-18-6, .917
Bobrovsky (7th) 23-13-8, .916
Neuvirth (14th) 27-12-4, .914
Reimer (15th) 20-10-5, .921
Andersen (9th) 20-5-0, .923
Hutchinson (8th) 21-10-5, .914
Allen (10th) 22-7-4, .913
Gibson (7th) 21-13-4, .920
Murray (4th) 32-10-4, .923
Binnington (2nd) 24-5-1, .927
Blackwood (6th) 22-14-8, .916
Vanecek (6th) 21-10-4, .908
Swayman (5th) 23-14-3, .914
Skinner (2nd) 29-14-5, .913
Thompson (8th) 21-13-3, .915
Kochetkov (4th) 23-13-4 .911
Ersson (10th) 23-19-7, .890
Wolf (finalist) 29-16-8, .910
You seem to be misguided here as well.

Wolf was competing for the Calder against all other eligible candidates for the 24-25 season.

To bring up other seasons, with your selective "analysis's" contributes to the 2025 Calder discussion how exactly?
 
This is simply not true and you know this.

Wolf was the goalie that had them even in contention for playoff spot later in the season.

Their splits and month by month records are right here.



Sure Vladar had "better" late season numbers but also smaller sample sizes and the Calder is for the season and Wolf was instrumental for the Flames even having a shot.

To say otherwise is intellectually dishonest at best.

You seem to be misguided here as well.

Wolf was competing for the Calder against all other eligible candidates for the 24-25 season.

To bring up other seasons, with your selective "analysis's" contributes to the 2025 Calder discussion how exactly?

Where to begin.

First of all, nothing — literally nothing — I wrote is “dishonest” because I provided actual data. Wolf was not good in the second half, specifically since February 1st. On what planet is a 10-8-6 mark with a .901 save percentage over the final three months of the season good enough to consider that Wolf “had them even in contention for playoff spot later in the season.” ? You want to reward him for a great first 30 starts, be my guest. But that in itself debunks any idea that Wolf carried the team to playoff contention the whole season. He was clearly pedestrian in the clutch and most of his late-season wins were from goal support.

Second, the point of bringing up Vladar was that he deserved more starts over Wolf once Vladar got his season turned around. He was 6-1-1 with a .927 save% after 2/1. And that was after coming off an injury.

Lastly, are you really not getting why I added the goalie stats since 2006? It’s to point out voting inconsistencies. Wolf had a below-average Calder season by normal standards, not some heroic, stood-on-his head effort like you and others have been brainwashed into thinking.

Carey Price in 2008 was 15-5-0 with a .931 save% after 2/1. Finished fourth in Calder voting behind Toews, who had 54 points and Backstrom who had 69 points playing with Ovechkin.

Lundqvist was a Vezina finalist and top-10 for the Hart but wasn’t a Calder finalist because Phaneuf scored 20 goals — 16 on the PP!
 

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