RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 6

[HeadLiceHatty]

To make him Laine jr they should chop off his head...

Why reply to this individual, I had to block he's not here to have a conversation, he's here to troll. lol. I'll add there are some decent Habs posters here, but guys like that don't deserve any attention.

 

[wetcoast]

A long way to get there. Kuch is underrated defensively

Kuch also has a supporting cast that Michov will most likely never have....just saying.

And as much as I like Michkov as a prospect anyone sending out Kuch vibes should pump the brakes a bit.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Kuch also has a supporting cast that Michov will most likely never have....just saying.

And as much as I like Michkov as a prospect anyone sending out Kuch vibes should pump the brakes a bit.

Maybe. But so far he's been ahead of Nikita on every level. Save that WJC U18 record, because he didn't get a chance.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Kuch also has a supporting cast that Michov will most likely never have....just saying.

And as much as I like Michkov as a prospect anyone sending out Kuch vibes should pump the brakes a bit.

Michkov is 20, so the Flyers have 6 years to find a center for Michkov for his potential 1st 100 point season to be in line when Kucherov did it. I'd be willing to bet anything Michkov hits 100 points before he's 26. As above stated, he's been ahead of Kucherov at every single level he's been on, and that includes his rookie season. Imagine if he didn't play on the worst PP in the league and for Torts, it's kind of insane that he was able to do what he did with what he was given.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Kuch also has a supporting cast that Michov will most likely never have....just saying.

And as much as I like Michkov as a prospect anyone sending out Kuch vibes should pump the brakes a bit.

While I am inclined to agree as that's an insanely high bar, in other threads you neg Kucherov incessantly, so I don't think you and others speak the same language when you say that.

 

[wetcoast]

Maybe. But so far he's been ahead of Nikita on every level. Save that WJC U18 record, because he didn't get a chance.

Sure but Kuch wasn't that type of prospect either and he is one of those guys that grew the most since draft day types so I don't really see the value in the initial comparison.

He could still have an excellent career and not become Kuch.

 

[wetcoast]

While I am inclined to agree as that's an insanely high bar, in other threads you neg Kucherov incessantly, so I don't think you and others speak the same language when you say that.

Then maybe don't conflate things that aren't there?

Kuch and Michkov were entirely different levels of players as prospects and as far as growth from draft day to peak Kuch had elite among elite growth.

Also the " other threads" are talking about Jagr so keeping there and take the loss.

 

[wetcoast]

Michkov is 20, so the Flyers have 6 years to find a center for Michkov for his potential 1st 100 point season to be in line when Kucherov did it. I'd be willing to bet anything Michkov hits 100 points before he's 26. As above stated, he's been ahead of Kucherov at every single level he's been on, and that includes his rookie season. Imagine if he didn't play on the worst PP in the league and for Torts, it's kind of insane that he was able to do what he did with what he was given.

The thing that really elevates Kuch, in terms of all time ranking, isn't just the points but the playoffs and only so many players in a generation get the optimal team situations to pounce of their skill level opportunities.

The classic example is Marcel Dionne versus Guy Lafleur.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Then maybe don't conflate things that aren't there?

Kuch and Michkov were entirely different levels of players as prospects and as far as growth from draft day to peak Kuch had elite among elite growth.

Also the " other threads" are talking about Jagr so keeping there and take the loss.

When one of the biggest Kucherov detractors says a prospect is not on his level, it means something different than when others say that.

 

[wetcoast]

When one of the biggest Kucherov detractors says a prospect is not on his level, it means something different than when others say that.

This statement is more telling if your view that if others don't agree 100% then you want to go to the detractor route and it's simply not a good look.

Maybe stop beating that dead horse as Michkov is extremely unlikely to be viewed as better than Kuch when it's all said and done even if he was the far better prospect early one and will no doubt have a good to very good career.

 

[WarriorofTime]

This statement is more telling if your view that if others don't agree 100% then you want to go to the detractor route and it's simply not a good look.

Maybe stop beating that dead horse as Michkov is extremely unlikely to be viewed as better than Kuch when it's all said and done even if he was the far better prospect early one and will no doubt have a good to very good career.

It just suggests your agenda is to neg Michkov as opposed to putting Kucherov on a mountain.

 

[wetcoast]

It just suggests your agenda is to neg Michkov as opposed to putting Kucherov on a mountain.

It's a discussion boards about hockey players stop.projecting.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Sure but Kuch wasn't that type of prospect either and he is one of those guys that grew the most since draft day types so I don't really see the value in the initial comparison.

He could still have an excellent career and not become Kuch.

Yeah, but Michkov isn't your typical prospect either. He always does things. I mean he came as 19 year old to the best league in the world, he didn't speak the language, he wasn't prepared properly physically, he was coached by a dinosaur, the team was terribad, and he still scored a lot of goals and points.

 

[wetcoast]

Yeah, but Michkov isn't your typical prospect either. He always does things. I mean he came as 19 year old to the best league in the world, he didn't speak the language, he wasn't prepared properly physically, he was coached by a dinosaur, the team was terribad, and he still scored a lot of goals and points.

Michkov was an elite prospect stop trying to downplay him.

Sure playing for Torts wasn't great but he plays with the teams best players and some of the factually wrong statements about his playing time and situation were embarrassingly misstated many times in this thread already.

Let's see how he does in year 2 in the NHL as there is an e citing new wave of U21 forwards that are going to emerge quickly.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Michkov was an elite prospect stop trying to downplay him.

Sure playing for Torts wasn't great but he plays with the teams best players and some of the factually wrong statements about his playing time and situation were embarrassingly misstated many times in this thread already.

Let's see how he does in year 2 in the NHL as there is an e citing new wave of U21 forwards that are going to emerge quickly.

When he actually did, he was on PPG+ pace...

 

[NatusVincere]

Had a crazy dream tonight: Michkov playing as a Hab against the Caps in the POs, soft and with no D at all directly responsible for two weak goals against including the OT winner for the Caps… I woke up an realised it was Lane Hutson.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Had a crazy dream tonight: Michkov playing as a Hab against the Caps in the POs, soft and with no D at all directly responsible for two weak goals against including the OT winner for the Caps… I woke up an realised it was Lane Hutson.

Side note it’s a shame Demidov is being thrown into the fire, actually think he’ll be great. But Hutson was to be expected he’s an undersized guy who’s offense only. It’ll be interesting to see Michkov in the playoffs he’s a cold blooded assassin, fully expect a sublime performance, no stage is too big for Michkov he’s dominated at every big stage of his life, kid loves it.

 

[Dingo]

Michkov is 20, so the Flyers have 6 years to find a center for Michkov for his potential 1st 100 point season to be in line when Kucherov did it. I'd be willing to bet anything Michkov hits 100 points before he's 26. As above stated, he's been ahead of Kucherov at every single level he's been on, and that includes his rookie season. Imagine if he didn't play on the worst PP in the league and for Torts, it's kind of insane that he was able to do what he did with what he was given.

i think he does it next year if they just put him with Konecny

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

i think he does it next year if they just put him with Konecny

As long as Rocky Thompson is gone and they have an actual PP that isn’t league worst. He already showed he can dominate 5v5

 

[MoneyManny]

Side note it’s a shame Demidov is being thrown into the fire, actually think he’ll be great. But Hutson was to be expected he’s an undersized guy who’s offense only. It’ll be interesting to see Michkov in the playoffs he’s a cold blooded assassin, fully expect a sublime performance, no stage is too big for Michkov he’s dominated at every big stage of his life, kid loves it.

What a Pejorative Slured take. Michkov already competed with Hutson for an entire season and lost so miserably he's not even in 2nd place. Hutson also has like a hundred times better defensive metrics than ya boy Matvei.

It would be interesting to see Michkov in the playoffs... before he hits 30 years old that is.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

What a Pejorative Slured take. Michkov already competed with Hutson for an entire season and lost so miserably he's not even in 2nd place. Hutson also has like a hundred times better defensive metrics than ya boy Matvei.

It would be interesting to see Michkov in the playoffs... before he hits 30 years old that is.

Wow this is quite the insecurity post, your post history suggests you think you’re smarter than everyone else which is utterly hilarious. Hutson has nowhere close to the value Michkov has no one in their sane mind would make that trade, look forward to watching Hutson get caved again in game 2 of the playoffs, enjoy your day.

 

[MoneyManny]

Wow this is quite the insecurity post, your post history suggests you think you’re smarter than everyone else which is utterly hilarious. Hutson has nowhere close to the value Michkov has no one in their sane mind would make that trade, look forward to watching Hutson get caved again in game 2 of the playoffs, enjoy your day.

I'm insecure yet you investigate my post history, kinda creepy. I've never even thought of doing that ever.

Came to this thread to read about Michkov but what i see is you trashing a player that just had a better rookie season by every possible metric to try to make your player look better.

I really like Michkov but right now i don't think he has Hutson's value. You're free to disagree.

And i really look forward to see Hutson get caved in again, you won't get to see Michov get caved in until October.

 

[Kshahdoo]

 

[Rebels57]

Turns the puck over? Speaking of Calder candidates, how ironic that Michkov has fewer giveaways than both Celebrini and Hutson.

Celebrini 70 games 113 giveaways
Hutson 82 games 109 giveaways
Michkov 80 games 82 giveaways

You can tell these bozos pushing the "Michkov is a mess defensively" narrative dont actually watch him play. He was fine defensively all season, especially for a rookie. They just take the handful of examples of Michkov taking calculated risks leaving the zone early that didnt work out and extrapolate that into a judgement on his entire game. What I saw from Michkov most of his rookie season was a winger that works to get the puck back when his team doesnt have it.

 

[Fatass]

Turns the puck over? Speaking of Calder candidates, how ironic that Michkov has fewer giveaways than both Celebrini and Hutson.

Celebrini 70 games 113 giveaways
Hutson 82 games 109 giveaways
Michkov 80 games 82 giveaways

Michkov played for Torts. I think even though that experience limited Michkov’s offence it did develop his responsible puck possession.