RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 6

[Fatass]

Can’t teach this kind of hockey iq. I like how Schneider points out players (Kane for one) with super high hockey IQ’s look like they’re cheating when actually they’re just so smart they’re way ahead of the play. It’s not cheating; it’s being super smart.
Michkov has extremely rare hockey iq. Love to see him playing with smart players.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It's official. He's the best.

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All situations p/60 is not really a fair comparison when he has gotten proportionally more PP mins than a lot of the other names on this list.

That's not to say he hasn't been excellent, but this is a terrible way of comparing players.

 

[Fantomas]

All situations p/60 is not really a fair comparison when he has gotten proportionally more PP mins than a lot of the other names on this list.

That's not to say he hasn't been excellent, but this is a terrible way of comparing players.

Eh, just a fun stat. Nothing to take serious.

 

[Kshahdoo]

All situations p/60 is not really a fair comparison when he has gotten proportionally more PP mins than a lot of the other names on this list.

That's not to say he hasn't been excellent, but this is a terrible way of comparing players.

Flyers' PP doesn't exist so it's pretty fair.

 

[Guess]

Can’t teach this kind of hockey iq. I like how Schneider points out players (Kane for one) with super high hockey IQ’s look like they’re cheating when actually they’re just so smart they’re way ahead of the play. It’s not cheating; it’s being super smart.
Michkov has extremely rare hockey iq. Love to see him playing with smart players.

He's also extremely immature.

It will be interesting to see how good he becomes when he can harness his competitiveness in a good way.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He's also extremely immature.

It will be interesting to see how good he becomes when he can harness his competitiveness in a good way.

Any proofs?

 

[NatusVincere]

All situations p/60 is not really a fair comparison when he has gotten proportionally more PP mins than a lot of the other names on this list.

That's not to say he hasn't been excellent, but this is a terrible way of comparing players.

Badard 24 (EV TOI/GP 16.24 / 3.22 PP TOI/GP) and 25 (EV 17.34 / 2.36 PP), Celebrini 25 (EV 16.26 / 3.16 PP), Slaf 24 (EV 14.59 / PP 2.57) and 25 (EV 14.13 / PP 3.06) and Michkov 25 (EV 13.42 / PP 2.48). Michkov had proportionally more PP time. But that doesnt take away the fact that he nevertheless scored more in less time at EV. Slaf is doing way less with almost the same usage.

Michkov having only 15 PPP (6 less than Celebrini, 10 less than Hutson) but leading all rookies comfortable in EVP wasnt a thing most would have bet on at season start.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Badard 24 (EV TOI/GP 16.24 / 3.22 PP TOI/GP) and 25 (EV 17.34 / 2.36 PP), Celebrini 25 (EV 16.26 / 3.16 PP), Slaf 24 (EV 14.59 / PP 2.57) and 25 (EV 14.13 / PP 3.06) and Michkov 25 (EV 13.42 / PP 2.48). Michkov had proportionally more PP time. But that doesnt take away the fact that he nevertheless scored more in less time at EV. Slaf is doing way less with almost the same usage.

Michkov having only 15 PPP (6 less than Celebrini, 10 less than Hutson) but leading all rookies comfortable in EVP wasnt a thing most would have bet on at season start.

Yeah I didn't bring it up to take anything away from MM, just to highlight that all situations p60 is a severely flawed metric.

5v5 p60 is better though discounts skill on the PP. But he's lapping his peers there:

Michkov 2.40
Celebrini 1.96
Smith 1.90
Bedard 1.52

He's 6th highest in that metric since 2020 (>40gp) behind Bunting, Boldy, Robertson, Kaprizov, Dorofeyev.

I think it's the best rookie D+2 5v5 p/60 in that span. Impressive for sure.

Going back to 2015-16, only McDavid (2.74) and Pettersson (2.41) had higher 5v5 scoring rates as rookies before their D+3 seasons.

 

[BMann]

He's also extremely immature.

It will be interesting to see how good he becomes when he can harness his competitiveness in a good way.

Are you a personal friend ? Or the team psychologist that you make such a confident assertion. What you really mean is I think he's extremely immature based on some gossip & your own personal opinion.

 

[FlyguyOX]

All situations p/60 is not really a fair comparison when he has gotten proportionally more PP mins than a lot of the other names on this list.

That's not to say he hasn't been excellent, but this is a terrible way of comparing players.

Strongly disagree. More minutes is more minutes to allow scoring. They all get PP1.

 

[FlyguyOX]

He's also extremely immature.

It will be interesting to see how good he becomes when he can harness his competitiveness in a good way.

Proof?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Strongly disagree. More minutes is more minutes to allow scoring. They all get PP1.

But he gets proportionally more, which puts extra weight on his PP scoring.

If he only played PP he'd have even higher p/60.

 

[SomeDude]

I feel like I’m reading Ovechkin’s prospect thread circa 2005. The same nitpicky things were said. immaturity, defense, zone starts, pp time, blah blah. History is a circle.

If he’s scoring, he’s doing his job. The rest will fall in place.

 

[Ezpz]

I feel like I’m reading Ovechkin’s prospect thread circa 2005. The same nitpicky things were said. immaturity, defense, zone starts, pp time, blah blah. History is a circle.

If he’s scoring, he’s doing his job. The rest will fall in place.

Ovechkin put up 50 goals and 106 points in the lowest scoring era in league history as a rookie though.

Michkov's good but not the generational player he was hyped to be.

Philly just need to do what Tampa does with Kucherov and let Michkov ignore defense all game. Find someone to babysit him at ES and let him rip.

 

[SomeDude]

Ovechkin put up 50 goals and 106 points in the lowest scoring era in league history as a rookie though.

Michkov's good but not the generational player he was hyped to be.

Philly just need to do what Tampa does with Kucherov and let Michkov ignore defense all game. Find someone to babysit him at ES and let him rip.

I wasn’t comparing the players saying they were the same level. They are the same type. I’ve said it many times in this thread, those that seem worried about Michkov’s defensive game or how many of his points are on the PP have already lost the plot and are just grasping for reasons to tear him down.

Nobody criticizes young stay at home d-men for not scoring. It’s not their job just like it’s not Michkov’s to be some two-way responsible forward.

 

[BackWithaVengeance]

Ovechkin put up 50 goals and 106 points in the lowest scoring era in league history as a rookie though.

Michkov's good but not the generational player he was hyped to be.

Philly just need to do what Tampa does with Kucherov and let Michkov ignore defense all game. Find someone to babysit him at ES and let him rip.

You may be right but let's talk again if the Flyers find their own "Backström" for Michkov. I wouldn't mind if this guy comes from the same country and is called Frondell.

 

[Aleena]

 

[Kshahdoo]

Ovechkin put up 50 goals and 106 points in the lowest scoring era in league history as a rookie though.

Michkov's good but not the generational player he was hyped to be.

Philly just need to do what Tampa does with Kucherov and let Michkov ignore defense all game. Find someone to babysit him at ES and let him rip.

It wasn't the lowest scoring era, they had 7 100 point players that season. Not sure the league will have as many this season. And I doubt anybody will outscore Thrnton (125 points) and Jagr (123 points). Of course McDavid and Kaprizov would be sure thing 100 point players if they played full season, but Spezza had 90 points in just 68 games, and Kovy had 98 points in 78 games back then.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Michkov was pretty bad Saturday against Montreal. After a good post-Tort boost in energy he seems to have faded a bit. He’s got a bright future though!

 

[Kshahdoo]

Michkov was pretty bad Saturday against Montreal. After a good post-Tort boost in energy he seems to have faded a bit. He’s got a bright future though!

He still could have scored a point or two, and that's the story of the season. He created tons of scoring chances for his teammates, but alas...

 

[Baksfamous112]

He still could have scored a point or two, and that's the story of the season. He created tons of scoring chances for his teammates, but alas...

No, he did not. He gave the puck a lot and got out muscled a few times as time. He didn’t create anything dangerous during that game.

 

[Nabrules]

Literally a year later and it’s still Montreal fans downgrading him in this thread, get a life and go watch your good team instead of obsessing over not taking Michkov.

 

[MNRube]

Literally a year later and it’s still Montreal fans downgrading him in this thread, get a life and go watch your good team instead of obsessing over not taking Michkov.

It’s the same two idiots that have been doing it all year. They are committed, I’ll give them that

 

[Baksfamous112]

So now we’re not allowed to say that Michkov had a bad game? Is that against HFBoards rules or does that apply only to Michkov’s threads?

 

[Guess]

Are you a personal friend ? Or the team psychologist that you make such a confident assertion. What you really mean is I think he's extremely immature based on some gossip & your own personal opinion.

Not really, just all the rumors we've heard plus him getting extremely ticked off that he missed an empty net hat trick, and playing around with a ref's whistle, I'm sure there's many more stories I haven't heard of. He's overly competitive in a way that's not always healthy and needs to learn to control himself.