RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[bert]

He's an average skater in terms of power and speed. His shot is good, but not like Bedard in terms of velocity and release, who looks like Joe Sakic on steroids. He is not strong. He is not a flashy stickandling or dangling wizard. Nothing about his game is overpowering or eye popping. What is his x-factor??

Whats Kucherov's X factor?

 

[Sasso09]

Can't it be both?

I mean, clearly, I'm a "troll" because of relatively minor disagreement about a prospect's playmaking prowess.

And two just goes without saying really...I'm the dumbest guy you know.

This isn't minor. You're focused on the one thing that's universally agreed upon. What makes Michkov the prospect is, is his generational IQ, everyone sees it but you apparently.

His tools aren't nearly as impressive at other top prospects, if his IQ wasn't elite he wouldn't be as successful as he's been. I don't want to call you dumb because clearly you put him into what you're doing and I've read some stuff you've said before that was very well thought out..I just don't understand your thought process on this Michkov IQ thing...

Like a previous comment asked of you, please list the prospects and current players you think have higher IQ. If Demidov is on that list then all my questions will be answered

From my viewings of him in the KHL and his early preseason games, he did not play the game the same way. Like you said, his shooting rates in the KHL were high in Sochi, but if you watched the rookie game, his preseason games versus the capitals, Islanders and the game where he scored 2 goals vs Boston, most of the offense that he created were setting up his teammates for good scoring chances.

Perhaps in Sochi he realized he was the biggest threat thus the skewed shooting. Almost every scout I listened to actually commented that there is a great playmaker hidden in Michkov, which at the time I was skeptical due to his statistics.

But the eye test at least from his early games, if you did not know who Michkov was and his track record, people would say he was primarily a playmaking winger and he really excelled at it. The philly powerplay looked completely different when he was on the ice. It looked like an actual NHL powerplay.

If you could take a deeper look at those 3 games, and evaluate, would be nice. Some philly fans even wanted him to shoot more before his 2 goal performance , because he barely shot the puck in the preseason. In 4 games, he has recorded 8 SOG. Cutter Gauthier had 12 SOG in one game, a renowned aggressive shooter.

Could be the case of rookie deferring to vets, but anyhow, I came away thinking, if he plays like this, it looks like 30-50 player in terms of goals/assist ratio.

Also, how do you explain his record setting points in every league/tourney he has played in?

He's an average skater in terms of power and speed. His shot is good, but not like Bedard in terms of velocity and release, who looks like Joe Sakic on steroids. He is not strong. He is not a flashy stickandling or dangling wizard. Nothing about his game is overpowering or eye popping. What is his x-factor??

Definitely average skater in terms of power and speed, excellent edge work and mechanics though.

His shot is pretty elite, no one has a shot like Bedard so that's unfair

His stick handling is excellent and he for sure is a wizard

He is very strong on the puck

But your point still stands, his IQ is his best attribute

 

[Siludin]

Whats Kucherov's X factor?

10

 

[SaSaShi]

Whats Kucherov's X factor?

intelligence

 

[majormajor]

Michkov isn’t real, a primary assist, on shot purposely to let Konecny get a tap in rebound hahaha, good god.

He had no play there other than firing it on net and hoping for a rebound. That's what most guys would do. You think it's unreal?

This kid does enough special stuff, we don't need to start fellating him over routine plays.

 

[Fatass]

intelligence

Exactly! Same as Michkov. The greatest players, all Cup winners, have beyond elite smarts.

 

[bert]

intelligence

Hmmm.... His puck control vision and shot are wild but yes thats it. Similar traits for these two players? Not saying Michkov is Kucherov but maybe kucherov light?

 

[Garbageyuk]

He had no play there other than firing it on net and hoping for a rebound. That's what most guys would do. You think it's unreal?

This kid does enough special stuff, we don't need to start fellating him over routine plays.

Lol, that’s been going on for months. You’re late to the party

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

How many times out of 10 should a player with an above average shot score with this much net in the clip I just posted?


Agreed, but Bedard is undoubtedly in another tier

Bédard shouldn’t have even won the Calder. Fabre got robbed.

 

[Michael Farkas]

This isn't minor. You're focused on the one thing that's universally agreed upon. What makes Michkov the prospect is, is his generational IQ, everyone sees it but you apparently.

His tools aren't nearly as impressive at other top prospects, if his IQ wasn't elite he wouldn't be as successful as he's been. I don't want to call you dumb because clearly you put him into what you're doing and I've read some stuff you've said before that was very well thought out..I just don't understand your thought process on this Michkov IQ thing...

Like a previous comment asked of you, please list the prospects and current players you think have higher IQ. If Demidov is on that list then all my questions will be answered

Ok, so I'm no longer a troll or a dunce? That was quick haha

Anyhow...I'm still not sure what this buzzword "generational IQ" is ("you wouldn't!") but the whole "everyone sees it but (me)" thing is an odd claim...

HockeyProspect, Hockey Sense = 7 (of 9)
"To start, Michkov’s playmaking isn’t at the same level as some of the other top end prospects in this class."

...
"
He’s a gifted shooter but we wouldn’t label him a dynamic or even exceptional playmaker. He struggles to recognize weakside options or the highest percentage option in transition when comparing him to the other star players available, and his leading passes and overall passing trajectory leave him on the outside looking in compared to the high-end playmakers in this class."

(For the record, I did not write that in full or in part)

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EliteProspects, Hockey Sense = 8, Passing = 7
Sportsnet, Hockey Sense = 7 (of 10) [they also called his explosivity an 8/10, so nevermind]
THN: " He was playing hero hockey and ignoring open passing opportunities and finding himself in bad spots. "

Team scouts gushed about his shot and scoring ability much more than his playmaking. One told me, (paraphrasing) "Kucherov, except Kucherov is a passer" - but he liked Michkov a lot, of course.

It's the "generational IQ" thing that's unique, right? And I'm not looking for anyone to strive for consensus. Consensus is for losers, so I don't say that to try to ad populum you into anything...but in exchange, I don't need to be handed that "everyone but you has always said, he's a boy genius!"

I'm not going to list every player and prospect that has a higher IQ...I listed quite a few back when I was asked.

I'm not sure what the beef is with Demidov in this thread? I guess there's a pissing match of sorts? I made a video for Demidov a couple months ago. I like him a lot...that might renew the application on my cone-shaped cap though...

Look, I'm not here to change your mind. I'll have the conversation if there's a conversation to be had...but my desire to try to trade "internet gotchas" is pretty fleeting haha