RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[FlyguyOX]

well, my team and 6 other teams

Only one teams fanbase is defensive about not taking him

 

[Garbageyuk]

“My team didn’t take him so they had a good reason and could not possibly be wrong”

The good reason was that they liked other players better. 6 teams liked other players better, to be exact. One of those teams took a Russian D with the exact same type of contract situation over Michkov, actually. But it must’ve been the horrible and xenophobic “Russian Factor” at work there too, right? Michkov must be from the wrong part of Russia for them I guess .

As for whether it was right or wrong, that remains to be seen.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

The good reason was that they liked other players better. 6 teams liked other players better, to be exact. One of those teams took a Russian D with the exact same type of contract situation over Michkov, actually. But it must’ve been the horrible and xenophobic “Russian Factor” at work there too, right? Michkov must be from the wrong part of Russia for them I guess .

As for whether it was right or wrong, that remains to be seen.

I mean it was 2 years instead of 3 , but that was certainly a bold pic . How’s he trending ? He seemed like more of a project whereas Michkov was likely capable of jumping right in if not for the 3 year ( the perception at the time ) wait. Some distinctions, but this is one of your better arguments so far .

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

If the draftees are considered in the same tier, then for sure clubs will select the D or C ahead of the winger. But Michkov was in a tier of his own. That class was Bedard and then Michkov and then the next group.

This 100%, many people haven't actually consistently watched him play in this thread. It's hard to believe how good he is if you just see what people are writing on HFboards. Guy has been playing chess against checker players for years, the guy just thinks the game a step ahead, a lot of people are going to be surprised next year. (I'd like your post but I got reported too much haha)

 

[Garbageyuk]

If the draftees are considered in the same tier, then for sure clubs will select the D or C ahead of the winger. But Michkov was in a tier of his own. That class was Bedard and then Michkov and then the next group.

This post is self-defeating and makes no sense. Michkov was “in a tier of his own” immediately after Bedard, but went 7th?

 

[Garbageyuk]

Why Michkov went 7th is a matter of public record. We heard plenty in the lead-up to his draft that the fears over his 3 year contract and the geopolitical situation were making him slip.

Ignoring that public record and insisting that it must have been something else is just being obtuse in order to imply that Michkov had some sort of other noteworthy deficiencies that would justify passing on him.

“A matter of public record”, as if every team that passed on him released a statement as to why they didn’t select him, making sure to clarify that it wasn’t his talent they were passing on . Mental gymnastics at their finest.

“…fears over his 3 year contract and the geopolitical situation were making him slip.”

Is that why ARZ selected a Russian D in the exact same geopolitical situation with the exact same type of contract situation over him?

Obtuse is pretending that the “Russian Factor” had anything at all to do with Michkov going 7th. Teams liked other guys more than him, end of story.

 

[Guadana]

And Lafraniere, in hindsight, was a mistake. Rags would have been better of with either Stutzle or Byfield.

Yeah. It works in other side too.

 

[Guadana]

“A matter of public record”, as if every team that passed on him released a statement as to why they didn’t select him, making sure to clarify that it wasn’t his talent they were passing on . Mental gymnastics at their finest.

“…fears over his 3 year contract and the geopolitical situation were making him slip.”

Is that why ARZ selected a Russian D in the exact same geopolitical situation with the exact same type of contract situation over him?

Obtuse is pretending that the “Russian Factor” had anything at all to do with Michkov going 7th. Teams liked other guys more than him, end of story.

Russian factor could have anything at all for Arizona in top 6. Its not like they made their first not so great pick, its not like it was the last.

Teams had reasons to not draft Rantanen high, Barzal high, Mihckov high etc. Not the first not, not the last.

 

[HighLifeManIsHigh]

Every time I click on this thread I’m expecting news or highlights. Instead, it’s just fans bickering over his draft position/Russia/Habs.

Neato

 

[Kshahdoo]

Every time I click on this thread I’m expecting news or highlights. Instead, it’s just fans bickering over his draft position/Russia/Habs.

Neato

News will start appearing in a few days. I hope Michkov is going to play vs Rangers rookies on September, 13th.

 

[FlyguyOX]

The good reason was that they liked other players better. 6 teams liked other players better, to be exact. One of those teams took a Russian D with the exact same type of contract situation over Michkov, actually. But it must’ve been the horrible and xenophobic “Russian Factor” at work there too, right? Michkov must be from the wrong part of Russia for them I guess .

As for whether it was right or wrong, that remains to be seen.

Ah, yes, the russian with character concerns. Funny how that never came up with Nathan Mackinnon despite he, too, being the ultimate competitor.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Only one teams fanbase is defensive about not taking him

No - Only one fanbase gets ridiculed for not taking him. The others gets a pass for whatever reason

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

No - Only one fanbase gets ridiculed for not taking him. The others gets a pass for whatever reason

This thread is also 150 pages less if habs arent involved , I guess being passionate is a crime!!



Have we all made up and kissed yet?

 

[Baksfamous112]

I mean it was 2 years instead of 3 , but that was certainly a bold pic . How’s he trending ? He seemed like more of a project whereas Michkov was likely capable of jumping right in if not for the 3 year ( the perception at the time ) wait. Some distinctions, but this is one of your better arguments so far .

He’s actually trending really really good.

The teams that are drafting these kids usually don’t take the better player now but rather the player they think will be better and will have a greater impact in 5 years +.

6 teams felt they were better off with C’s or D’s than a small skilled winger.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Ah, yes, the russian with character concerns. Funny how that never came up with Nathan Mackinnon despite he, too, being the ultimate competitor.

Want to point out where I said anything like that? Nice strawman argument.

 

[Redpath]

Listed at 5'10, 190 on the Flyers Rookie Camp roster.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Listed at 5'10, 190 on the Flyers Rookie Camp roster.

Yeah, it's probably about right. Short but bulky. Not as bulky as Kaprizov yet but close. And he's still just 19.

 

[Hockeypete49]

The kid is built like a brick shit house!

 

[ElLeetch]

I said “tend to” and “most things being equal.” And Lafraniere, in hindsight, was a mistake. Rags would have been better off with either Stutzle or Byfield.

Laf had a good season last year, and then a huge playoff. So far he's still ahead of Byfield, and while Tim is ahead of Laf, he will need to recover from last years down season (just 18 goals) to keep it that way.

 

[The Last Red]

Laf had a good season last year, and then a huge playoff. So far he's still ahead of Byfield, and while Tim is ahead of Laf, he will need to recover from last years down season (just 18 goals) to keep it that way.

They would have been better off with Stutzle or Byfield because both are centers.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Laf had a good season last year, and then a huge playoff. So far he's still ahead of Byfield, and while Tim is ahead of Laf, he will need to recover from last years down season (just 18 goals) to keep it that way.

It's notable that Laf's good season was still worse than Stutzle's bad season fighting through a wrist injury all year.

 

[Baksfamous112]

It's notable that Laf's good season was still worse than Stutzle's bad season fighting through a wrist injury all year.

That’s very debatable. Laf only really got going in December and he never got PP1 time.

Last year I seen him twice (live) after December and Stutzle once. He was noticeably better and was very dangerous every time he got on the ice (although no point in the first of those two games).

Give him PP1 time and he’s either a PPG or better last year.

 

[Fatass]

It's notable that Laf's good season was still worse than Stutzle's bad season fighting through a wrist injury all year.

Would Lafreniere be considered a guy who contributes even when not scoring where Stutzle isn’t?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Would Lafreniere be considered a guy who contributes even when not scoring where Stutzle isn’t?

Stutzle contributes more than Lafreniere when not scoring.

That’s very debatable. Laf only really got going in December and he never got PP1 time.

Last year I seen him twice (live) after December and Stutzle once. He was noticeably better and was very dangerous every time he got on the ice (although no point in the first of those two games).

Give him PP1 time and he’s either a PPG or better last year.

Laf had a great year but he's still the third best player on his line. Stutzle dropped 90 points in 78 games when he was healthy without a guy like panarin.

 

[Fatass]

Stutzle contributes more than Lafreniere when not scoring.

Laf had a great year but he's still the third best player on his line. Stutzle dropped 90 points in 78 games when he was healthy without a guy like panarin.

In what ways? Lafreniere plays a heavier, more aggressive game. I like Stutzle with the puck but not without it.