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RW Collin Graf (2021 undrafted; Signed by SJS)

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bigdog16 said:
Lol sure but the Jack Malones and Marshall Warrens aren't the reason BC and Michigan are in those games to begin with.
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Missed this one when it was posted. True. I left out Ethan Edwards, Case McCarthy, Eamon Powell and a bunch of upperclassmen who played key roles for their respective teams.
 
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Jersey Fan 12 said:
Missed this one when it was posted. True. I left out Ethan Edwards, Case McCarthy, Eamon Powell and a bunch of upperclassmen who played key roles for their respective teams.
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I'm not sure what your point is here. Two of those guys are 21 and McCarthy didn't play a "key" role for BU. He is a fine dman but certainly is not the reason why BU is where they are
 
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William H Bonney said:
Smart. Not enough college FAs choose destinations that maximize their opportunity. Most of them won't pan out regardless, but so many go to big market / good teams and then get buried.
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If you’re not an instant lineup guy, you should go somewhere with a weak prospect pool which is often a good team. If you are an instant lineup guy than picking a bad team makes more sense. I was surprised that Graf was getting rumored so heavily to Bruins since he’s the latter and not the former. Good fit for him in San Jose even if it feels like a top rope signing. Congrats Sharks fans. I love this kid’s game. I think every team would trade their second round pick for him.
 
Beniersgeron said:
Top 10 in points in AHL in his rookie season, have the Sharks gotten themself another Pavelski here?
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I wouldn't go that far, but there's a ton to like with Graf. I assumed he'd be another junior-style scorer when we signed him but he's actually quite effective defensively and on the forecheck as well as having NHL-quality offensive skill. Good skater with a strong motor. Needs to bulk up more, but I think he can become a good third liner on a good team.
 
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Juxtaposer said:
I wouldn't go that far, but there's a ton to like with Graf. I assumed he'd be another junior-style scorer when we signed him but he's actually quite effective defensively and on the forecheck as well as having NHL-quality offensive skill. Good skater with a strong motor. Needs to bulk up more, but I think he can become a good third liner on a good team.
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Last year I was a bit concerned about his speed but this year he has looked much much faster. I agree with most of this. Seems to be adjusting to pro-style hockey nicely.
 
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Kcoyote3 said:
Last year I was a bit concerned about his speed but this year he has looked much much faster. I agree with most of this. Seems to be adjusting to pro-style hockey nicely.
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He's definitely looked stronger and faster than what he was in the NHL at the end of last season, that's for sure.
 
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Beniersgeron said:
Leading AHL in points with 19 as a rookie... damn
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Small nitpick, but calling him a rookie is a little silly.

He’s 22 years old. Technically, he’s a rookie, but there are teenagers and 20 year olds that are also rookies.

Should just say he’s well over 1PPG. That says a lot more than comparing him to some 2024 draftee.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Small nitpick, but calling him a rookie is a little silly.

He’s 22 years old. Technically, he’s a rookie, but there are teenagers and 20 year olds that are also rookies.

Should just say he’s well over 1PPG. That says a lot more than comparing him to some 2024 draftee.
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How teenagers are playing in the AHL though?

Cagnoni is one but he will be 20 before the year is done.
 
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Kcoyote3 said:
Last year I was a bit concerned about his speed but this year he has looked much much faster. I agree with most of this. Seems to be adjusting to pro-style hockey nicely.
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I always felt lack of speed could be easily neutralized with great instincts and I think he has those.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Small nitpick, but calling him a rookie is a little silly.

He’s 22 years old. Technically, he’s a rookie, but there are teenagers and 20 year olds that are also rookies.

Should just say he’s well over 1PPG. That says a lot more than comparing him to some 2024 draftee.
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Sorry bro, I disagree, he is a rookie despite being 22 years old in AHL. This is his first season in the pro league if Im not misstaken? which is way better than Kaprizov and Panarin situation who won the Calder Trophy after playing years in KHL pro league. I know its tomatoe and potatoe comparison, but just wanna get it out there.
 
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Beniersgeron said:
Sorry bro, I disagree, he is a rookie despite being 22 years old in AHL. This is his first season in the pro league if Im not misstaken? which is way better than Kaprizov and Panarin situation who won the Calder Trophy after playing years in KHL pro league. I know its tomatoe and potatoe comparison, but just wanna get it out there.
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EXTRAS said:
Fair chance stankoven wins NHL calder trophy and Graf is only 4 months older than him. Don't think anyone would say stankoven isn't a rookie and this is his 2nd pro year....c'mon.
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We can't seriously be comparing NHL rookies with AHL rookies.

I think either way the age of a player when they are a rookie is a relevant factor into how impressive it is.
 
MS said:
I've never heard anyone ever have an issue with calling a 22 y/o AHLer from an NCAA background a 'rookie pro'.
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So you've never heard anyone having an issue with people calling a 26 year old a rookie in the NHL? Because that's essentially what it is. The AHL is a developmental league. He's somewhat old (not terribly, but getting there) for a guy that is a legitimate prospect that is likely to play NHL games.

As I said, it technically is true that he's a rookie pro, but framing it that way is a little misleading. That's why I suggest it lends more credence to what he's done by explaining what he's accomplishing compared to all, not trying to act like he's on a level playing field as a rookie with Konsta Helenius (nearly 4 years younger).
 
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