Russia can win World Cup in Toronto?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Russia can win World Cup in Toronto?

I am waiting for your opinion

Not a chance in hell, this team hasn't medaled in relevant competition at the professional level since 2002, Canada, Sweden , USA, Finald are all better and if you look at the talent team North America and team Europe have they are likely better too.

Not only will Russia NOT win they WILL NOT medal.

 

[Bear12Good]

Not a chance in hell, this team hasn't medaled in relevant competition at the professional level since 2002, Canada, Sweden , USA, Finald are all better and if you look at the talent team North America and team Europe have they are likely better too.

Not only will Russia NOT win they WILL NOT medal.

You are right 100%
At the Russian team is now worse than in 2002 and 06.10 and 14

 

[Scotty B]

Not a chance in hell, this team hasn't medaled in relevant competition at the professional level since 2002, Canada, Sweden , USA, Finald are all better and if you look at the talent team North America and team Europe have they are likely better too.

Not only will Russia NOT win they WILL NOT medal.

Tut tut...I'd put money on Russia, if given the right odds, aka if they get seriously downgraded below the likes of say, Suomi...

Hell yeah!

Look at their forwards. And they ain't exactly chop liver in goal either...

Right now, in terms of Best on Best results, Team Russia=Wounded Bear...Ignore it at your peril!

 

[Bear12Good]

Tut tut...I'd put money on Russia, if given the right odds, aka if they get seriously downgraded below the likes of say, Suomi...

Hell yeah!

Look at their forwards. And they ain't exactly chop liver in goal either...

Right now, in terms of Best on Best results, Team Russia=Wounded Bear...Ignore it at your peril!

Russia in 1998 did not play well on the top tournament

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Tut tut...I'd put money on Russia, if given the right odds, aka if they get seriously downgraded below the likes of say, Suomi...

Hell yeah!

Look at their forwards. And they ain't exactly chop liver in goal either...

Right now, in terms of Best on Best results, Team Russia=Wounded Bear...Ignore it at your peril!

Never said they were but until they win I see no reason to believe in them, Yes they have talent up front but they can't even come CLOSE to matching Canada up Front. , in net Price is better than ANYTHING they got, Sweden has Lundquivst who is better than ANYTHING they got, Ditto Rask AND Rinne in Finland and the USA might have a weaker starter but the depth is better BY FAR with Bishop, Quick and Schinder
Russia doesn't match up

 

[Scotty B]

Russia in 1998 did not play well on the top tournament

They did well in 98 OG, so so in SLC, great at WHC in Quebec City...Brutal otherwise, BUT the talent/potential was always there!

NOT SO the cohesion/coaching/game plan

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You are right 100%
At the Russian team is now worse than in 2002 and 06.10 and 14

Based on your ssmiley face at the end I assumeyou are being scarcastic but I stand by my statement they WILL NOT medal

 

[Bear12Good]

But let's compare attack Russia and Sweden and USA


Landeskog - Berglund - Zibanejad
Zetterberg - Bäckström - Forsberg
Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
Steen - Söderberg - Silfverberg
Rakell

VS
Zach Parise - Joe Pavelski - Patrick Kane
Max Pacioretty - Tyler Johnson - Phil Kessel
Bobby Ryan - Derek Stepan - Blake Wheeler
James van Riemsdyk - David Backes - Kyle Okposo
Paul Stastny

VS
Ovechkin - Kuznetsov -Tarasenko
Radulov-Anisimov-Panarin
Mozyakin- Malkin -Nichushkin
Kucherov-Datsyuk -Kovalchuk
Kulemin

 

[Scotty B]

... in net Price is better than ANYTHING they ( RUS ) got, Sweden has Lundquivst who is better than ANYTHING they got, Ditto Rask AND Rinne in Finland and the USA might have a weaker starter but the depth is better BY FAR with Bishop, Quick and Schinder
Russia doesn't match up

Even if u ignore Bob and Varly ( again NOT exactly chop liver ), the potential of that Vasilevsky kid is thru the roof imo! Man I loved him, since I first saw him as a WJC underager...

Russia looks strong in goal

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Even if u ignore Bob and Varly ( again NOT exactly chop liver ), the potential of that Vasilevsky kid is thru the roof imo! Man I loved him, since I first saw him as a WJC underager...

Russia looks strong in goal

Not ignoring them but they aren't at the level of the guys I mentioned they are top 10 NHL goalies but Price Pekka Rinne Rask Lundquivst those are top 5

And yes I only listed 4 because between Quick Schinder Bishop thats a HARD call

 

[Scotty B]

But let's compare attack Russia and Sweden and USA

Sure sure, AND while ur at it...compare their Team D + Tactics!

Man, with smthg like 10 guys from their OG team, team RUS was getting seriously schooled, for first 40 minutes at 2015 WHC, by US School-Boys + journeymen...

Yankee forwards were finding themselves all alone, in front of Russian goal, time and time again

Bobrovsky saved Russia's bacon!

Otherwise they get humiliated in semis, steada finals

 

[Ola]

I believe it when I see it...

Seriously though, balance will as always be a major issue.

 

[MaxV]

Talent on paper doesn't always guarantee results. And Russia's on paper talent has a chance to improve before the tournament as they have young players (Nichushkin, Yakupov, Orlov, Zadorov, Vasilevskiy, Marchenko and some others) that havent reached their ceilings yet. This could be a different team before the tournament.

I wouldn't say "they have no chance," sure they do. During a short tournament unexpected things can, and often times, do happen. Goaltenders can get hot, average players can step up their game, a number of factors can lead to upsets.

 

[Bear12Good]

Sure sure, AND while ur at it...compare their Team D + Tactics!

Man, with smthg like 10 guys from their OG team, team RUS was getting seriously schooled, for first 40 minutes at 2015 WHC, by US School-Boys + journeymen...

Yankee forwards were finding themselves all alone, in front of Russian goal, time and time again

Bobrovsky saved Russia's bacon!

Otherwise they get humiliated in semis, steada finals

Defender line from Russia weak spot has always been so
But Russia has attacked the good guys know how to score goals)

 

[Scotty B]

( Andy Murray + Ralph Kreuger ) Would be good choices, but Renney never really impressed me much as a coach. Adequate, but nothing great.

OK...Let me go WAY outside the box...and suggest Ted Nolan

He's a real charismatic guy + real creative thinker. Indeed his outside the box tactics ( when behind Team Latvija's bench ) very nearly discombobulated our TC juggernaut at Sochi.

Not a long term solution, BIT of a loose cannon ( tried to be circumspect here ). Still two bits says he could REALLY shake Team Russia out of its doldrums...kinda like when NITRO met GLYCERINE !

 

[Yakushev72]

So you are basically satisfied with russian position? Frankly I hate these statements as I hear it often here. Considering how is our infrastructure compare to Finland etc., its not that bad......Your hockey infrastructure has been probably worse than finnish for last 40 years. Sure you can blame it for not producing so many Ds (this is still more about methods not about infrastructure) and having smaller top depth. Nothing of this is the reason of russian failes on best of best.

I'm just reporting the facts as they exist. I wasn't necessarily striving to make a statement that people didn't "hate!" It's not about being satisfied, its about recognizing that "nothing in, nothing out" prevents any country from dominating in any sport.

 

[Yakushev72]

Keenan, as u seem to imply, is a megalomaniac imo, and would be a bad choice for team Russia. Look at the way he treated Stevie Y in one of the CC series. Look at what he did in St Louis.

If Russia were to give serious consideration to a Canuck coach, a Dave King type guy ( younger version ), very detail oriented, good x and o's guy, with plenty of international experience, calm, cool, collected, highly intelligent...AND NOT a me first headcase, would be the model...

Andy Murray maybe?

Or Tom Renney if he wasn't otherwise engaged?

Ralph Krueger ( ok not so calm/cool BUT a good game strategist especially on Big Ice )?

Just Spit Ball'in..

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IRON ( NA's version of Ivan the terrible ) MIKE...BIG NO!!!

So, in essence, you are saying that Russia has all the pieces in place to potentially dominate Canada and all other World competition, but the key piece missing is a Canadian coach? What would Mike Keenan or Andy Murray do to allow Russian defensemen like Medvedev to totally shut down Crosby, Seguin, Stamkos, and other high-scoring Canadian forwards?

 

[Scotty B]

So, in essence, you are saying that Russia has all the pieces in place to potentially dominate Canada and all other World competition, but the key piece missing is a Canadian coach? What would Mike Keenan or Andy Murray do to allow Russian defensemen like Medvedev to totally shut down Crosby, Seguin, Stamkos, and other high-scoring Canadian forwards?

I never said, nor even implied, that the key missing ingredient was a Canuck coach.

Everyone knows that Russia's main problem is their lack of top D-men, but TEAM D is also predicated, in no small part, on tactics/ coaching.

If you gave my postings anymore than a perfunctory glance, u'd know that I considered Keenan a terrible choice as coach. Moreover, I already said ( maybe not verbatim, too lazy to check ) that Russians would probably never accept a Canuck coach...BUT if, IF they did ....they could do a helluva lot worse than say an ANDY MURRAY or a Ralph Krueger.

IMO even Ted Nolan ( who would certainly be an intriguing choice ) would be a helluva lot better than what we've seen behind team Russia's bench in the main, bearing in mind their woeful Best on Best results + their chronic inability to make positive tactical adjustments on the fly

 

[JackSlater]

I never said, nor even implied, that the key missing ingredient was a Canuck coach.

Everyone knows that Russia's main problem is their lack of top D-men, but TEAM D is also predicated, in no small part, on tactics/ coaching.

If you gave my postings anymore than a perfunctory glance, u'd know that I considered Keenan a terrible choice as coach. Moreover, I already said ( maybe not verbatim, too lazy to check ) that Russians would probably never accept a Canuck coach...BUT if, IF they did ....they could do a helluva lot worse than say an ANDY MURRAY or a Ralph Krueger.

IMO even Ted Nolan ( who would certainly be an intriguing choice ) would be a helluva lot better than what we've seen behind team Russia's bench in the main, bearing in mind their woeful Best on Best results + their chronic inability to make positive tactical adjustments on the fly

I don't see why it would have to be a non-Russian coach. The Soviet teams were solid in terms of team defence, even when some of the defencemen were suspect defensively. Presumably there are still coaches in Russia who understand how to make a solid strategy.

Also, not that you said this, but Keenan... last time he was in the NHL he was a dinosaur. It's good for him that he's had some success in the KHL, where players are probably more willing to accept his coaching style, but his time has passed.

 

[Bear12Good]

I don't see why it would have to be a non-Russian coach. The Soviet teams were solid in terms of team defence, even when some of the defencemen were suspect defensively. Presumably there are still coaches in Russia who understand how to make a solid strategy.

Also, not that you said this, but Keenan... last time he was in the NHL he was a dinosaur. It's good for him that he's had some success in the KHL, where players are probably more willing to accept his coaching style, but his time has passed.

I think Zubov may be a good coach)

 

[Scotty B]

I don't see why it would have to be a non-Russian coach. The Soviet teams were solid in terms of team defence, even when some of the defencemen were suspect defensively. Presumably there are still coaches in Russia who understand how to make a solid strategy.

Well, as Mr Writer suggested, Bragin seems potentially a good future bench boss for their Nats. However, I was thinking more along the lines of a fusion of Russian and NA styles, as a partial fix for what ails them. A Canuck coach might preach what ( to orthodox ears ) seems like heresy ( adding a little dump and chase for example). A Russian ex-NHLer might do so also. A guy like Bragin, good as he may be, wouldn't likely change things to the same degree.

 

[Cane mutiny]

Any team can win...if luck and circumstance are on their side.

 

[xxxx]

But let's compare attack Russia and Sweden and USA


Landeskog - Berglund - Zibanejad
Zetterberg - Bäckström - Forsberg
Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
Steen - Söderberg - Silfverberg
Rakell

VS
Zach Parise - Joe Pavelski - Patrick Kane
Max Pacioretty - Tyler Johnson - Phil Kessel
Bobby Ryan - Derek Stepan - Blake Wheeler
James van Riemsdyk - David Backes - Kyle Okposo
Paul Stastny

VS
Ovechkin - Kuznetsov -Tarasenko
Radulov-Anisimov-Panarin
Mozyakin- Malkin -Nichushkin
Kucherov-Datsyuk -Kovalchuk
Kulemin

I think Russia has the edge in talent, but I think US and Sweden might have better overall players. btw you got me an idea for a poll! I'll make one because that could be interesting.

 

[Lataba76]

Underrated skills!

I think Russia are not to be able to master the underrated skills.
Hard working ,win fights on boards and intercept pucks are a problem for Russia
This are underrated skills that you must learn already in junior teams!
This is the reason why Russia has claim no medals in last 3 big tournaments despite of a plenty world class offense players.It is not an accident.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Any team can win...if luck and circumstance are on their side.

Not Russia