Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?

[SupremeTeam16]

Defensively the team has played well overall so even though they want to add a top 4 defender, they aren’t going to be rushed unless they feel like they need to move to land a guy who’s at the top of their list.

In net probably the most meaningful change they could make right now would be to change the goaltending coach. Any low to mid level option you could trade for is likely going to have the same trajectory that every goalie who comes under Schwartz tutelage has.

 

[CupofOil]

Like I said though, all reducing his special teams is going to do is see his PP production disappear. Playing 3 minutes of PP isn't going to make you too tired to play 16 minutes of 5v5 at full capacity.

And if that's the plan, why not actually target a player who provides most of their value at 5v5? Matheson is a guy who produces little offense and struggles defensively at 5v5. Pretty much his entire value right now is that he plays a ton of special teams.

And that's not even touching on how bad of a fit he is with Nurse. Matheson is an agent of chaos out there. He's athletic and all over the map. Nurse plays well with guys who are reliable and who keep things simple because he struggles to read and react. Watch any boneheaded play by Nurse last year and it will be preceded by Ceci doing something absolutely nonsensical right before it.

Matheson plays on a terrible team so of course his production at evens is going to be limited.

 

[Shanahanigans]

You've gotta be incredibly wary about adding players from bottom feeders, because somebody has to put up points. That's why it was smart for the Oilers to target Emberson, or NJ to target Kovacevic. You want players that win their minutes and drive play, not just put up garbage time points.

In terms of goaltending, I think that ship has sailed for now. That was an offseason move, but the Oilers spent too long not wrapping up other loose ends and hired a GM too late, so were scrambling. A guy like Stolarz has had great stats the last few seasons and could've been a great, cheap add, but prices go up in season.

 

[Jumptheshark]

the cost of this package would be substantially higher.

he really needs to factor in the price of THAT much retention on the deal and that skinner and a 1st might not get Monty the goalie --let alone the other pieces

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I'm shocked at how much people are ripping Mike Matheson. I mean guys are you for real? This is a top 4 guy. It's not like we'd be putting Corey Potter with Nurse. Matheson is a legit top 4 defender.

I'm shaking my head reading some of these comments


Then pack it up. Might as well end the season here. Didn't alot of you guys, including me, end the season last year in November?

There is a good chance they do pack up the season quick if Skinner pulls another 1st round showing like last year

 

[McDNicks17]

Matheson plays on a terrible team so of course his production at evens is going to be limited.

You willing to bet a 1st+ on that being the reason he’s never produced at 5v5?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Defensively the team has played well overall so even though they want to add a top 4 defender, they aren’t going to be rushed unless they feel like they need to move to land a guy who’s at the top of their list.

In net probably the most meaningful change they could make right now would be to change the goaltending coach. Any low to mid level option you could trade for is likely going to have the same trajectory that every goalie who comes under Schwartz tutelage has.

Pretty much this. They have had some absolute brainfart games or portion of games (End of Vegas/TO/FLA), but overall pretty good.

And yes, if you want to stick with Stu, fine, but make a goaltending coaching change.

There are no words to describe how lazy they are in regards to this. Schwartz must have diddy videos of people in this Org

 

[VeteranPresence]

Vancouver, a team one point below us with a game in hand, is not happy to rest on its laurels and seems to be at the center of every trade conversation involving a D. They've given up just three more goals than we have despite their starter being out most of the year and word is they're pushing to make a deal by the trade freeze on Thursday.

Meanwhile there are tumbleweeds rolling through Stan's cranium. You know it's bad when even the Canucks have more proactive management than we do.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Vancouver, a team one point below us with a game in hand, is not happy to rest on its laurels and seems to be at the center of every trade conversation involving a D. They've given up just three more goals than we have despite their starter being out most of the year and word is they're pushing to make a deal by the trade freeze.

Meanwhile there are tumbleweeds rolling through Stan's cranium. You know it's bad when even the Canucks have more proactive management than we do.

VAN will 99% make a top 4 Dman move before we do. Rutherford always made movies in PITT early to develop chemistry. Petterssen was interesting. He is week to week right now.

Watch them somehow get somebody good and unloading Vinny D and Hoglander

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Vancouver, a team one point below us with a game in hand, is not happy to rest on its laurels and seems to be at the center of every trade conversation involving a D. They've given up just three more goals than we have despite their starter being out most of the year and word is they're pushing to make a deal by the trade freeze on Thursday.

Meanwhile there are tumbleweeds rolling through Stan's cranium. You know it's bad when even the Canucks have more proactive management than we do.

I think Vancouver is more worried because their underlying numbers are not good and they're getting worse. You can pin most of Edmonton's worries on early season lack of finishing and poor goaltending, but Vancouver is a mid team that overachieved last year.

 

[oXo Cube]

I bet Buffalo and Vancouver are going to make a big move.

Just feels kinda inevitable that Buffalo is going to do something regrettable and Vancouver is a team in the opposite conference that is clearly open for business.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

You willing to bet a 1st+ on that being the reason he’s never produced at 5v5?

betting a first and a Stanley Cup on Mike Matheson would certainly be a choice.

We have limited assets and very limited cap space. We can make one relatively major move at the deadline for a guy with a 5ish mil cap hit. People really want to go all in on him? I don't get it.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Vancouver, a team one point below us with a game in hand, is not happy to rest on its laurels and seems to be at the center of every trade conversation involving a D. They've given up just three more goals than we have despite their starter being out most of the year and word is they're pushing to make a deal by the trade freeze on Thursday.

Meanwhile there are tumbleweeds rolling through Stan's cranium. You know it's bad when even the Canucks have more proactive management than we do.

Here comes the Stan sits around bs. It’s actually been the opposite, he has been making moves since he got the position. He got 3 important roster players for basically free and here you are whining about him not rushing a trade.

Making a move just to make a move isn’t good GMing.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Here comes the Stan sits around bs. It’s actually been the opposite, he has been making moves since he got the position. He got 3 important roster players for basically free and here you are whining about him not rushing a trade.

Making a move just to make a move isn’t good GMing.

Good post.

Bowman isn't a good GM in my opinion, but "just sitting around" has NEVER been his problem. If anything, he's TOO active and does TOO much when he decides that shit needs to happen.

 

[Spawn]

You willing to bet a 1st+ on that being the reason he’s never produced at 5v5?

The three seasons combined prior to this he was 33rd among d-men in 5v5 point production. It's inaccurate to say he's never produced at 5v5. Ceci is 72nd over that same span fwiw. Which isn't that much of a surprise. Ceci isn't offensively devoid of talent, he just wasn't very good at defending or transitioning the puck. Not sure Matheson is any better at defending. But he's definitely better at transitioning the puck up the ice.

I don't know I'd want to give up a 1st for him, but I think you're underselling him a bit.

 

[Spawn]

Here comes the Stan sits around bs. It’s actually been the opposite, he has been making moves since he got the position. He got 3 important roster players for basically free and here you are whining about him not rushing a trade.

Making a move just to make a move isn’t good GMing.

I think you're being pretty generous saying he's added three important roster players for free. He's added our 6th best d-man (while subtracting our #4 from the last number of years and choosing to let Broberg and Holloway leave), a waiver wire pickup in Kapanen and Podkolzin for a 4th. Both of whom have been given ample opportunity in our top 6 and both of whom are pacing for 30 points over an 82 game season.

Maybe I'm missing someone else? These three guys combined amount to barely more than roster fodder. I'll give you Podkolzin I guess. His play away from the puck and physicality has been a nice add.

 

[Louis Cypher]

I've been away. What happened to that big right shot defensemen we grabbed from Boston off waivers?

 

[McDNicks17]

The three seasons combined prior to this he was 33rd among d-men in 5v5 point production. It's inaccurate to say he's never produced at 5v5. Ceci is 72nd over that same span fwiw. Which isn't that much of a surprise. Ceci isn't offensively devoid of talent, he just wasn't very good at defending or transitioning the puck. Not sure Matheson is any better at defending. But he's definitely better at transitioning the puck up the ice.

I don't know I'd want to give up a 1st for him, but I think you're underselling him a bit.

Using the three years prior to this one kinda feels like that’s just for the sake of getting that career year outlier in there.

Over the past three seasons, he’s 51st in 5v5 scoring. 8 points ahead of Kulak. 10 ahead of Ceci.

Obviously I don’t mean he doesn’t produce at all. Just that it isn’t something he does well. Like Kulak and Ceci both produce about the same, but you wouldn’t use their 5v5 scoring as a selling point for them.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Here comes the Stan sits around bs. It’s actually been the opposite, he has been making moves since he got the position. He got 3 important roster players for basically free and here you are whining about him not rushing a trade.

Making a move just to make a move isn’t good GMing.

Sure, Podkolzin and Kapanen have been strong value adds, but neither addresses/addressed the key problems this team had coming into the year: a top four RHD and a goalie. Tinkering with the edges of the roster and/or parting with late picks isn't going to solve those issues, Bowman will need to actually do something of substance here.

That's where he has been gun shy and meanwhile other teams seem fine "rushing" into moves because they have eyes and can tell what their weaknesses are. Waiting until the deadline doesn't help when our division is a dogfight right now and the more we have to overplay McDrai to win games the less energy (and health) they will have heading into the playoffs.

 

[backhandsauce]

Anyone concerned with lack of toughness or push back?

Last game Jeff Skinner was absolutely leveled in front of the bench and no one gave a you know what.

I do not want a guy who only fights and plays 2 mins a game but would be up for a guy that can play and plays hard.

Does anyone else have any concerns?

Will Cuylle? Mathieu Olivier? Trent Frederic?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I think you're being pretty generous saying he's added three important roster players for free. He's added our 6th best d-man (while subtracting our #4 from the last number of years and choosing to let Broberg and Holloway leave), a waiver wire pickup in Kapanen and Podkolzin for a 4th. Both of whom have been given ample opportunity in our top 6 and both of whom are pacing for 30 points over an 82 game season.

Maybe I'm missing someone else? These three guys combined amount to barely more than roster fodder. I'll give you Podkolzin I guess. His play away from the puck and physicality has been a nice add.

Emberson is better than Ceci.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I think you're being pretty generous saying he's added three important roster players for free. He's added our 6th best d-man (while subtracting our #4 from the last number of years and choosing to let Broberg and Holloway leave), a waiver wire pickup in Kapanen and Podkolzin for a 4th. Both of whom have been given ample opportunity in our top 6 and both of whom are pacing for 30 points over an 82 game season.

Maybe I'm missing someone else? These three guys combined amount to barely more than roster fodder. I'll give you Podkolzin I guess. His play away from the puck and physicality has been a nice add.

Our #6 dman is still better than Ceci. He is also our PKing D. Grabbing a player like that while dumping useless cap is tidy work.

Podz is self explanatory.

Kapanen is okay and is probably out of the top 6 when arvidsson comes back but is he not contributing right now? I’ll admit saying Kapanen is an important player is a stretch.

The Broberg / Holloway situation is on the previous management. They have nothing to do with Bowman’s moves. The cap was already spent and bowman had to navigate that.

On pace is stupid. Hyman was “on pace” for 10 goals at one point.

 

[Soundwave]

I think you're being pretty generous saying he's added three important roster players for free. He's added our 6th best d-man (while subtracting our #4 from the last number of years and choosing to let Broberg and Holloway leave), a waiver wire pickup in Kapanen and Podkolzin for a 4th. Both of whom have been given ample opportunity in our top 6 and both of whom are pacing for 30 points over an 82 game season.

Maybe I'm missing someone else? These three guys combined amount to barely more than roster fodder. I'll give you Podkolzin I guess. His play away from the puck and physicality has been a nice add.

I mean Kapanen is pacing for 22 goals here right now, not saying he will maintain that pace (though he has had seasons where he's played at a similar rate) ... which isn't bad considering the cost was free.

He's not even old or washed up. Can still skate like the wind to boot.

 

[oXo Cube]

Anyone concerned with lack of toughness or push back?

Last game Jeff Skinner was absolutely leveled in front of the bench and no one gave a you know what.

I do not want a guy who only fights and plays 2 mins a game but would be up for a guy that can play and plays hard.

Does anyone else have any concerns?

Will Cuylle? Mathieu Olivier? Trent Frederic?

I'll probably get dogpiled for this take on here, but not really, no.

In fact the Oilers straight up lost the game against Florida because they stopped playing the actual sport to try and 'push back' in real time.