Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?

[K1984]

Not to mention Evander will need a ton of time to shake off the rust PLUS may not be as effective as before even in the best of cases. His surgeries were no joke and at his age it's an even bigger hill to climb. We're also pretty loaded on the wings right now so it will be tough for him to get ice time in situations where he's most effective (that is, with premier linemates).

I think if there's a deal out there to improve the team and Kane's cap is what makes it work, you have to look seriously at it. I especially don't want to have $5M in dead cap next year if he's healthy enough to play but not healthy enough to be the player he once was. We have to operate more like Vegas and not be afraid to cut bait on guys as they enter their twilight years. It's why they win.

I think it's a fairly safe bet to assume that Kane will likely be a better player when the injuries he's been playing with over the past two years are actually fixed.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Man prying Mattias Samuelsson out of Buffalo would be great. He would fit the top-4 for a while at a nice caphit.

He sucks and he's aways injured but most importantly he sucks.

 

[McHelpus]

Why is it a terrible idea? The oilers made it to the finals largely without him, and they are doing fine this year.

Can you imagine Kane playing against us after we trade him? He will beat everyone up lool

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Can you imagine Kane playing against us after we trade him? He will beat everyone up lool

He would be an absolute menace.

 

[Slats432]

I know other people from other boards like to suggest it isn't an absolute slam dunk McDavid re-signs with the Oilers. Sure, his buddy signed the max extension. Sure he loves all the guys and the fans. Sure the Oilers made his agent the boss. Sure they are close to a cup. Forget all that. This is the absolute signed sealed and delivered signal.

Lauren Kyle McDavid launches Oilers-themed clothing brand

Lauren Kyle McDavid, Connor McDavid's wife, has launched an Edmonton Oilers-themed clothing line.

edmonton.ctvnews.ca

 

[VeteranPresence]

I think it's a fairly safe bet to assume that Kane will likely be a better player when the injuries he's been playing with over the past two years are actually fixed.

If Kane was 28 I'd feel a lot better about the odds of that, but he's 33 and has seen his PPG decline each year:

2021-22: 0.9
2022-23: 0.68
2023-24: 0.57

Sure the injuries played a role but pretty much all players- especially power forwards- start to break down in their 30s. The idea that he might return to form is a tantalizing one but we need to be prepared for the possibility he's done as a top six forward and act accordingly before it's too late.

 

[K1984]

If Kane was 28 I'd feel a lot better about the odds of that, but he's 33 and has seen his PPG decline each year:

2021-22: 0.9
2022-23: 0.68
2023-24: 0.57

Sure the injuries played a role but pretty much all players- especially power forwards- start to break down in their 30s. The idea that he might return to form is a tantalizing one but we need to be prepared for the possibility he's done as a top six forward.

PPG isn't the right way to look at him IMO. He's a goal scorer and physical forward, and save for the back half of last year when he was injured he's still scoring goals and throwing hits. He's not going to be a guy that racks up a bunch of assists which is what usually fuels PPG, and never has.

It would be utterly insane to trade him this year, but we'll have a pretty good sample of him from Feb/March onward this year to see if it might be an idea for next year.

 

[FlameChampion]

No doubt. But I think the only reason that McLeod is a Sabre is because that offer blew the doors off. They would've found other ways to pinch pennies.

I think the other problem with McLeod is that once you need to resign him in a year, hes going to be in the 3+m range if you want to qualify him. At that point he doesnt have much value. I'd like to think McLeod is a bit more of a predictable player than Yamamoto or JP are but you're kind of in the same boat with him.

I am surprised though that Henrique has been as unproductive as he has been. I liked the player last year and I think his value to the team should improve as we go but it hasnt been a good season for him to date.

 

[K1984]

I think the other problem with McLeod is that once you need to resign him in a year, hes going to be in the 3+m range if you want to qualify him. At that point he doesnt have much value. I'd like to think McLeod is a bit more of a predictable player than Yamamoto or JP are but you're kind of in the same boat with him.

I am surprised though that Henrique has been as unproductive as he has been. I liked the player last year and I think his value to the team should improve as we go but it hasnt been a good season for him to date.

Bingo. You can already see the path of large QO -> bad contract -> buyout and/or let him walk so he signs cheap somewhere else emerging.

Short of him popping off this season (unlikely at any point), we dealt him while his value was at a rare peak.

 

[Arpeggio]

If Kane comes back in good shape, there will be a spot in the top six waiting for him. Could mean bumping Nuge back to centre which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Not sure where Kapanen and Podkolzin are going to find themselves in a couple of months, but I think it'd be a stretch to believe that line will stick all year. And if it does, maybe you end up with a Kane - Nuge - Arvidsson third line, with Jeff Skinner taking Nuge's spot on the first.

I think moving Kane this season would be a mistake.

 

[K1984]

If Kane comes back in good shape, there will be a spot in the top six waiting for him. Could mean bumping Nuge back to centre which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Not sure where Kapanen and Podkolzin are going to find themselves in a couple of months, but I think it'd be a stretch to believe that line will stick all year. And if it does, maybe you end up with a Kane - Nuge - Arvidsson third line, with Jeff Skinner taking Nuge's spot on the first.

I think moving Kane this season would be a mistake.

This is how I currently see the forwards post deadline:

RNH - McDavid - Hyman
Kane - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Skinner - Henrique - Kapanen
Janmark - New 4C - Brown/Perry/Podkolzin

Assuming everyone is healthy, I think it basically becomes a contest between Kapanen and Brown and Skinner and Podkolzin to see who earns the roster spot in the playoffs. Even at that, this assumes Perry is out, and right now I want him in the lineup. Ryan also totally unaccounted for.

You can only assume that a few of these players will be dispatched in trades at some point. If anything I'd rather carry 8 D and 12 forwards post deadline than 14F/7D creating more of a crunch.

 

[FlameChampion]

Will be interesting to see what Arviddson and Kane are like once they come back.

I think its going to be a tough recovery for Kane. I think people should temper their expectations. Hopefully his game is decent once playoffs come around and hes more effective than he was last year during the playoffs.

Was hopeful when we signed Arvidsson, but maybe pessimistic on my part - but my expectations are pretty low on him, at this point. I think it was a bad signing. Luckily was only 2 years.

 

[McTonyBrar]

 

[guymez]

Will be interesting to see what Arviddson and Kane are like once they come back.

I think its going to be a tough recovery for Kane. I think people should temper their expectations. Hopefully his game is decent once playoffs come around and hes more effective than he was last year during the playoffs.

Was hopeful when we signed Arvidsson, but maybe pessimistic on my part - but my expectations are pretty low on him, at this point. I think it was a bad signing. Luckily was only 2 years.

Considering how well the team is playing right now if Arvidsson and Kane can get up to speed by playoff time then just imagine how dominating that forward group could/would be.

 

[Fourier]

I think the other problem with McLeod is that once you need to resign him in a year, hes going to be in the 3+m range if you want to qualify him. At that point he doesnt have much value. I'd like to think McLeod is a bit more of a predictable player than Yamamoto or JP are but you're kind of in the same boat with him.

I am surprised though that Henrique has been as unproductive as he has been. I liked the player last year and I think his value to the team should improve as we go but it hasnt been a good season for him to date.

His QO will only be $2.1M. But that is not the issue. It is the threat of arbitration that makes your concerns valid. He could easily be looking at $3M+. If he scores 10-12 goals and has 30+ points you are looking at $3.5-4M as a possibility. That is a big risk for many teams making it hard to even trade him.

 

[TheNumber4]

It's really like the Sabres are just speed running our Decade of Darkness. So many similarities.

"The answer is in the room"

"We don't have palm trees and beaches"

 

[timekeep]

I know other people from other boards like to suggest it isn't an absolute slam dunk McDavid re-signs with the Oilers. Sure, his buddy signed the max extension. Sure he loves all the guys and the fans. Sure the Oilers made his agent the boss. Sure they are close to a cup. Forget all that. This is the absolute signed sealed and delivered signal.

Lauren Kyle McDavid launches Oilers-themed clothing brand

Lauren Kyle McDavid, Connor McDavid's wife, has launched an Edmonton Oilers-themed clothing line.

edmonton.ctvnews.ca

Or designed some clothes that limited editions and can charge $300+ before she is gone next year. But I do believe they will be back.

 

[TheNumber4]

RHD market blows.

Kesselring was huge loss.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I used to think that too because he broke into the league on the wing and I hadn’t paid him much attention till lately. But hes taken 50 more face offs than Ryan this year and 300 more than him last year at well over 50%. Took the third most faceoffs on the Preds last year. He is pretty clearly a center.

A 6’6” 230+ lbs center who plays on their PK, has 50 hits (would only be behind Podz here), and put up 12 goals and 22 points last year. He’s an upgrade over Ryan and Philp and fills the few things we are lacking on the forward group. Namely, he’s huge, tough to play against and can play.

When I watch his game I don't see the thought process of a center and what he brings to the table and what we'd want him for is his physical game/edge, being on the wing allows him to play more into it and not worry about getting caught deep.

There is more to being a center than being good on faceoffs and it's also not like we can't take advantage of him being good in the faceoff and then transition him back to wing after the faceoff, like when Nuge and Drai used to play together Drai took all the draws and Nuge would take the center defensive responsibilities.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

This is how losing teams continue to lose

 

[oXo Cube]

This is how losing teams continue to lose

Nah, losing teams continue to lose because they get frustrated and impatient so they trade 50 goal scorers to teams that go on to win the Cup for a draft pick.

The best thing Buffalo can do right now is absolutely nothing. When you're drowning other teams don't throw you lifelines they throw you anchors.

 

[Slats432]

Or designed some clothes that limited editions and can charge $300+ before she is gone next year. But I do believe they will be back.

You don't start a clothing company and leave in a year. That would be nuts. Also the franchise working closely with a business partner makes it a unique opportunity.

This is how losing teams continue to lose

They have made big trades before, and nothing seems to work there. Must be something in the water.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Terrible idea unless it's part of a big package for a significant asset imo. A fully healthy Evander Kane is a massive headache for opposing teams in the playoffs. I certainly wouldn't throw Kane out like a bunch of people want to for some reason.

I don't have plans on trading him this year, but he seems like a likely cap casualty in the offseason to follow.

Because the last time he was truly healthy for playoffs he was a top three player on the team. And he brings elements that our group lacks.
Versus Skinner and RV, who are basically the same type of player and have been made at least somewhat redundant by waiver wire pick ups and reclamation projects.

I think it is a bit too much wishful thinking to assume he will return to top form, he hasn't been truly healthy for 2 and 1/2 years, that's a significant chunk of time in a players career, he might never again play like the 30 year old Kane with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove.

Skinner and RV are fundamentally very different players, they may share the quality of being undersized top 6 wingers, but stylistically play the game as polar opposites from one another. While I appreciate what Podz and Kapanen have brought, Podz has never demonstrated the offensive outbursts of the other 2 and Kapanen has never consistently brought his A game.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Kane can completely change a series when he’s healthy. The exact player teams grab for a playoff run.

He should finally be healthy when he returns. A healthy Kane can be an absolute game changer.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

This is typically the last resort before big changes happen.