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Trafalgar Sadge Law

Trafalgar Sadge Law

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Tobias Kahun said:
McLeod was playing wuth Zucker and Greenway and they had a 19.3% on ice shooting%.

Thats inflating his stats pretty good.

Unless you think that lines going to continue at that pace.
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McLeod's possession metrics have actually taken a huge hit the past 10 games or so, likely due to the increased responsibility (he is currently leading all Sabres centers, including Tage Thompson, in quality of competition, while also being their lowest offensive zone start guy and their #1 penalty kill guy. He's a solid shutdown center but being overused by Buffalo right now, IMO. They're deploying him like peak Michael Peca or something over there.
 
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Trafalgar Sadge Law said:
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These were our forwards who played over 200 minutes ordered by xGF metrics from last season. McLeod pulled off some great numbers with 45.59% offensive zone starts (only Derek Ryan had a lower percentage of offensive zone starts) and very strong quality of competition (see chart below). HDCF and FF percentages look similar. Adam Henrique was an absolute disaster in possession while being one of the more sheltered players on the team with 55.29% offensive zone starts and slightly lower quality of competition than McLeod.
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Flash forward to this season and Henrique is again an absolute disaster in possession, somehow being outchanced across the board on arguably the best, at worst top 3, possession teams in the league. His defensive zone starts are quite low this year at 42.55%, only ahead of Derek Ryan, but now has basically 4th liner caliber quality of competition (and this makes sense, we can all see that the Oilers are sending McDavid and Draisaitl lines at the opponent's best players whenever we can). And if you watch carefully you'll notice that a lot of Henrique's defensive zone starts are because his line gets pinned in the defensive zone and ends up icing the puck, leading to extra defensive zone starts. He is not being used as a "shutdown" center at all the way McLeod was being used, and is in fact actually being actively deployed away from the opposing team's strong players, and still gets gapped at even strength. On a happier note. Podkolzin is putting up an absolute monster of a season in terms of underlying numbers. Valeri "better than Draisaitl" Nichushkin esque numbers in fact, to bring up an old Evolving Wild joke.
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Thanks for doing the work.

Do these numbers factor in Mcleod being saddled with Drai for half the season?
 
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Trafalgar Sadge Law said:
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These were our forwards who played over 200 minutes ordered by xGF metrics from last season. McLeod pulled off some great numbers with 45.59% offensive zone starts (only Derek Ryan had a lower percentage of offensive zone starts) and very strong quality of competition (see chart below). HDCF and FF percentages look similar. Adam Henrique was an absolute disaster in possession while being one of the more sheltered players on the team with 55.29% offensive zone starts and slightly lower quality of competition than McLeod.
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Flash forward to this season and Henrique is again an absolute disaster in possession, somehow being outchanced across the board on arguably the best, at worst top 3, possession teams in the league. His defensive zone starts are quite low this year at 42.55%, only ahead of Derek Ryan, but now has basically 4th liner caliber quality of competition (and this makes sense, we can all see that the Oilers are sending McDavid and Draisaitl lines at the opponent's best players whenever we can). And if you watch carefully you'll notice that a lot of Henrique's defensive zone starts are because his line gets pinned in the defensive zone and ends up icing the puck, leading to extra defensive zone starts. He is not being used as a "shutdown" center at all the way McLeod was being used, and is in fact actually being actively deployed away from the opposing team's strong players, and still gets gapped at even strength. On a happier note. Podkolzin is putting up an absolute monster of a season in terms of underlying numbers. Valeri "better than Draisaitl" Nichushkin esque numbers in fact, to bring up an old Evolving Wild joke.
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How much of McLeod's QoC came from playing with Draisaitl last year.
 
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TopShelfGloveSide said:
Thanks for doing the work.

Do these numbers factor in Mcleod being saddled with Drai for half the season?
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These numbers do include his play with Drai, but if you filter for McLeod's numbers with and without Draisaitl, his possession numbers actually go down a bit and defensive metrics go down by a lot with DRaisaitl. Which makes sense, since Draisaitl lines in past years are well known to be happy to trade high danger chances in both directions and come out on top because one of the lines has Leon Draisaitl and the other doesn't. McLeod tends to do significantly better defensively while centering his line, different roles ofc, but also doesn't get those sweet passes for them free goals as Draisaitl's winger.
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Tobias Kahun said:
How much of McLeod's QoC came from playing with Draisaitl last year.
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Quite a lot, about a quarter of his deployment vs elites. But as mentioned above, it doesn't actually change his possession metrics that much due to the higher chances against, it just results in more points for McLeod (and also some more goals against), he does best defensively when centering his own line.
 
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Jimmi McJenkins said:


Amazing, I love that the nucks, from the top down, are not over the reality they will never be as good lol
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Nice. I'm sure that that's meant to really aggravate and push the buttons of his own team more than anything else, but... Man. Feels good

I fully expect Knob or Coffey to throw that on the bulletin board, should get our boys fired up too. Ricky thinks you're lazy, boys. Go prove em wrong.
 
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Christmas Party Season. Maybe a RHD can get too wasted and have his contract terminated for us to pounce on. That's my Oilers Christmas Wish.
 
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iCanada said:
Any chance the Buffa10 Sabres trade Power?

Clouder must be having a blast.
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Saw one suggestion on their board, Power for Top 6 Center. And it got lots of likes.

But I very much doubt the Sabres do something like that.
 
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