Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?

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Their Front office also gets to play with 15% more effective cap space than us, and their front office also has the son of the VP of the NHL. No one wants to come out and say it and act like a sore loser, but I guarantee if you sat down and rewatched that series, you'd get the impression that we got completely f***ed by the Officials. Then you watch Maurice's pressers, and you can just hear him gaming the Refs and adjusting his team's play based on the officiating. But credit is due for that, if you aren't cheating you aren't trying to win. And Maurice has spent his whole career battling with Refs, and figuring out Refs in this League. A luxury of experience that Knoblauch has never had.


Even last year was too late. By that time the Ducks had already known that Dostal was good, and Gibson was already being floated as a possibility to be on the outs for that reason.

Yeah they have cap advantages but they made like 10+ different good moves to get that roster past the finish line, our front office is basically like "we signed Hyman and traded a bunch of stuff for Ekholm, give us a Cup already, who cares who's in net, ignore that".

They deserved it, they were the better front office. Our front office is lazy, slow, and quite often stupid.

 

[TheNumber4]

He still put up a 2.59 GAA and .910 save percentage in the LA series despite some garbage time goals in game 1 hurting his stats. His stats in each series:

vs. LA - 2.59 GAA, .910 SV%
vs. VAN - 3.17 GAA, .833 SV%
vs. DAL - 1.91 GAA, .922 SV%
vs. FLA - 2.33 GAA, .909%

Listen, I know Skinner is wildly inconsistent and was pretty bad this year up until the most recent stretch. That doesn't mean he wasn't good for us in the playoffs last year. This is now a league where the average GAA and save percentage hovers around 3.00 and .900. Putting up the numbers Skinner did in the playoffs against some of the league's best offensive teams was impressive. You can't really ask for more from a goalie at his pay grade.

If our offence didn't disappear in 3 of the 7 finals games we are Stanley Cup champions.

Looks like good enough goaltending to me. And 15 out of 16 wins pretty much confirms that.

 

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Looks like good enough goaltending to me. And 15 out of 16 wins pretty much confirms that.

Should just be the motto for our front office "looks good enough to me" is their attitude. Do the bare minimum possible and have McDavid have to do the rest by almost willing the team there and digging in deep to a superhuman level. f*** making it easy for him, like Crosby, MacKinnon, Eichel, Ovechkin got tons of run support in their Cup wins. Nope, can't have that.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yeah they have cap advantages but they made like 10+ different good moves to get that roster past the finish line, our front office is basically like "we signed Hyman and traded a bunch of stuff for Ekholm, give us a Cup already, who cares who's in net, ignore that".

They deserved it, they were the better front office. Our front office is lazy, slow, and quite often stupid.

Cap advantages and location advantages. Give us the same, and who knows how the tally looks for their good moves vs. our good moves. Those advantages are not insignificant.

 

[Soundwave]

Cap advantages and location advantages. Give us the same, and who knows how the tally looks for their good moves vs. our good moves. Those advantages are not insignificant.

Our management would still be stupid and slow so no.

I don't think Florida has a Cup if Holland or Jackson/Bowman are their management in the last 5 years.

They wouldn't have players like Verhage, Stolarz, Forsling and they would have gone to the grave with betting again on Hoobeydough and given him a fat contract extension instead of having the massive balls it took to cut bait and make a change.

They worked their ass off to get that Cup, I got no qualms with it from that perspective.

 

[TheNumber4]

Should just be the motto for our front office "looks good enough to me" is their attitude. Do the bare minimum possible and have McDavid have to do the rest by almost willing the team there and digging in deep to a superhuman level. f*** making it easy for him, like Crosby, MacKinnon, Eichel, Ovechkin got tons of run support in their Cup wins. Nope, can't have that.

With a Salary Cap, and a team with 2/3 Superstars you will also need to optimize and find efficient value throughout positions. Besides, you keep acting like there's a SURE BET out there when it comes to goaltending that the Oilers should have got. But WHO Is that guy? Are we trading Draisaitl to get Sheshterkin? No. We are just throwing up dice rolls to add to the dice rolls we already have in Net.

 

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With a Salary Cap, and a team with 2/3 Superstars you will also need to optimize and find efficient value throughout positions. Besides, you keep acting like there's a SURE BET out there when it comes to goaltending that the Oilers should have got. But WHO Is that guy? Are we trading Draisaitl to get Sheshterkin? No. We are just throwing up dice rolls to add to the dice rolls we already have in Net.

Usually for teams that spend less on goaltending it's a situation wherein they have outstanding depth in other areas.

We don't even have that! We spend our cap excess on stupid dead cap contracts and overpayments on players like Nurse, lol.

When the Avs won in 2022 with "lesser" goaltending they did so because they had a massively loaded roster everywhere else. Our front office isn't smart enough to do that, every good move made here comes with 1-2 bad moves.

Vegas went an extra mile to take a chance on Adin Hill ... again their front office deserved that Cup too. Great scouting at every component of the team (forwards, D, goaltending). They got him for what? A 4th round pick? That 4th round pick won them a Stanley Cup.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

They got blown out in one game, whoopity doo.

In the 2 games they won to get that 2-1 series lead, they had a whopping 3 goals total.

Talbot is absolutely the main reason they had a 2-1 series lead, with that level of goal scoring they could have been down 0-3 just like the Finals.

He was outstanding in the series clinching game too, .964 save percentage we won basically scoring 2 goals that game, McDavid added a nothing empty netter with one second left.

We have that Talbot in net and we win the Cup no questions asked last year and maybe even the prior year too. Team is too lazy to put in the work to find someone like that.

I want somebody to tandem with SKinner. For now, I have softened my "hate", but he has to be consistent. If we have that LA series goaltending you talk about, we have a cup.

I don't know if Pickard can hold up if we need help come playoff time.

Two solutions. Somehow get somebody to replace Pickard for a safety net (although he barely makes any money).

Go for a homerun (who is even available?) and trade SKinner.

Skinner has started to play well. It's the consistency

I would rather Skinner just hover around 905-910 lol than have these 944 games and then some 850 games.

I like that he started Pickard today. I know SKinner has been playing well, but he fatigues. Keep his confidence up going into the next game.

 

[TheNumber4]

Our management would still be stupid and slow so no.

I don't think Florida has a Cup if Holland or Jackson/Bowman are their management in the last 5 years.

They wouldn't have players like Verhage, Stolarz, Forsling and they would have gone to the grave with betting again on Hoobeydough and given him a fat contract extension instead of having the massive balls it took to cut bait and make a change.

They worked their ass off to get that Cup, I got no qualms with it from that perspective.

That's rated on the quality of their moves. You have alot more moves available if you have a 15% buffer on your cap compared to your competition. And a location where an issue like Broberg wanting out will NEVER come up. There's no doubt even with Florida's advantages they still made smart moves and proved to be a great front office.

But you are literally comparing the Oilers management to the Best Management in the League with the MOST advantages possible in the NHL to say that the Oilers management is Stupid. There's no way I would call the Oilers management Best in the league or even close to it, but they also aren't the stupidest in the League either. 15 out 16 wins with the disadvantages they have in this League means they did alot of things right too.

 

[Soundwave]

That's rated on the quality of their moves. You have alot more moves available if you have a 15% buffer on your cap compared to your competition. And a location where an issue like Broberg wanting out will NEVER come up. There's no doubt even with Florida's advantages they still made smart moves and proved to be a great front office.

But you are literally comparing the Oilers management to the Best Management in the League with the MOST advantages possible in the NHL to say that the Oilers management is Stupid. There's no way I would call the Oilers management Best in the league or even close to it, but they also aren't the stupidest in the League either. 15 out 16 wins with the disadvantages they have in this League means they did alot of things right too.

They're a mediocre management group that moves in slow motion and won't even try in net.

The fact is McDavid is so good he can almost overcome that, it's a testament to his greatness.

They have weather and tax advantages, but we have the greatest player in modern history of the game in his prime and by fluke another top 10 player in Draisaitl to start with too. The only other team in the modern history of the NHL to have similar advantages would be the Penguins post-2005 lockout and they have 3 Cups and 4 Finals to show for that.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Bob is a bit of a weird goalie, he is able to elevate his game to almost super human levels but then can have a stretch where he isn't great, but he has that upper end talent roof so when he is locked in, good luck. His roof is as high as any goalie in the modern league.

I still think he was the best player for the Panthers in the Finals, in all four games they won he absolutely killed us and you only have to win four.

He is 100% of the reason they won the cup. F*** Bob! lol

Ratchuk and co were barely noticeable. They just have a good solid all around team. Nobody on that team scares me the way McDrai can.

Can't watch any of the games again from that series. Hurts too much. Game 1 the prick just stoned us left and right. Few breakaways to start the game, etc. Too bad we couldn't finish.

 

[TheNumber4]

They're a mediocre management group that moves in slow motion.

The fact is McDavid is so good he can almost overcome that, it's a testament to his greatness.

They have weather and tax advantages, but we have the greatest player in modern history of the game in his prime and by fluke another top 10 player in Draisaitl to start with too. The only other team in the modern history of the NHL to have similar advantages would be the Penguins post-2005 lockout and they have 3 Cups and 4 Finals to show for that.

No ONE player can do it all. McDavid needed help, and we provided a bunch of it. Or did the Hyman signing, Ekholm trade, Kulak trade, Draisaitl drafting, Nuge extension, etc etc not happen?

Oh drafting Draisaitl is a fluke now? And what was Barkov? Amazing drafting and foresight by an Elite Management Group?

 

[Soundwave]

He is 100% of the reason they won the cup. F*** Bob! lol

Ratchuk and co were barely noticeable. They just have a good solid all around team. Nobody on that team scares me the way McDrai can.

Yeah he was Florida's best player even though he had 3 poor games in the series, Florida didn't have to pay because Skinner was generous enough and thought ahead to gift them 3 bad games to start the series with and a weak goal in game 7 to win the series on.

Super nice guy Stu, handing out the charity like Santa Claus at a daycare party.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yeah he was Florida's best player even though he had 3 poor games in the series, Florida didn't have to pay because Skinner was generous enough and thought ahead to gift them 3 bad games to start the series with and a weak goal in game 7 to win the series on.

Super nice guy Stu, handing out the charity like Santa Claus at a daycare party.

Super nice guy Bob, returning the favor and handing out the charity like Santa Claus at a daycare party.

 

[Soundwave]

No ONE player can do it all. McDavid needed help, and we provided a bunch of it. Or did the Hyman signing, Ekholm trade, Kulak trade, Draisaitl drafting, Nuge extension, etc etc not happen?

Oh drafting Draisaitl is a fluke now? And what was Barkov? Amazing drafting and foresight by an Elite Management Group?

They had Draisaitl and RNH already, every one of the management teams here already had those pieces on top of McDavid inherited since 2015.

Basically they've added 2 good players in Ekholm and Hyman after almost a decade of work, Kane was good for a year and just OK after getting injured.

10 years in they still can't find a single reliable goalie, still "need a top four DEEEEEE!" and struggle with depth scoring with no discernible reliable 2nd scoring line whatsoever.

The summer after making a Cup Final they completely blew it by walking Broberg and Holloway to offer sheets.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Yeah he was Florida's best player even though he had 3 poor games in the series, Florida didn't have to pay because Skinner was generous enough and thought ahead to gift them 3 bad games to start the series with and a weak goal in game 7 to win the series on.

Super nice guy Stu, handing out the charity like Santa Claus at a daycare party.

My biggest gripe is time now. The whole reason I gave up on Skinner as a diehard fan. He got thrown into a tough situation.

He has played better. I want to see that all year (even just above average 80% of the time). Not this hot and then completely cold. You cannot go completely cold come playoff time.

If this was a few years ago, I would have more patience from my couch. Time is running out.

 

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Super nice guy Bob, returning the favor and handing out the charity like Santa Claus at a daycare party.

Don't think it's charity when you're the goalie going home with the Cup and you're the one getting your name engraved in the Cup for eternity.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

They had Draisaitl and RNH already, every one of the management teams here already had those pieces on top of McDavid inherited since 2015.

Basically they've added 2 good players in Ekholm and Hyman after almost a decade of work, Kane was good for a year and just OK after getting injured.

10 years in they still can't find a single reliable goalie, still "need a top four DEEEEEE!" and struggle with depth scoring with no discernible reliable 2nd scoring line whatsoever.

The summer after making a Cup Final they completely blew it by walking Broberg and Holloway to offer sheets.

That Holloway non-match.

At first I was like f*** him. Now, horrendous that we gave him away for basically nothing. Has grit, speed, and skill.

 

[TheNumber4]

They had Draisaitl and RNH already, every one of the management teams here already had those pieces on top of McDavid inherited since 2015.

Basically they've added 2 good players in Ekholm and Hyman after almost a decade of work, Kane was good for a year and just OK after getting injured.

10 years in they still can't find a single reliable goalie, still "need a top four DEEEEEE!" and struggle with depth scoring with no discernible reliable 2nd scoring line whatsoever.

The summer after making a Cup Final they completely blew it by walking Broberg and Holloway to offer sheets.

And Florida had Barkov and Bob already.

2 GREAT players you mean. Many decent to good players were also added, it's why our DEPTH ended up outperforming the vaunted depths of the Nucks, and Stars that everyone was jacking off too before the series started.

You'd probably consider Stars management as top tier too. Funny they were scrambling to find a Top 4 RHD just like us as a finishing piece to the puzzle. They landed on f***in Matt Dumba55.

Many of these problems you mention about the Oilers to say they are worst in the League management, can be applied to management teams you'd circle jerk over too.

 

[CupofOil]

I think it’s negligent that the Oilers aren’t looking to find someone more suited to stepping in over Pickard, should Skinner falter again in the playoffs.

I agree on that. A Pickard upgrade should be on the shipping list, I just don't think it will be.

 

[TheNumber4]

Don't think it's charity when you're the goalie going home with the Cup and you're the one getting your name engraved in the Cup for eternity.

In the exact context you used it, yes 3 games below .900 is "charity". What a nice guy, Bob and Skinner should open a Salvation Army, equally charitable. Except one guy is even nicer, cause he's doing it at a 2.6M cap hit vs. a 10M cap hit.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Yet ironically enough still has a higher save percentage then skinner all while playing on the ducks......

Yeah, lets check back when Gibson gets up to Stu's 19 games when the sample size isn't so laughable

 

[Soundwave]

I agree on that. A Pickard upgrade should be on the shipping list, I just don't think it will be.

Wouldn't want to work too hard, Katz would need to pay them double to give a shit about the goaltending I guess.

Can't even be bothered with goaltending coaching let alone who plays the position.

Yeah, lets check back when Gibson gets up to Stu's 19 games when the sample size isn't so laughable

Again Skinner wouldn't even be in the NHL, he would wash out of the league like Ben Scrivens did if he was on the Ducks, so it's not a comparison one can make 1:1.

Skinner puts up mediocre numbers playing behind one of the best defensive structures in the NHL, Gibson plays behind one of the 2-3 worst defenses in the league.

Skinner maybe being a .905 here while Gibson is a .899 in Anaheim is not the flex you think it is. That's nothing to be proud of.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Wouldn't want to work too hard, Katz would need to pay them double to give a shit about the goaltending I guess.

Can't even be bothered with goaltending coaching let alone who plays the position.



Again Skinner wouldn't even be in the NHL, he would wash out of the league like Ben Scrivens did if he was on the Ducks, so it's not a comparison one can make 1:1.

Skinner puts up mediocre numbers playing behind one of the best defensive structures in the NHL, Gibson plays behind one of the 2-3 worst defenses in the league.

Skinner maybe being a .905 here while Gibson is a .899 in Anaheim is not the flex you think it is. That's nothing to be proud of.

Why are you pretending that the Ducks other goalies haven't been just fine for the past 5 years?

We can all see the stats.

 

[Fourier]

I agree on that. A Pickard upgrade should be on the shipping list, I just don't think it will be.

But who is that guy??? Pickard has actually been a pretty solid back-up over the last two years. At $1M I don't really see any typical back-up that you are going to get who is all that much better unless you are prepared to use all your cap space. In that case, improving your back-up will be your big move. Spending to upgrade your stater might make sense.

The only guys I can see who might fit both the cap and the upgrade goal who might be available are Lyon, Dostal, and Talbot. Of the three Dostal is the guy I'd have most confidence in but I alo think he would be by far the most expensive to get. He is also an RFA with arbitration and with his numbers this year he could be looking at a big raise next year.

Beyond those three you start ti get into guys with much higher cap hits. And I don't see a guy like Montembeault being traded with full retention unless the price is very high. So maybe you could get Vejmelka at 50% but he won't be cheap.