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Game 7 was a slog and neither team could get an inch. Panthers scored only 2 goals in game 7 and one of the goals was absolute ass.
So you are simply isolating that element of a 7 game series and seperating it from the totality of what I detailed in my post? For what purpose?
To support the argument that secondary scoring isnt an issue?
Is that your point?

Context matters so you have to look at the bigger picture to get a proper understanding of what the issues really are.
 
Bobrovsky was playing like the #1 goalie in world the first 2 games. The offense didn't show up, but it's like some posters refuse to give him credit.

Maybe in game 1 that is true... but we had 19 shots on goal in game 2.

The goal Ekholm scored was pretty weak... just checked the NHL.com and nothing Bob did (other than popping off his helmet) was even highlight worthy other than a poke check while McD was hooked on a breakaway.
 
We're not talking about the top 2 lines though...we are talking about the top line.
Knoblauch was playing MCDavid and Draisaitl together (especially in the series against Florida) and he did that a lot because the team doesnt have the depth to play them (as a default) on their own lines when they are chasing a game (or in that case) a series.

So we have to be clear on what it is we are talking about here.

If this team had legitimate depth then the need to play McDavid and Draisaitl on the same line wouldnt be a major factor like it is now.
If this team had legitimate depth then having McDavid and Draisaitl on seperate lines would be the go to strategy in every game because that would make this team much harder to defend.
When the opposing team has to play 2 sets of dmen and a minimum of 2 lines against the Oilers top 2 lines that is a much more difficult task and it relys on tehor team depth.

Teams that win the SC do so because they have legitimate depth in their lineup...on D and at forward.
He played them on the same line because Drai couldn't run his own line due to being severely injured, he could barely move in the latter half of the Dallas series and beyond so he needed to be sheltered.

I don't know why you're not acknowledging that the depth didn't score enough.

Here are the goals in that series from non-McDrai lines...
Game 3 - Broberg, Foegele, McLeod (and btw, McDrai had 0 goals and 3 points combined in the first 3 games)
Game 4 - Holloway scored twice, Janmark, Henrique, McLeod and Nurse all scored.
Game 5 - That was a McDavid game but Brown also scored and it was a big one to set the tone in that game
Game 6 - Henrique, Foegele, McLeod, Nurse
Game 7 - Janmark (only goal of the game)

That's a lot of depth guys on the scoresheet. The Oilers lost that series, and the Cup, because they got hardly anything from their top guys in the losses and they were outgoalied in a few of the games with Game 7 being the most notable one.

Even in the playoffs as a whole, Henrique had 4 goals, 7 points and was +3
Janmark had 4 goals, 8 points and was a +6
Brown had 2 goals, 6 points in 19 games and was a +4.
All huge parts of a historically good PK as well

McLeod was poor especially in the Florida series but he scored some goals, Holloway was good, Foegele was really good in the Florida series.

The depth did their part and were especially instrumental in the last two series.
 
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He played them on the same line because Drai couldn't run his own line due to being severely injured, he could barely move in the latter half of the Dallas series and beyond so he needed to be sheltered.

I don't know why you're not acknowledging that the depth didn't score enough.

Here are the goals in that series from non-McDrai lines...
Game 3 - Broberg, Foegele, McLeod (and btw, McDrai had 0 goals and 3 points combined in the first 3 games)
Game 4 - Holloway scored twice, Janmark, Henrique, McLeod and Nurse all scored.
Game 5 - That was a McDavid game but Brown also scored and it was a big one to set the tone in that game
Game 6 - Henrique, Foegele, McLeod, Nurse
Game 7 - Janmark (only goal of the game)

That's a lot of depth guys on the scoresheet. The Oilers lost that series, and the Cup, because they got hardly anything from their top guys in the losses and they were outgoalied in a few of the games with Game 7 being the most notable one.
So ypur cpontention is that the Draisaitl injury was the primary reason why Knoblauch played him with McDavid.
So how does that explain this season?

Also...I dont undertand your question above..."I don't know why you're not acknowledging that the depth didn't score enough."

My entire point is that the depth didnt score enough and I detailed exactly why that is true.

I think that its more accurate and more important to look at the playoffs as a whole but lets condense the playoffs down to just the final series then.

As I stated in a previous post...the Oilers scored 0.67 goals per game in the 3 losses in the SCF.
They gave up 1.67 goals per game in those games.

So your contention is that secondary scoring did not play a role in the team losing 43% of the games in the SCF?

Show me a team that won the SC by not being able to outscore 1.67 goals in 43% of the games in the SCF.
Especially a team built for offence like this team was and is.
You wont find it because that team doesnt exist.

Thats my point...this team has had inconsistent goaltending but it also had and still has a secondary scoring problem and quite hoinestly
I have no idea why you chose this hill to fight on because its a no win.
 
So ypur cpontention is that the Draisaitl injury was the primary reason why Knoblauch played him with McDavid.
So how does that explain this season?

Also...I dont undertand your question above..."I don't know why you're not acknowledging that the depth didn't score enough."

My entire point is that the depth didnt score enough and I detailed exactly why that is true.

I think that its more accurate and more important to look at the playoffs as a whole but lets condense the playoffs down to just the final series then.

As I stated in a previous post...the Oilers scored 0.67 goals per game in the 3 losses in the SCF.
They gave up 1.67 goals per game in those games.

So your contention is that secondary scoring did not play a role in the team losing 43% of the games in the SCF?
Yes, that's the main reason. Drai was getting torched when he was centering his own line because he could barely skate, he was a liability, which continued even on the McDavid line. You don't remember this? It was a huge talking point during the playoffs and obvious when watching him play.

My friend, I literally posted all the goals the depth scored. I don't know what else to say and why you're not understanding the facts laid out.
Just seems like we're going round and round and ending up in the same spot for some reason.
You said the depth didn't score enough and I showed literal facts of them scoring plenty so I'm not sure what else I can say to change your mind.

My contention is that the top guys disappeared in the games they lost in the finals which is the main reason they lost, and Skinner giving up a cream puff to Reinhart in Game 7. No team is winning SC finals games when your top 2 players score 1 point in 3 games. The only two goals scored in the 3 losses in Florida was Ekholm and Janmark.
 
Yes, that's the main reason. Drai was getting torched when he was centering his own line because he could barely skate, he was a liability, which continued even on the McDavid line. You don't remember this? It was a huge talking point during the playoffs and obvious when watching him play.

My friend, I literally posted all the goals the depth scored. I don't know what else to say and why you're not understanding the facts laid out.
Just seems like we're going round and round and ending up in the same spot for some reason.
You said the depth didn't score enough and I showed literal facts of them scoring plenty so I'm not sure what else I can say to change your mind.

My contention is that the top guys disappeared in the games they lost in the finals which is the main reason they lost, and Skinner giving up a cream puff to Reinhart.
You are ignoring my points. You keep misdirecting.

Its really simple...instead of misdirecting just counter what I have actually posted on the games they lost (and why they lost them) in the Florida series.
 
You are ignoring my points. You keep misdirecting.

Its really simple...instead of misdirecting just counter what I have actually posted on the games they lost in the Florida series.
I have no idea what you're arguing, honestly.

You said the depth didn't score enough, I showed you game by game of the depth scoring plenty, you asked me what I thought played the main role in them losing those games which I told you and around and around we go.
 
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To me, this is one where you swap Arvidsson for Strome (in the deal not straight across obviously)
Arvid for Strome would be a lateral move and we piss off Ekholm. Also been there done that. His best versions are behind him.

I wouldn't mind getting Karlsson now that we saw him paired with Ekholm.

Ekholm-Karlsson
Nurse-Bouchard
Kulak-Klingberg/Emberson
 
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So you are simply isolating that element of a 7 game series and seperating it from the totality of what I detailed in my post? For what purpose?
To support the argument that secondary scoring isnt an issue?
Is that your point?

Context matters so you have to look at the bigger picture to get a proper understanding of what the issues really are.
You emphasized game 7 and I’m just pointing out what game 7 was.
 
Arvid for Strome would be a lateral move and we piss off Ekholm. Also been there done that. His best versions are behind him.

I wouldn't mind getting Karlsson now that we saw him paired with Ekholm.

Ekholm-Karlsson
Nurse-Bouchard
Kulak-Klingberg/Emberson
So I disagree about the lateral. Strome can play center as RH forward, he's bigger and healthier, but I could see it grumpying up Ekholm

I'm also on board with Karlsson, it would make the team's top-4 VERY dynamic.
 
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Interesting, what website did you get this from?

He seems to be slowly going through all the teams.

A glossary would be nice though. I was bored trying to figure out his Puck Possession stat, but nothing on NST matches up with it. It must be a weird formula with possession metrics, zone starts, giveaways/takeaways, etc. all factored in or something because no individual stats work.
 
There are many reasons you can pin for why the Oilers lost to Florida, but blaming depth scoring for that series is certainly a take.

The depth scoring was utter trash in the first 3 rounds for sure but against the Panthers?
The depth scoring thing is right up there with the "old and slow" narrative.

Some people seem to want to just cling to a narrative for dear life for some reason despite it being so obviously false.
 
Holloway is playing all three position?
What a dumb comment. Outproducing was the word, not playing multiple positions. We need more from certain guys, need secondary scoring and not over playing our top guys in 24-25 mins on too many nights.
 
What a dumb comment. Outproducing was the word, not playing multiple positions. We need more from certain guys, need secondary scoring and not over playing our top guys in 24-25 mins on too many nights.
How's that out producing working out, the Blues challenging for the division? Holloway has done wonderful work in the position that he's in as part of the Blues. Good for him, I'm glad he's doing well. I would be great if he produced like that in Edmonton, he didn't so they signed veterans.

These are things that happened, you can't fix them by whining about "what ifs", ask Zach Parise.
 
How's that out producing working out, the Blues challenging for the division? Holloway has done wonderful work in the position that he's in as part of the Blues. Good for him, I'm glad he's doing well. I would be great if he produced like that in Edmonton, he didn't so they signed veterans.

These are things that happened, you can't fix them by whining about "what ifs", ask Zach Parise.
Expect more from certain players, not dwelling on the past. For 10 million on Rico, Arv, Skinner, not enough.
 
What a dumb comment. Outproducing was the word, not playing multiple positions. We need more from certain guys, need secondary scoring and not over playing our top guys in 24-25 mins on too many nights.
Holloway is their point producer. He's playing to maximize his points. Our guys are more role players. They're playing toward something bigger
 
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