Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[CanadasTeam99]

The management is pinning its entire organization on Skinner. Will McDavid re-sign if it’s a round 1 exit? How many years of McDrai do you want to pin on this goalie?

It’s absolutely embarrassing that incompetent management has prevented those two from winning multiple cups already

I am at the point that I hope 97 signs elsewhere if they don't try improving.

I am getting old. 40+. I can take time off from hockey. That's why I want them to go all in.

I am fine with a sh** EDM team for 6-10 years. Been there done that.

Hockey is great entertainment. It doesn't define my life. I am fine.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Do you think this goaltender can take us through 4 rounds without a record PK or Gretzky breaking records from the top 2?

We don't know what these guys think. I bet half don't give a f*** and love looking at their bank accounts with a ton of zeroes in it. I bet lots of players do.

The ones who REALLY care, I bet they want somebody that is more reliable.

I don't even get this defending of ANY player lol

How does that work? I am fine shitting on drai or McDavid here and there. They are all fair game.

But Stu> noooooooooo. We cannot do that. The last line of defense. It actually reminds of me of this new soft generation.

Ha. Lets just see the "common sense" that goes into defending or bashing Stu

Detroit. 2 goals go in off rebounds where their players pick up pucks point blank without obstruction.
Lyon has SEVERAL rebounds blocked by dmen. Nuge in particualr is stuffed on the goaline

This "fan base" blames Stu and sucks off Lyon despite Lyon actaully giving up way more goals if not for his D. But this "fanbase" sites shots on goal, not quality

What's even more hilarious and damning is Larkins goal. Stu is yet again blamed or criticized for not being good enough...which is down right comedy if ppl actually knew wtf they are talking about.

Stu played that goal to absolute perfection. Larkin came in on a half break from the right. He looked, aimed, TELEGRAPHED and SHOT far LEFT. Stu KICKED HIS PAD OUT LEFT. However..............our dman came in last second and reached in and poked the puck fivehole...from 1 ft away i may add


Now here's the million dollar question? How many ppl defended Stu on that goal? How many ppl blamed him for playing it improperly? But MOST IMPORTANT.......how many ppl defended him on actually playing it proper?

Like i said...fans and players have a COMPLETELY look on reality

 

[McFlyingV]

I agree. Pickard is a great insurance policy but they need a legitimate tandem option to pair with Skinner. Maybe Gibson is that guy but if he comes here it’ll be with sizeable retention and the Oilers won’t be giving up a ton for him.

If you can get him at 50% retention I think it should be a no brainer. Gives you 2 more years after this with a cheap duo. Maybe 1 if Skinner wants a big raise (he hasn't earned a contract over 3-4M max).

 

[Oilhawks]

I almost punched my windshield out when I heard Daniel Nugent-Bowman on Lowetide's show doing the same. Said he's not an elite goalie, but he's in the next tier of very good goalies. Compared Skinner to Crawford in Chicago (who was a good goalie, but not elite) and said that's how Stan Bowman views him. Crawford's numbers in Chicago are what Skinner's numbers should look like behind this Edmonton team if he was a good, but not elite goalie.

I just can't understand how Edmonton sports media tries so desperately to gas light the entire fan base claiming we're all wrong and Skinner is actually a really good goalie.

Ridiculous, DNB knows nothing

As @soothsayer said, Crawford was way better than Skinner

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Ha. Lets just see the "common sense" that goes into defending or bashing Stu

Detroit. 2 goals go in off rebounds where their players pick up pucks point blank without obstruction.
Lyon has SEVERAL rebounds blocked by dmen. Nuge in particualr is stuffed on the goaline

This "fan base" blames Stu and sucks off Lyon despite Lyon actaully giving up way more goals if not for his D. But this "fanbase" sites shots on goal, not quality

What's even more hilarious and damning is Larkins goal. Stu is yet again blamed or criticized for not being good enough...which is down right comedy if ppl actually knew wtf they are talking about.

Stu played that goal to absolute perfection. Larkin came in on a half break from the right. He looked, aimed, TELEGRAPHED and SHOT far LEFT. Stu KICKED HIS PAD OUT LEFT. However..............our dman came in last second and reached in and poked the puck fivehole...from 1 ft away i may add


Now here's the million dollar question? How many ppl defended Stu on that goal? How many ppl blamed him for playing it improperly? But MOST IMPORTANT.......how many ppl defended him on actually playing it proper?

Like i said...fans and players have a COMPLETELY look on reality

S-A-M-P_L-E S-I-Z-E

Sample size is the number of observations or individuals included in a study or experiment. It is the number of individuals, items, or data points selected from a larger population to represent it statistically

What in the holy hell are you even going on about ? lol

You are going on a tangent like your avatar. Bobby the Brain. He wasn't always the smartest cat though

 

[Jumptheshark]

How pathetic does your life have to be in order to rack up 5000 posts here in 6 months.

or 100k in 21 years

 

[CanadasTeam99]

or 100k in 21 years

See, he is a negative thinker.

How pathetic is ones life?

How GREAT is one's life that he/she can amass wealth and sit around their house and go on HF all day? Just sit on their computer, make a ton of $$, and just screw around on here.

That's when you know you lost the battle. Crapping on people's post counts...

 

[McTonyBrar]

I wonder if Ducks would be willing to put Ryan Strome on the market

 

[SupremeTeam16]

or 100k in 21 years

That’s not even half as bad. I at least have respect for your posting and longevity.

Not some donkey who’s been shunned or banned and floods back in with a new profile. Who’s such a loser they flood threads with trash posting, often doubling all other posters activity and just talking to themselves.

Thats pathetic.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

That’s not even half as bad. I at least have respect for your posting and longevity.

Not some donkey who’s been shunned or banned and floods back in with a new profile. Who’s such a loser they flood threads with trash posting, often doubling all other posters activity and just talking to themselves.

Thats pathetic.

So you don't like when people have opposing views to yours? Why don't you just name the poster.

Hey look, this dude has the same big mustache as Skinner and simps for him. What a coincidence.

Must be some mustache 1980's retro club I don't know about.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I have a moustache haha

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I have a moustache haha

I'm not hating on all mustaches brother lol.

 

[bobbythebrain]

S-A-M-P_L-E S-I-Z-E

Sample size is the number of observations or individuals included in a study or experiment. It is the number of individuals, items, or data points selected from a larger population to represent it statistically

What in the holy hell are you even going on about ? lol

You are going on a tangent like your avatar. Bobby the Brain. He wasn't always the smartest cat though

Hilarious you want to talk "sample size". There is a rather large sample size of Darnell screening the goalie w/ his tutor shooter stance that you blamed on Skinner. Or how about Boesers goal last playoff where he was side net an literally shot sweet spot between glove and pad, yet Darnell was flopping on the ice and deflected from 2ft away that it went top shelf, yet Skinner played the shot and then was blamed for not having a good glove hand to read the 1ft deflection

Trust me, there is a MASSIVE sample size when it comes to reality on how particular goals are actually scored vs expectation

Being "smart" or objective is definitely not one of them

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Hilarious you want to talk "sample size". There is a rather large sample size of Darnell screening the goalie w/ his tutor shooter stance that you blamed on Skinner. Or how about Boesers goal last playoff where he was side net an literally shot sweet spot between glove and pad, yet Darnell was flopping on the ice and deflected from 2ft away that it went top shelf, yet Skinner played the shot and then was blamed for not having a good glove hand to read the 1ft deflection

Trust me, there is a MASSIVE sample size when it comes to reality on how particular goals are actually scored vs expectation

Being "smart" or objective is definitely not one of them

1 - How many times did Darnell screen him? How many games?

2 - How many times did they leave a guy like Boeser (a great finisher) alone?

No brother. REALITY is when you assess a large sample size. Things always average out to the mean.

Hockey is very random. Some games you give up AAA chances. It's like life. You can try eating 5 big Macs a day. It won't last. You have to come back to the mean.

You are all over the place my man.

Can you actually explain to me what it is in Stuart Skinner that gives you a large vote of confidence? Is it his footwork? Puck Tracking? His lateral movement? Speed? What is it?

What is it, when all else fails (good d), that inspires you that this guy will save the day, most of the time.

 

[McDoused]

And this explains why Skinner is so good on HDSC?

That article didn't say anything about high danger scoring chances. It talked microstats and about how Gibson was weak at low slot line plays and broken plays.

IMO those metrics measure how good are the dmen at clearing the front of the net (which Edmonton does a much better job at than Anaheim) and not a situation where you can just pick a goalie from another team and place him on a new team with similar %s. The article basically says this.

 

[McDoused]

Ive been telling anyone who will listen that the goaltending for the Oilers hasn't been good enough. Having said that, I think we need to ease off him a little bit - it's not personal. We don't hate Skinner, we just have higher standards in a cup year.

I dont know why the media can't just be more open about it without being called haters. Why can't we just call a spade a spade? Goaltending hasnt been good enough. The more they defend Skinner the more it brings out angry fans and it just causes more friction and a divisive fan base.

No, the media will blame everyone but the goalies until they are eventually traded. Then they will crap on them until the cows come home.

 

[bobbythebrain]

1 - How many times did Darnell screen him? How many games?

2 - How many times did they leave a guy like Boeser (a great finisher) alone?

No brother. REALITY is when you assess a large sample size. Things always average out to the mean.

Hockey is very random. Some games you give up AAA chances. It's like life. You can try eating 5 big Macs a day. It won't last. You have to come back to the mean.

You are all over the place my man.

Can you actually explain to me what it is in Stuart Skinner that gives you a large vote of confidence? Is it his footwork? Puck Tracking? His lateral movement? Speed? What is it?

What is it, when all else fails (good d), that inspires you that this guy will save the day, most of the time.

Jebus Christmas dude. Have you never been in a GDT or a post game thread? It's like you're new here.

EVERY goal that goes in is STU's fault. Look no further than STL or DET. People bashing Gregs and our media for crediting him for those points vs bashing him like they want

My opinion is that Pickard needs the upgrade while not throwing Stu out w/ the bathwater this point in the season and after last playoff. To do so would be bad optics based on what they have been building these last few playoffs

It's not rocket appliances.

Oh, and as to question #1 . If you even have to ask clearly you're not that intouch with what was happening on the ice. Thank gawd for the new Darnell

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Jebus Christmas dude. Have you never been in a GDT or a post game thread? It's like you're new here.

EVERY goal that goes in is STU's fault. Look no further than STL or DET. People bashing Gregs and our media for crediting him for those points vs bashing him like they want

My opinion is that Pickard needs the upgrade while not throwing Stu out w/ the bathwater this point in the season and after last playoff. To do so would be bad optics based on what they have been building these last few playoffs

It's not rocket appliances.

This is where shitty managers come in. Worrying about this.

Optics mean d*** call in production.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

The team isn't fighting for a PO spot and is first in the div.. what aren't you comprehending here?

You really think half the roster despises Skinners efforts right now?

I’m going to say yes they do, because how many games over his last 10 starts has he given up 3 first period goals? The answer is 5. How many times were they down 3-0 or 4-0 in the first? That answer is 4. Two of those five games it happened against where he gave up 3 goals in the first was Colorado, who they could face in round 1. They fought back to win one of those games they were down 3-0 (Colorado) and lost the other three (Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Toronto). 40% of the time over the last 10 games he’s getting lit up in the first and putting the team in a big hole. That’s not starting goaltender numbers over any 10 game stretch anywhere in a season.

That can’t happen in the playoffs when teams tighten up defensively. The proof is in the pudding with his poor record and poor stats against higher ranked teams he’s not a good goalie. Nobody on that team is going to publicly call him out, unless JT Miller was an Oiler but they see what we see. They’re professional hockey players, they’re being professional but I’d guarantee there are text messages and private conversations amongst some players how they’d like better goaltending.

I see the Oilers goaltending as being very similar to the 05/06 team right now, pre-trade deadline. We saw what getting a better goalie can do to a team’s confidence.

 

[foshizzle]

I’m going to say yes they are, because how many games over his last 10 starts has he given up 3 first period goals? The answer is 5. How many times were they down 3-0 or 4-0 in the first? That answer is 4. Two of those five games it happened against where he gave up 3 goals in the first was Colorado, who they could face in round 1. They fought back to win one of those games they were down 3-0 (Colorado) and lost the other three (Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Toronto). 40% of the time over the last 10 games he’s getting lit up in the first and putting the team in a big hole. That’s not starting goaltender numbers over any 10 game stretch anywhere in a season.

That can’t happen in the playoffs when teams tighten up defensively. The proof is in the pudding with his poor record and poor stats against higher ranked teams he’s not a good goalie. Nobody on that team is going to publicly call him out, unless JT Miller was an Oiler but they see what we see. They’re professional hockey players, they’re being professional but I’d guarantee there are text messages and private conversations amongst some players how they’d like better goaltending.

I see the Oilers goaltending as being very similar to the 05/06 team right now, pre-trade deadline. We saw what getting a better goalie can do to a team’s confidence.

To add to your already great points- Skinner has a league worst .879 save % in the first period. If he carries that into the playoffs- they are done in 4

 

[SupremeTeam16]

If you can get him at 50% retention I think it should be a no brainer. Gives you 2 more years after this with a cheap duo. Maybe 1 if Skinner wants a big raise (he hasn't earned a contract over 3-4M max).

I think 50% is a bit of wishful thinking but if you can even get him with a cap hit in the 4-4.2 range without giving up much of anything that’s going to be an acceptable gamble. Puts your goaltending duo at 6-7 range for next year as well and gives you some leverage in Skinner negotiations with the option to deal him in 2026 if you can’t come to terms.

Gibson at 4 along with Dumoulin and pay a third party to take half of Dumoulin cap hit for a late pick. Leaves you enough assets and cap to pick up the O’Connor type up front they seem to be after.

 

[TheSuperElite]

That’s not even half as bad. I at least have respect for your posting and longevity.

Not some donkey who’s been shunned or banned and floods back in with a new profile. Who’s such a loser they flood threads with trash posting, often doubling all other posters activity and just talking to themselves.

Thats pathetic.

why subtweet behind a monitor

 

[McAsuno]

You still keep Skinner as the backup IF the team trades for Gibson/Vejmelka. Otherwise if either of those 2 get injured, this team would be even more f***ed with Pickard as the backup, pretty simple in that regard.

That being said, EDM’s goaltending remains in the bottom half of the league's worst while other metrics for this team have regularly been excellent or even elite in a year where they're also among the highest odds on the favourites to win the Stanley Cup after losing G7 last SCF. That's not GOOD ENOUGH.
The narrative that the Oilers don’t need to add another goalie because they’re apparently 'okay/comfortable' with the current two is pure laziness and simply a losers mentality. Winning organizations are never okay with just being “good or being comfortable enough." Especially an organization of the Oilers that has two of the best players in the world on the team. There has to be a higher standard when you have Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl on the team.

In regards to media hacks like Gregor, he's a f***ing condescending tool. “I don’t think Gibson's a clear upgrade” aka the same moron who had stupid past takes like Tanev wasn’t a clear upgrade on Ceci or Bouchard wouldn't replace Barrie on the PP. I personally DGAF about what certain style a goalie plays AS LONG as he can stop the puck from going into his net on a consistent basis. It's been too many times that the team has to chase the game after securing the lead or tying the game, and then our current duo decides to let the stinkiest of all stinkers go in and deflate not only the Oilers bench, but also the crowd as well. Then to top it off, they proceed to let more stinkers in which makes the hill to climb to win even more harder, especially with Skinner's ECHL level of goaltending when he keeps letting bad goals in after another. The mega excuses coming from the Oilers media lately (especially certain hacks like that Tyler Yaremchuk guy from Oilersnation) has been nothing but laziness fueling their lame ass agenda on why this team doesn't need another goalie is the definition of utter stupidity.
“John Gibson (who's only 31 right now) won’t age well.” Roli was 36 when we acquired him. Bobrovsky won the cup as a 35 year old. We had an old ass Mike Smith in net couple years ago also. WTF are these excuses, seriously?

It's pretty evident if your team is strong or elite everywhere in all metrics but has one major weakness (goaltending) you do what you can to address it.
Shore up the goaltending and get this team a proper f***ing goalie for once.

 

[McAsuno]

GSAx over the last 3 years, Skinner is at 7.1 GSAx, and Gibson is at -6.5 GSAx. Gibson has an upward trend, and is playing much better this year. Especially on a bad ducks team that have ranged 1st to 3rd in the league with only worst teams in the sharks and blackhawks as competition of getting more shots against from the opposition. Goaltending is voodoo, but I'd easily place a bet on a guy playing better on a worse team compared to a guy who's playing worst on an elite team any single given day.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

To add to your already great points- Skinner has a league worst .879 save % in the first period. If he carries that into the playoffs- they are done in 4

Teams must salivate seeing that. Having a line or two not ready to go for puck drop is one thing, having the goalie not ready is another.