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Where do we rank Skinner? Is he better than any of the other starting goalies currently in the playoffs? If you sort by save percentage he's last. So I don't really buy the whole "he's average" or "the league save% is going down" as an excuse.

Hellebuyck (.925)
Thompson (.921)
Vasilevskiy (.919)
Kuemper (.919)
Blackwood (.917)
Ullmark (.915)
Gustavsson (.915)
Andersen (.914)
Markstrom (.912)
Oettinger (.911)
Woll (.909)
Lyon (.905)
Lankinen (.905)
Bobrovsky (.902)
Hill (.900)
Skinner (.900)
 
@tardigrade81 is a good goalie but I don’t see any of you clowns lobbying for him to get a chance. 🙄
I'm framing this message in my bedroom and going to point to it next time me and my wife are having sex to establish dominance

My man!!!

I don’t think a prime Patty Roy would have had much better numbers with those Ducks teams under Eakins.


We like @tardigrade81 though, we don’t want to run him out of HFOil town. :laugh:
Lmao I appreciate that buddy! I would be sad if I couldn't get drunk and come on here and share when my wife turns me down.
 
I'm framing this message in my bedroom and going to point to it next time me and my wife are having sex to establish dominance

My man!!!


Lmao I appreciate that buddy! I would be sad if I couldn't get drunk and come on here and share when my wife turns me down.
I’m still convinced your wife and mine are related somehow.
 
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Hmmmm. I have seen movies start this way!!!
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Question

IS there a roster freeze for two week now?
 
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I still feel like Ingram makes the most sense.

He's been really good since coming back in January. 0.12 GSAA/60 and .920 SV% at 5v5. His numbers get beat up on the PK, but I find that's more systematic than individual play for goalies.

The main thing I like about him is he consistently puts up a good high danger SV%. He's tied for 12th best at 5v5 this year. Was 9th best last year.

He's having a poor season due to injuries, but as you said he has come back from that and started to play well again. Numbers for the previous two years are solid given he doesn't play on a good team.

If you're literally not going to do anything to help the goaltending, you might as well roll the dice on him, I can't imagine the cost would be high.
 
Another LIL Nugget on a Sunday evening

I did some digging in regards to Gibson and Stu vs top teams.

Gibson .963 vs Dallas (Stu was .870 vs them)
.900 in win against Winnipeg (Stu was .615)
Gibson had an .880 performance vs Washington (Stu had an .786)
Gibson's worst game was against Colorado with an .864 (last game Stu had a .750).

Gibson's most recent game? 42-save performance with a 955. vs Florida (How did Stu do against Florida this season? .786)


Where do we rank Skinner? Is he better than any of the other starting goalies currently in the playoffs? If you sort by save percentage he's last. So I don't really buy the whole "he's average" or "the league save% is going down" as an excuse.

Hellebuyck (.925)
Thompson (.921)
Vasilevskiy (.919)
Kuemper (.919)
Blackwood (.917)
Ullmark (.915)
Gustavsson (.915)
Andersen (.914)
Markstrom (.912)
Oettinger (.911)
Woll (.909)
Lyon (.905)
Lankinen (.905)
Bobrovsky (.902)
Hill (.900)
Skinner (.900)
lol. He might be be close to 2/3 if he plays at the top level......
 
Where do we rank Skinner? Is he better than any of the other starting goalies currently in the playoffs? If you sort by save percentage he's last. So I don't really buy the whole "he's average" or "the league save% is going down" as an excuse.

Hellebuyck (.925)
Thompson (.921)
Vasilevskiy (.919)
Kuemper (.919)
Blackwood (.917)
Ullmark (.915)
Gustavsson (.915)
Andersen (.914)
Markstrom (.912)
Oettinger (.911)
Woll (.909)
Lyon (.905)
Lankinen (.905)
Bobrovsky (.902)
Hill (.900)
Skinner (.900)

i actually do think hes fairly average vs the NHL but not among playoff teams. Most of those teams do have a different recipe that relies more heavily on goaltending. But I do think that in any given year where your team doesnt have mcdavid and draisaitl you're most likely going to need above average goaltending to make the playoffs, with 1 or 2 exceptions each year.

theres also usually a couple teams that wouldnt make the playoffs at all if not for elite goaltending.
 
Where do we rank Skinner? Is he better than any of the other starting goalies currently in the playoffs? If you sort by save percentage he's last. So I don't really buy the whole "he's average" or "the league save% is going down" as an excuse.

Hellebuyck (.925)
Thompson (.921)
Vasilevskiy (.919)
Kuemper (.919)
Blackwood (.917)
Ullmark (.915)
Gustavsson (.915)
Andersen (.914)
Markstrom (.912)
Oettinger (.911)
Woll (.909)
Lyon (.905)
Lankinen (.905)
Bobrovsky (.902)
Hill (.900)
Skinner (.900)
If Skinner played in SJ he'd be rocking an .870-.880 no doubt in my mind.
 
Gibson is a .925 in his last ten games. Skinner is an .896.

Gibson had a .955 and a .969 in his two most recent games, while Skinner was just pulled with a .750, had an .857 two games before that, and a .786 three games before that.

Gibson's worst performance this season was an .800 and he's only had four games under .870.

On the other hand, Skinner has had 13 games under .870 and five games under .800! That's at least 35% of his games where he performs poorly, and only 17% for Gibson.

Even when taking into account that Skinner has played in 14 more games, it's clear that Gibson has been a consistently better, steadier goaltender for his team; a team that gives up more high-danger chances and has a worse defense.
 
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I think we really do need another goalie if we wanna have a chance to win. Gibson sounds good to me.

I want a PK specialist center too. PK needs to be better and we can use the center depth.

As far as dmen go, if we trade for a guy I hope they’ve got an edge to them. You see how much they wanted Brown to work out, get a guy with some size and grit that can actually play, it’s important to have in the playoffs.

Team defense is pretty legit but there’s room for improvement. PK needs to be better and goaltending obviously isn’t up to par.

Maybe like Gibson, Evans and some rugged dman that’s capable of playing decent minutes.
 
Where do we rank Skinner? Is he better than any of the other starting goalies currently in the playoffs? If you sort by save percentage he's last. So I don't really buy the whole "he's average" or "the league save% is going down" as an excuse.

Hellebuyck (.925)
Thompson (.921)
Vasilevskiy (.919)
Kuemper (.919)
Blackwood (.917)
Ullmark (.915)
Gustavsson (.915)
Andersen (.914)
Markstrom (.912)
Oettinger (.911)
Woll (.909)
Lyon (.905)
Lankinen (.905)
Bobrovsky (.902)
Hill (.900)
Skinner (.900)
Well- if it’s Opposite Day he’s first
 
No such thing as “voodoo”. Goalies train and practice their position just like any other player. When GMs use that term, it’s just a euphemism for “I don’t know what the f*** I’m talking about”
Goalies are voodoo cause I've never met anyone on this board or media personality who can properly predict which goalies are going to rise, which are going to fall, which goalies is going to choke in the playoffs, and which one is going to come up clutch.

For example who called Adin HIll being an absolute playoff beast out of nowhere?
Who said we should keep Tim Thomas or for a more recent example Stolarz around cause they have big upside?
Who called Hellebuyck an easily top 3 goalie in the league choking in 2 straight playoffs?
Who called Cam Ward peaking at 21?
A huge chunk of this board wanted Kuemper in the past. Who called him sucking in both COL and WSH, but returning to form in LA?
Who said Logan Thompson is going to take the next step in WSH?
Who said Saros and Swayman and Demko will struggle this year?
Who called Shesterkin and Sorokin just being a little bit above average this season?
Just on Markstrom alone I think the consensus of the board flipped about 5 times.

Sure you can be knowledge about goaltending, make some inferences and knowledgeable guess work, but there is no ones opinion I trust when it comes to goaltending, the best of us is little better than Miss Cleo and the majority are hindsight Andy's pretending like they knew all along.
 
Goalies are voodoo cause I've never met anyone on this board or media personality who can properly predict which goalies are going to rise, which are going to fall, which goalies is going to choke in the playoffs, and which one is going to come up clutch.

For example who called Adin HIll being an absolute playoff beast out of nowhere?
Who said we should keep Tim Thomas or for a more recent example Stolarz around cause they have big upside?
Who called Hellebuyck an easily top 3 goalie in the league choking in 2 straight playoffs?
Who called Cam Ward peaking at 21?
A huge chunk of this board wanted Kuemper in the past. Who called him sucking in both COL and WSH, but returning to form in LA?
Who said Logan Thompson is going to take the next step in WSH?
Who said Saros and Swayman and Demko will struggle this year?
Who called Shesterkin and Sorokin just being a little bit above average this season?
Just on Markstrom alone I think the consensus of the board flipped about 5 times.

Sure you can be knowledge about goaltending, make some inferences and knowledgeable guess work, but there is no ones opinion I trust when it comes to goaltending, the best of us is little better than Miss Cleo and the majority are hindsight Andy's pretending like they knew all along.

This can be said about any position.

Who had "the Oilers will sign Viktor Arvidsson for 4 million dollars to play with Draisaitl and his numbers will be worse than Kailer Yamamoto" on their bingo card?

There's no guarantee anywhere unless you are trading for an elite player and even then there are question marks, see: who had Mikko Rantanen will be traded to Carolina and be producing poorly, less than Necas on their bingo card?

You do the best you can and do as much homework as you can pro scouting wise. We had no idea in 2006 that Dwayne Roloson would take us to a Cup Final exactly, I think at most the feeling was we were a team being held back by poor goaltending and now we had a fair shot. And sure enough, the team took off in the 1st round of the playoffs on Roloson's back and shocked the hockey world.

Things like Adin Hill aren't that impossible to see could have happened, his numbers were quite good on really bad teams. Vegas has a good d-corps, at some point it's like throwing a spark on a bunch of dynamite, eventually you'll get an explosion if you throw enough sparks.

Everything is a guess, what seperates good scouting departments from bad ones is you take a look at certain variables. We used to have incredible, elite pro scouting in the days of Glen Sather where he saw something in players like Doug Weight that no one else did, unfortunately those days are long since past and our scouting has been awful for decades at this point.

When you have a team weakness that is obvious, you do your best to fix it. If it doesn't work, then you try again. It isn't more complicated than that. Things like "well, how about we just whine and cry and pretend the roster issue is not a problem and it'll just go away on its own" is not a strategy.
 
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Posted this in another tread.

Skinner's numbers:

Against Current Top 10 Teams: 3-9-2, 0.863 Sv%, 3.36 GAA
Against Current Playoff Teams: 8-11-3, 0.882 Sv%, 3.00 GAA
(Pickard took the loss against the Avs, but I still tacked the loss to Skinner)

Rankings amongst 48 goalies with 20 GP.

GSAx - 35th, GSAx/60 - 35th.

Sv% - 29th, Sv%x - 35th

LDSA Sv% - 35th, LDSA Sv%x - 35th

MDSA Sv% - 36th, MDSA Sv%x - 36th

HDSA Sv% - 17th, HDSA Sv%x - 14th

The team is 1st in HDCA and pretty much top 5 in other defensive metrics.
 
This can be said about any position.

Who had "the Oilers will sign Viktor Arvidsson for 4 million dollars to play with Draisaitl and his numbers will be worse than Kailer Yamamoto" on their bingo card?

There's no guarantee anywhere unless you are trading for an elite player and even then there are question marks, see: who had Mikko Rantanen will be traded to Carolina and be producing poorly, less than Necas on their bingo card?

You do the best you can and do as much homework as you can pro scouting wise. We had no idea in 2006 that Dwayne Roloson would take us to a Cup Final exactly, I think at most the feeling was we were a team being held back by poor goaltending and now we had a fair shot. And sure enough, the team took off in the 1st round of the playoffs on Roloson's back and shocked the hockey world.

Things like Adin Hill aren't that impossible to see could have happened, his numbers were quite good on really bad teams. Vegas has a good d-corps, at some point it's like throwing a spark on a bunch of dynamite, eventually you'll get an explosion if you throw enough sparks.

Everything is a guess, what seperates good scouting departments from bad ones is you take a look at certain variables. We used to have incredible, elite pro scouting in the days of Glen Sather where he saw something in players like Doug Weight that no one else did, unfortunately those days are long since past and our scouting has been awful for decades at this point.

When you have a team weakness that is obvious, you do your best to fix it. If it doesn't work, then you try again. It isn't more complicated than that. Things like "well, how about we just whine and cry and pretend the roster issue is not a problem and it'll just go away on its own" is not a strategy.
None of these are good examples, to speak to the extreme variance of goaltenders one need go no further than Hellebuyck, pretty much everyone agrees he is a top 3 goalie in the league, it wasn't that long ago you were saying we should trade absolutely anything WPG wants to get him (I think excluding the big 2) and the second we get him it is a guaranteed Cup.

Fast forward:
+2022-23 playoffs Sv%= 0.886
+2023-24 playoffs Sv%= 0.864


That level of performance is the equivalent of one McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon (top 3 fwds in the league) playing at the level of Derek Ryan (and that's being ungenerous to Derek Ryan) and that's not in just one playoff, but 2 consecutive playoffs.

You can make the same comparison for Makar and Hughes playing to the level of Travis Dermott for 2 consecutive playoffs, its absolutely unthinkable.

Forwards and defense are far more predictable than goalies its just a simple reality, there average level of play has nowhere near the same level of variance, like any of the above forwards or D can have a bad playoffs, but their bad is not the equivalent of replacing them with a random ECHL player.
 
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I can’t see this. It would be an epic failure. Especially because the teams roster was set with holes for the sole reason of accruing cap space for the deadline.

I don’t mind trying the waiver wire guys and the reclamation projects. Because if they work out you still have that cap space to keep adding more.

But we still have most of the cap space. More needs to be added. Without some additions we can kiss the cup goodbye. I think Bowman is just keeping things quiet, like you said. Sitting on this roster would not be good enough and would be completely incompetent.
You may very well be right. Looking at this logically we have to use this cap space don't we?

I guess for me there just isn't enough discussion about this.
 

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