Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Back to the future with Kevin Weekes who thinks Oil need is "big and strong" while flinging out Klim Kostin and Big Unit Bjugstad as deadline targets. lol. Meanwhile Mike Rupp is pimping the summer speedy youth loss to find a wing footed forward.



Oil with a strong, deep and very good roster has the compass pointing in all directions with people projecting different complementary finishing help.

lolz. I mean I guess or whatever.

 

[Cloned]

What do people want Bowman to say?

“I’m looking for a top line winger, a fast forechecking forward, a goaltender and another defenseman.”

No GM is going to be that honest in an interview unless his name is Jim Rutherford.

 

[Paralyzer]

It’s Friday. What big trade is happening?



Hes the RD type I would target. I’d ship combinations of future first, Savioie, Akey etc for him if it was similar cost (bit higher is fine) to that of Ekholm

There's your big trade. Time to move on people.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Stecher is a puck mover, and he can burn any team that underestimates him. I could see adding a tough Dman as an extra, but realistically would they even be as good as Desharnais was? And Desharnais was scratched when the opposition got difficult. Ultimately the modern NHL is about puck moving and skating deep in the playoffs

I can see though, that our general lack of toughness will be a weakness. Apparently we were in on Drew O'Connor, and the early returns on him for Vancouver are good, which tells me that our management and pro scouting are good. That type of bottom sixer is what we need. I'm assuming our top six is set, with Kane as an addition there.

The Oilers really dont need a big swing, and shouldn't do a big swing. However that assumes Klingberg pans out.

We should hold off on any costly moves till the deadline. There's a lot in the air right now. We will need a little more clarity on Klingberg and Kane

You really think in a must win year that if we add a bottom 6 forward (which we have a glut of) that will be enough?

Why wouldn't we add a top 6 forward and push a player down to the bottom 6. Kill two birds with one stone kind of thing.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

What do people want Bowman to say?

“I’m looking for a top line winger, a fast forechecking forward, a goaltender and another defenseman.”

No GM is going to be that honest in an interview unless his name is Jim Rutherford.

We probably are panicking and overreacting here. Or maybe he is just trying to temper fans expectations? (that could be very well be possible)

While other teams upgrade if we get a bottom 6 forward and a #7 LHD don't we have to admit that is a pretty bad deadline?

 

[soothsayer]

There's your big trade. Time to move on people.

Oilers are always asleep when a big name is on the block. We could have used Future Considerations to round out our roster.

 

[McShogun99]

If Dobson is actually available there’s quite a few teams that could make a better offer then us to match the Islanders needs.

 

[Cloned]

We probably are panicking and overreacting here. Or maybe he is just trying to temper fans expectations? (that could be very well be possible)

While other teams upgrade if we get a bottom 6 forward and a #7 LHD don't we have to admit that is a pretty bad deadline?

Personally I think conjuring up a bad scenario to worry about now is a waste of time. There will be plenty to complain about once the deadline actually passes.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Personally I think conjuring up a bad scenario to worry about now is a waste of time. There will be plenty to complain about once the deadline actually passes.

Yup, we can judge after

 

[soothsayer]

If Dobson is actually available there’s quite a few teams that could make a better offer then us to match the Islanders needs.

Something around Elias Pettersson for Dobson actually makes a decent amount of sense to me. I think you're right. NYI is looking for a young scoring forward, and if they are looking to move Dobson, he's a guy who could probably return a legitimate star like Pettersson (not straight across though). The Oilers can't compete with that. But for Pulock, on the other hand . . .

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Zerotonine]

BOWMAN WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

Bowman is a face and name in title only. He isn't making any decisions lets be real.

No way a half passed GM doesn't see are biggest hole. Everyone in the fking league but are management see are weakness and no one is afraid to play us in a 7 game series knowing they can get win of they get to are tenders early in a series

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Will be are down fall of we run into the playoffs with Skinner/pickard again. IMO goaltending is the simple reason we are cupless in the mcdrai era

Im thinking Schwartz has way to much say and or pull. Adding a goaltender questions Schwartz amd his job. Dont think they want to bring attention to it yet everyone and there dog knows goaltending is edmontons elephant in the room

Realistically we've only been a competitive team for 2 years in the McDrai era, though charitably you could say 4.

In the ANA series (way back in 16/17) we actually had the goalie edge Talbot outdueled J. Gibson and I'd give their D the edge over ours. This is kind of ancient history though and I don't think informs our current decision making.

In the COL series while on paper we had statistically worse goaltending, I think it was fairly even we just couldn't push them to the breaking point of their defensive structure crumbling like they repeatedly did to us, their goalies looked very beatable. However there was a grand canyon sized gap in d-man quality, we were nowhere remotely close.

In the VGK series we got properly goalied there was a grand canyon sized gap in goalie performance. However they also had a big gap in d-quality over us, we were entirely reliant on special teams to stay competitive.

In the FLA series our goaltending while statistically better, I'll give them a marginal edge cause Bob was a touch better in the clutch and was 0.005 better in the playoffs as a whole. Again a fairly large gap in d quality.

In the 4 series that we lost where we were good enough to go deep, we got gapped in d-quality 4 times and in goaltending just once in an appreciable way. That isn't to say we didn't have weak goaltending in both years Skinner was our starter, but D is the actual recurring problem.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Bowman is a face and name in title only. He isn't making any decisions lets be real.

No way a half passed GM doesn't see are biggest hole. Everyone in the fking league but are management see are weakness and no one is afraid to play us in a 7 game series knowing they can get win of they get to are tenders early in a series

You expect the manager to come out and tell everyone his plans?

First trade deadline you’ve followed?

 

[jeffff]

Teams always trade someone because they're on an expiring contract, under preforming, can't afford to keep, trouble in the room etc. What about a young, solid, signed, player. A player that the team shouldn't even consider trading.....but does because the other team makes an offer they can't refuse. Can you guys think of any?

I'll give you an example.....Dylan Guenther. Utah has absolutely no business trading him, not one good reason. The only way would be for a gross overpayment. He's signed long term (which is going to look like a steal very soon). Born and raised here, sniper, smart, young, great kid!! He'd be a perennial 50 goal score playing next to McDrai for the next 10 years. I'd sure as hell rather over pay for him than say Rantanen at 12 plus.

 

[Canovin]

If Dobson is actually available there’s quite a few teams that could make a better offer then us to match the Islanders needs.

Not many teams are ready to part ways with 2x1st. For a bottom feeder that's 2 high picks. For a bubble team, Dobson doesn't put them on top with still a ton of holes to fill. The Oilers can part ways with 2x1st for Dobson and fill the minor holes with UFAs.

 

[K1984]

Teams always trade someone because they're on an expiring contract, under preforming, can't afford to keep, trouble in the room etc. What about a young, solid, signed, player. A player that the team shouldn't even consider trading.....but does because the other team makes an offer they can't refuse. Can you guys think of any?

I'll give you an example.....Dylan Guenther. Utah has absolutely no business trading him, not one good reason. The only way would be for a gross overpayment. He's signed long term (which is going to look like a steal very soon). Born and raised here, sniper, smart, young, great kid!! He'd be a perennial 50 goal score playing next to McDrai for the next 10 years. I'd sure as hell rather over pay for him than say Rantanen at 12 plus.

Problem is we don't have the assets to trade for Guenther unless we hand them 5+ 1st rounders or something crazy.

We're not going to trade them a player to help them now, we don't have sexy comparable young roster players or prospects to make a hockey deal, we don't have a 1st this year, and our future 1sts would probably effectively be valued as seconds in trades at the moment. It is probably borderline impossible for the Oilers to trade for a player with the profile of Guenther even if we really wanted to.

 

[Canovin]

Teams always trade someone because they're on an expiring contract, under preforming, can't afford to keep, trouble in the room etc. What about a young, solid, signed, player. A player that the team shouldn't even consider trading.....but does because the other team makes an offer they can't refuse. Can you guys think of any?

I'll give you an example.....Dylan Guenther. Utah has absolutely no business trading him, not one good reason. The only way would be for a gross overpayment. He's signed long term (which is going to look like a steal very soon). Born and raised here, sniper, smart, young, great kid!! He'd be a perennial 50 goal score playing next to McDrai for the next 10 years. I'd sure as hell rather over pay for him than say Rantanen at 12 plus.

You would pay the assets to acquire Guenther and also pay him 12M over signing Rantanen for 12M in the summer?

 

[jeffff]

Problem is we don't have the assets to trade for Guenther unless we hand them 5+ 1st rounders or something crazy.

We're not going to trade them a player to help them now, we don't have sexy comparable young roster players or prospects to make a hockey deal, we don't have a 1st this year, and our future 1sts would probably effectively be valued as seconds in trades at the moment. It is probably borderline impossible for the Oilers to trade for a player with the profile of Guenther even if we really wanted to.

I know...but I can't think of any team that went out and targeted a player that they acquired because of an over payment.

You would pay the assets to acquire Guenther and also pay him 12M over signing Rantanen for 12M in the summer?

He signed an 8 year deal at 7.1 starting next year.

 

[LTIR]

Rantanen not doing a ton in Carolina. Still adjusting and it's still early, but it does look like there's some method to the Avs madness.

He is just going to coast this season and then sign back with Avs next yr

 

[soothsayer]

He is just going to coast this season and then sign back with Avs next yr

I don't see how the Avs can do that. They have no cap space. Remember, they added over $8M to their cap in that trade.

 

[Canovin]

He is just going to coast this season and then sign back with Avs next yr

Internal cap

 

[LTIR]

I don't see how the Avs can do that. They have no cap space. Remember, they added over $8M to their cap in that trade.

They can trade Mittelstadt and Manson with no salary coming back.
If Rantanen wants to come back and make same/less than MacKinnon then Avs will make it happen

 

[Vagabond]

The weakest link by far is goaltending but I have a feeling that won't happen. As far as trades go, I'm not excited about it. Otherwise 'feelings' could get hurt if the Oil addressed weakness. That's the feeling I get. I hope I'm wrong tho.

 

[K1984]

They can trade Mittelstadt and Manson with no salary coming back.
If Rantanen wants to come back and make same/less than MacKinnon then Avs will make it happen

Mittelstadt - another stroke of genius by the Avs management crew.

Who wouldn't want to deal a controlled, young quality D man that is an RFA on his next deal for a mediocre, inconsistent borderline 2C about to be a UFA?

One might call that "proactive," but others might more accurately describe it as "panicked" because they couldn't address the black hole after the first line in advance.