Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[McHelpus]

So Rasmus Andersson is Ekholm D partner on the Swedish team. Hope Ekholm is doing his part in recruiting Andersson

Ratmus probably wants to go to Florida, they really love rats down there.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Wouldn't Soucy be cheaper both in terms of cost and AAV?

Rather Dumoulin than either of them.

 

[CupofOil]

I think that Chevaldayoff is the best trading GM in the league and I don't know if it's particularly close.

He's had to deal profile players that don't want to be there multiple times now and has still gotten full value even though everyone knows they want out.

He's the best Canadian team GM by a mile and has been for a decade and a top 5 GM leaguewide if not higher. Nobody got dealt a tougher hand than him and he's kept the team highly competitive without the benefit of winning draft lotteries, and yes that's a shot at the Oilers organization but I digress.

 

[Soundwave]

He's the best Canadian team GM by a mile and has been for a decade and a top 5 GM leaguewide if not higher. Nobody got dealt a tougher hand than him and he's kept the team highly competitive without the benefit of winning draft lotteries, and yes that's a shot at the Oilers organization but I digress.

I think if he was GM here starting 4-5 years ago, he'd have won a Cup here already. Definitely the best GM in Canada.

 

[Soundwave]

Necas adds another goal to give him three points and Blackwood finishes with a 0.930 Sv%. All in all a real bad night for folks who have an irrational hatred for competent management.

Rantanen not doing a ton in Carolina. Still adjusting and it's still early, but it does look like there's some method to the Avs madness.

 

[Soundwave]

Can’t even manage their way into a top spot in their own division, 4-5-1 in their last ten lmao.

Meanwhile Edmonton with their terrible management and worse goalie in the league is just roaming amongst the best teams in the league.

Would that be because of management or despite it? Because right now the Blackwood and Necas adds seem to be very good for the Avs.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Would that be because of management or despite it? Because right now the Blackwood and Necas adds seem to be very good for the Avs.

I’m just stating facts, spin it however you want.

Oilers score more, allow less, win more games, get more points.

Colorado has to make piles of trades because the team their management put together in the first place wasn’t all that good. Oilers are coming off a cup appearance and running like a top once again.

 

[Soundwave]

I’m just stating facts, spin it however you want.

Oilers score more, allow less, win more games, get more points.

Colorado has to make piles of trades because the team their management put together in the first place wasn’t all that good. Oilers are coming off a cup appearance and running like a top once again.

I think it's more that the loss of Landeskog (and to a lesser extent a 70+ point Kadri) has left big holes that they've never quite recovered from, but that '22 team was a wagon because of how deep they were able to stack the roster.

Nothing you can do about Landeskog and they were probably right to move on from Kadri given his age.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I think it's more that the loss of Landeskog (and to a lesser extent a 70+ point Kadri) has left big holes that they've never quite recovered from, but that '22 team was a wagon because of how deep they were able to stack the roster.

Nothing you can do about Landeskog and they were probably right to move on from Kadri given his age.

And the Oilers lost a top pairing defender in his prime on a great contract, shit happens.

I actually like Colorado, they were my second favorite team before I moved to Alberta as a teenager. But I think it’s hilarious when dummies hold up their management as some sort of savants. They’ve made mistakes and they’ve built a team that immediately turned into first/second round fodder since that one and done win.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

And the Oilers lost a top pairing defender in his prime on a great contract, shit happens.

I actually like Colorado, they were my second favorite team before I moved to Alberta as a teenager. But I think it’s hilarious when dummies hold up their management as some sort of savants. They’ve made mistakes and they’ve built a team that immediately turned into first/second round fodder since that one and done win.

also lost a #3 to UFA in Larsson

 

[CupofOil]

I think if he was GM here starting 4-5 years ago, he'd have won a Cup here already. Definitely the best GM in Canada.

Undoubtedly. Actually, I'd say there's probably at least 15 GMs that would have won a Cup with McDavid and Draisaitl if they had taken over in 2015. It took a special level of incompetence to botch this as long as they did.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Oilers have handled Philp's development well this year. Brought up at the perfect time and not he gets a few weeks to focus in the AHL with Ryan as a mentor.


I will never forgive Jackson for this offseason but the non GM stuff he has done, Kalle in development, Knob, Pracey, and even bowman hiring, I think have moved us forward.



I know people hate Bowman, but it's hard to find plug and play value like Podz and emberson. He has shown he has the ability we need the most.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Undoubtedly. Actually, I'd say there's probably at least 15 GMs that would have won a Cup with McDavid and Draisaitl if they had taken over in 2015. It took a special level of incompetence to botch this as long as they did.

I think it was harder than we can appreciate because the franchise was such a mess in McDavid year one. Our growth in scouting, analytics and development in the last ten years has been pretty massive. Got to consider where we started, and we were tens years behind the NHL imo. Didn't even have a farm team at one point.

Look at Buffalo, it's not an easy turnaround when good veterans don't want to play for the team, and your top prospects need good veterans to develop culture and habits. McDrai dragged us out of that spiral but not in year one.

Chia was literally surrounded by idiots who created the mess and he should have burnt it down. 5 idiots giving suggestions makes good choices impossible. An AI bot couldn't make good decisions if the parameters were Griffin Reinhart is a top 4 dman.

Holland burnt it down, and while the game passed him by, previous GM's shuffled chairs, whereas Holland prioritized getting 23 actual chairs. If he hadn't self immolated our cap structure in the process he would have been pretty good. Ya McDrai helped, but Holland created depth with a flat cap, and depth was our main issue since forever imo

 

[foshizzle]

He just played 21 minutes in an NHL game. Safe to say he's in game shape.

The only thing a conditioning loan would do is evade waivers aka what's not allowed.

I think he is far from game shape. His timing and skating are still off. I dont think the NHL would even question it because it really isnt circumventing anything. Like it would be a non-issue

Did he say anything related to a top six winger (other than Rantanen?)

Not that I remember. I was driving my kids so passively listening. The Ratanen thing caught my ear so I paid more attention to it.

 

[Senor Catface]

Oilers have handled Philp's development well this year. Brought up at the perfect time and not he gets a few weeks to focus in the AHL with Ryan as a mentor.


I will never forgive Jackson for this offseason but the non GM stuff he has done, Kalle in development, Knob, Pracey, and even bowman hiring, I think have moved us forward.



I know people hate Bowman, but it's hard to find plug and play value like Podz and emberson. He has shown he has the ability we need the most.

You don't think this is a little dramatic?

 

[Dirk Dangler]

I’ve watched both players many times in the WHL with the Ice and Warriors.

Not a chance that Savoie is as good as Brayden Point was at age 20/21.

I myself am not that high on Savoie. I have him as a better Nyquist. Hopefully I’m wrong.

Somewhere between Nyquist and Point is a really good player.

 

[Fourier]

He just played 21 minutes in an NHL game. Safe to say he's in game shape.

The only thing a conditioning loan would do is evade waivers aka what's not allowed.

The CBA allows for such loans if the player consents. In these situations the player receives his NHL salary, remains on the NHL active roster and his cap hit counts against the teams cap total so there is no cap circumvention. These sorts of loans do not require waivers and they can be used for players who are not injured. So if Klingberg chose to do so the Oilers could send him down without waivers and there would be no issue from the NHL.

LTIR loans are different. These are the conditioning loans a player coming off of LTIR would have. In these situations the player remains on LTIR while on loan. But again no waivers are involved. These are the waivers that the NHL might scrutinize for cap issues.

 

[Fourier]

I think it's more that the loss of Landeskog (and to a lesser extent a 70+ point Kadri) has left big holes that they've never quite recovered from, but that '22 team was a wagon because of how deep they were able to stack the roster.

Nothing you can do about Landeskog and they were probably right to move on from Kadri given his age.

They were in the right place at the right time. Having MacKinnon at under $7M with $7M in LTIR from Landeskog allowed them the cap room to carry that depth. If McDavid was at $6.3M right now and if Kane was on LTIR till game 1 of the playoffs that would make a massive difference in the Oilers ability to add to the roster.

Kadri was at $4.25M and they had Nichushkin at his best on a $2.5M deal. There was no chance that team was staying together.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Fully second this post. There's no GM that faces greater challenge to build and sustain an NHL organization. GM Chevy shrewdly navigates player landmines with patience and precision to turn what looks like sure lose situations into smart trades that improve their hockey team.

Essentially managing with one hand tied behind his back with an increasingly entitled workforce snubbing their nose to Winnipeg, Chevaldayoff provides sure handed, non panic leadership to negotiate deals that improve, not erode their team.

I have a ton of time for the Jets (when they aren't playing the Oilers). And I have shifted to "Buying Canadian" (except the Flames!) in cheering for Cup champions over and above the increasing Americanization of the game and shifts that include leveraging no tax destinations that further widen the buying power and tilt the competitive balance.

He's also a great drafter and the Jets have one of the stronger prospect pools despite being a perennial playoff team.

 

[Thomas Tatar]

Oilers have handled Philp's development well this year. Brought up at the perfect time and not he gets a few weeks to focus in the AHL with Ryan as a mentor.


I will never forgive Jackson for this offseason but the non GM stuff he has done, Kalle in development, Knob, Pracey, and even bowman hiring, I think have moved us forward.



I know people hate Bowman, but it's hard to find plug and play value like Podz and emberson. He has shown he has the ability we need the most.

I think that is being too harsh to Jackson. I’m as big a Holloway fan as any and that was a huge miss. But you can see Skinner turning the corner and RV is a good player that I think will shine in playoffs. We were all screaming for top six wingers and he delivered value.

Savoie and trading a 1st to draft O’Reilly were also great moves to keep the cupboards stocked.

Jackson’s summer all things considered was a B

 

[FlameChampion]

Aho and Svech are okay, but nowhere near close to the level of Mack.

And oddly enough, Carolina has a history of "big acquisitions" that either struggle to play with those two or don't stay long after being acquired. Vincent Trochek, Jake Guentzel, and now Rantanen. (Honorable mention to Pulju, whom the Caniacs were eager to welcome and then more eager to send away.)

Part of it is certainly the Canes being too cheap; but part of me wonders if it's something on the ice or in the room beyond just the dollar signs.

Brindamour system may not breed offensive creativity either

Not sure Knoblauchs does either but McDrai are on a different planet than most players

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I do not understand the idea that we need another D even if Klingberg works out. Emberson and Stecher are solid depth D, and Kulak can play in the top 4 if need be. Adding a D with term makes no sense to me. But yes, by the deadline things could change. Klingberg looks like his skills and skating are better than ever. By the deadline we might be talking about saving future cap space to re-sign him, not adding Murphy or Oleksiak to be overpaid on the 3rd pair

Also we are in a similar situation as Kane. He is our top nine addition. Again, we'll see by the deadline.

That's music to my ears that this is a prime year to add a goalie. I don't think Frank's comments put cold water on the idea. He says he doesn't know either way

I strongly believe we do not trade for a starting D. (maybe a depth LHD) Our defence has been really good this year and we want to switch 33 percent of it? Klingberg looks like he will work out based on what Coffee had to say.

So let's say the blueline is set. How do we now best use our assets? I hope it doesn't mean we don't get a quality player and just bargain shop.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I don't think we have what NYI is looking for with respect to Dobson, but maybe a 3-way trade.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Undoubtedly. Actually, I'd say there's probably at least 15 GMs that would have won a Cup with McDavid and Draisaitl if they had taken over in 2015. It took a special level of incompetence to botch this as long as they did.

**Jack Campbell joins the chat**

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I think that is being too harsh to Jackson. I’m as big a Holloway fan as any and that was a huge miss. But you can see Skinner turning the corner and RV is a good player that I think will shine in playoffs. We were all screaming for top six wingers and he delivered value.

Savoie and trading a 1st to draft O’Reilly were also great moves to keep the cupboards stocked.

Jackson’s summer all things considered was a B

I'm glad J. Skinner is producing, but it's too early to tell if he's turned the corner.

He's still clearly not the player we need and I feel like he needs to play at 130% to be able to hold his top 6 spot. Is it really sustainable he keeps this up? Or is it more realistic he gets benched again?

There are too many question marks at this point in the season.