Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[brentashton]

I enjoyed the game thanks. I'll simplify it for you.

You said Bouchard not covering Ekholm's PK mins when he was out sick reflected poorly on Bouchard's game.

RNH was also out sick earlier this season and neither McDavid nor Draisaitl covered his PK mins.

Does this reflect poorly on McDavid and Draisaitl's games?

If not? Why the double standard?

Hey Burnt. Thanks for the reply.

I’m reluctant to continue to dwell on commenting on the forwards because the situation I was referencing has/had nothing to do with forwards.

However, to help me understand your perspective, do you believe that filling 2 forward PK spots from 12 skaters is the same as filling 2 defence PK spots from 6? Fundamentally I don’t. You usually will have more options to backfill PK spots from forward ranks simply based on numbers. Now I will agree that is also dependant on other things like roster construction etc..

Back to the defence corps and backfilling perhaps the most important PKer in Eckholm and my comment that I agreed with Strudwick and Brown that it’s a reasonable expectation to have seen Bouchard step in over Stecher when 14 was out. This was all prefaced by the fact that Stecher was unable to move net front players because he doesn’t have the skill set and size to be effective in that role.

I look at the numbers and minimal defense depth and I would have expected that Bouchard be able to step forward in the described situation at this point in his evolution. If he can’t, it just reinforces arguments that he’s mostly one dimensional. I like Evan, I’d like to see more from him, to see him buildout these aspects of his game

That’s all I was suggesting.

Cheers.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

What assets do you give up for Marchand though?

Boston would want a haul.

Not sure we trade away next years 1st ++ for him.

Savoie, 1st, Berezkin for Marchand plus 3rd or a depth #8 D

I'd do it in a heartbeat

 

[McDNicks17]

I was looking at WOWY GF% numbers and do you know what's wild

McDavid actually has a sub 50% GF% without Draisaitl on his line.

Together they have a 65.8 GF%
McDavid without Drai has a 46.9 GF%
Drai without McDavid has a 55.0 GF%

the RNH - McDavid - Hyman trio has a GF% of 57.1, so it's still working, but pretty much every other experiment has failed dragging down his GF%, with the exception being Podz in a small 50-ish min sample size.

I think the first month when Skinner forgot how to play goalie skews McDavid's GA numbers a bit too much.

For instance, McDavid and JSkinner have a 7.29 GA/60 together because of a .781 SV%.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Savoie, 1st, Berezkin for Marchand plus 3rd or a depth #8 D

I'd do it in a heartbeat

Hard pass on trading Savoie for a rental. He's going to be an effective player for cheap for the next 2 seasons when we really need it.

 

[Fourier]

I think the first month when Skinner forgot how to play goalie skews McDavid's GA numbers a bit too much.

For instance, McDavid and JSkinner have a 7.29 GA/60 together because of a .781 SV%.

If you start on Dec. 1 McDavid and Loen's WOWY numbers are actually very similar to one another.

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

Hard pass on trading Savoie for a rental. He's going to be an effective player for cheap for the next 2 seasons when we really need it.

Savoie is one guy I would not trade for a rental. A good part of this is that he has two more years on his ELC as you say.

 

[Stauf4Prez]

We still need a top 6 winger for Leon.

12 combined goals for our two touted signings this offseason in Skinner and Arvidsson. f***, that pisses me off when I see Holloway with 16 goals on the season.

 

[stewy04]

If you start on Dec. 1 McDavid and Loen's WOWY numbers are actually very similar to one another.

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

Savoie is one guy I would not trade for a rental. A good part of this is that he has two more years on his ELC as you say.

If Carlo was included I would trade Savoie

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We still need a top 6 winger for Leon.

12 combined goals for our two touted signings this offseason in Skinner and Arvidsson. f***, that pisses me off when I see Holloway with 16 goals on the season.

Even McLeod has 12. There's just something about putting on an Oiler jersey that saps your ability to score.

 

[Canovin]

If we are trading Savoie, it should be for someone with term like Konecny. He's someone you hope Savoie becomes. He's making 5.5M this year and then 8.7M x 8 years

Savoie, 1st , Arvidsson for Konecny.

 

[McJadeddog]

Hard pass on trading Savoie for a rental. He's going to be an effective player for cheap for the next 2 seasons when we really need it.

Yeah, Savoie has really turned an offensive corner in the AHL recently, and by all accounts has been very responsible defensively (which was surprising to me at least). 2 more years at ELC plus his relatively solid play, make him a valuable piece for the Oilers. We also don't have another blue chip forward prospect in the system really, so he actually holds more value to the Oilers than he likely would for other teams.

 

[CupofOil]

A lot of posters talk up the Oilers high powered offense, but outside of the five 1st unit PP players the highest point producing player is Ekholm with 23 points... Highest forward is Brown with 21 points in 53 games. Absolutely no depth.

I like the players but when your two main 2nd line forwards have a combined 12 goals 50 games into the season, that's a huge problem. Hyman and RNH have produced better as of late and are on pace for for roughly 25-30 goals each so they're ok and Perry has been a godsend really considering his role but besides that, Arvidsson, Podkolzin and Janmark yikes aren't scoring nearly enough. I think Henrique is okish on pace for around 12 goals for a 3rd liner but when you're getting 3rd line/borderline 4th line production from both of your top 6 wingers, it's a problem.

Skinner is the big X Factor in all this and is one of the most polarizing players I've seen in an Oilers uniform. To me, he looks good the last 10 games or so. I don't see a player that isn't putting in the effort, I don't see a player that is completely lacking defensive awareness, yet Knoblauch refuses to play him in the top 6. It's baffling.
Also, enough with McDrai already. Holy Hell. Yeah it's nice to have that nuclear option when you're down a goal late like last night for instance but not as an all game thing for a many game stretch like it's been recently. Please just let these guys run their own lines and stick with it outside of specific situations when a goal is badly needed late.

 

[McJadeddog]

We still need a top 6 winger for Leon.

12 combined goals for our two touted signings this offseason in Skinner and Arvidsson. f***, that pisses me off when I see Holloway with 16 goals on the season.

Both of these guys have been massive, MASSIVE, blunders by the management group. I think most people knew Skinner was a bit of a stretch at the time, and likely not a good bet. But Arvidsson is a little surprising for most people I would say. They have both been pretty terrible though, no doubt about it. Having just Holloway over both of them would be a win. You couldn't trade them both for Holloway in a trade, think about how brutal that is.

I like the players but when your two main 2nd line forwards have a combined 12 goals 50 games into the season, that's a huge problem. Hyman and RNH have produced better as of late and are on pace for for roughly 25-30 goals each so they're ok and Perry has been a godsend really considering his role but besides that, Arvidsson, Podkolzin and Janmark yikes aren't scoring nearly enough. I think Henrique is okish on pace for around 12 goals for a 3rd liner but when you're getting 3rd line/borderline 4th line production from both of your top 6 wingers, it's a problem.

Skinner is the big X Factor in all this and is one of the most polarizing players I've seen in an Oilers uniform. To me, he looks good the last 10 games or so. I don't see a player that isn't putting in the effort, I don't see a player that is completely lacking defensive awareness, yet Knoblauch refuses to play him in the top 6. It's baffling.
Also, enough with McDrai already. Holy Hell. Yeah it's nice to have that nuclear option when you're down a goal late like last night for instance but not as an all game thing for a many game stretch like it's been recently. Please just let these guys run their own lines and stick with it outside of specific situations when a goal is badly needed late.

If Knob didn't separate them last night, with a center sick, and on the front end of a B2B game, he isn't doing it anytime soon.

 

[CupofOil]

Hard pass on trading Savoie for a rental. He's going to be an effective player for cheap for the next 2 seasons when we really need it.

That trade would be absolutely ludicrous.
I hate the idea of trading even just a 1st for any rental, even one as good as Marchand. Adding Savoie is insanity.
No rentals, add a younger guy with term. There's options out there if Bowman and staff work hard enough. I want multiple Cup runs, not blowing everything for one.

 

[McJadeddog]

The one thing I will say about Arvidsson, is that his shooting % is quite low compared to career average (4.2% lower in fact). If he was shooting career average, he would have an additional 4 goals this year. Skinner is also a little low compared to historical averages, but not as bad at only 2.1% off his normal pace. Would still be another 2 goals though. If they were both shooting their career averages, the noise around them would be less for certain. Still a mistake to not sign Holloway rather than 1 of these guys for certain though, no excuses for that terrible mistake by our management group.

 

[Canovin]

Both of these guys have been massive, MASSIVE, blunders by the management group. I think most people knew Skinner was a bit of a stretch at the time, and likely not a good bet. But Arvidsson is a little surprising for most people I would say. They have both been pretty terrible though, no doubt about it. Having just Holloway over both of them would be a win. You couldn't trade them both for Holloway in a trade, think about how brutal that is.



If Knob didn't separate them last night, with a center sick, and on the front end of a B2B game, he isn't doing it anytime soon.

Management probably spoke with the core, and they didn't want Holloway and Broberg back. It's an easy match on Holloway. Also, Holloway and Broberg could have signed last winter when they were offered an extension but they held out.

When the Oilers had shitty management in the past, it's easy to put the blame on the current management when they've been only cleaning up the dirt

 

[Canovin]

You guys are forgetting Evander who's good for 20 goals. He's most likely ready by playoffs.

 

[bucks_oil]

I think this is what it probably comes down to.

We have extremely limited resources to acquire multiple impactful pieces. A player like Vejmelka might cost us a good chunk of the resources we have to trade, and it's possible we see him very little or not at all in the playoffs.

The playoffs are short, and the decisions are fleeting. For Skinner to get taken out, he's either going to have to be really bad, or Vejmelka would have to be really good. I don't think it's likely that either occurs such that it makes it a no brainer to supplant the starter. So we would have to be in the playoffs and Skinner would have to get to the point of being about to throw away the series to get taken out, just like last year. Then Pickard came in, played great, and then still got taken back out. There is a lot of talk about Skinner's performance in Game 7 of the Final, but if all things are equal he's starting that game anyways even if we had Vejmelka. Getting a better backup isn't going to change that Skinner is the starter, and things like "he sucked in Game 7" can only really be rectified in hindsight.

If we managed a blip with Pickard last year and it worked, why dump a bunch of assets on solving something that wasn't practically needed last year in the exact scenario everyone fears (Skinner tubes a series). I'm not saying I agree (and I don't), but the opinion of "we shouldn't spank a ton of assets on a backup goalie" isn't out of left field.

Agree with this, but it shouldn’t take much more than a 2nd or 3rd to upgrade on Pickard.

There are plenty of solid goalies that would complement Skinner pretty well and wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg.

Also, haven’t ventured into the GDT but from the looks of the condensed game, Skinner had yet another strong bounce back after a weak game. Those first few saves were solid… and tough to stay dialed when your team is dominating until a breakdown.

 

[Canovin]

Agree with this, but it shouldn’t take much more than a 2nd or 3rd to upgrade on Pickard.

There are plenty of solid goalies that would complement Skinner pretty well and wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg.

Also, haven’t ventured into the GDT but from the looks of the condensed game, Skinner had yet another strong bounce back after a weak game. Those first few saves were solid… and tough to stay dialed when your team is dominating until a breakdown.

Vejmelka would be a rental. 2nd and Pickard might be enough

 

[Fourier]

I like the players but when your two main 2nd line forwards have a combined 12 goals 50 games into the season, that's a huge problem. Hyman and RNH have produced better as of late and are on pace for for roughly 25-30 goals each so they're ok and Perry has been a godsend really considering his role but besides that, Arvidsson, Podkolzin and Janmark yikes aren't scoring nearly enough. I think Henrique is okish on pace for around 12 goals for a 3rd liner but when you're getting 3rd line/borderline 4th line production from both of your top 6 wingers, it's a problem.

Skinner is the big X Factor in all this and is one of the most polarizing players I've seen in an Oilers uniform. To me, he looks good the last 10 games or so. I don't see a player that isn't putting in the effort, I don't see a player that is completely lacking defensive awareness, yet Knoblauch refuses to play him in the top 6. It's baffling.
Also, enough with McDrai already. Holy Hell. Yeah it's nice to have that nuclear option when you're down a goal late like last night for instance but not as an all game thing for a many game stretch like it's been recently. Please just let these guys run their own lines and stick with it outside of specific situations when a goal is badly needed late.

Skinner has made several key defensive plays lately.

 

[CupofOil]

The one thing I will say about Arvidsson, is that his shooting % is quite low compared to career average (4.2% lower in fact). If he was shooting career average, he would have an additional 4 goals this year. Skinner is also a little low compared to historical averages, but not as bad at only 2.1% off his normal pace. Would still be another 2 goals though. If they were both shooting their career averages, the noise around them would be less for certain. Still a mistake to not sign Holloway rather than 1 of these guys for certain though, no excuses for that terrible mistake by our management group.

I don't think the mistake was signing Skinner, the mistake was not freaking playing him.
I don't know what they expected from him but he's exactly who he's always been, a pure goal scorer with some warts in his overall game. If he plays in the top 6 all season, chances are that he'd have as many goals as Hyman tbh.

I have a strong feeling that Jackson and Knoblauch weren't on the same page with that signing, Skinner is a very anti-Knoblauch type player.
Say what you want about Holland but it was usually a collaboration effort with him, he by all accounts consulted with coaches and his staff on everything. I can see Jackson being the type of GM to go rogue and that seems to be the case here with Skinner.

 

[Messrules11]

I'd easily trade next years first for a Marchand rental

Marchand and Perry on the same team, could you imagine?
Haha, that would be sweet.

 

[Canovin]

I don't think the mistake was signing Skinner, the mistake was not freaking playing him.
I don't know what they expected from him but he's exactly who he's always been, a pure goal scorer with some warts in his overall game. If he plays in the top 6 all season, chances are that he'd have as many goals as Hyman tbh.

I have a strong feeling that Jackson and Knoblauch weren't on the same page with that signing, Skinner is a very anti-Knoblauch type player.
Say what you want about Holland but it was usually a collaboration effort with him, he by all accounts consulted with coaches on everything. I can see Jackson being the type of GM to go rogue and that seems to be the case here with Skinner.

Most GMs would have signed Skinner. Who doesn't want an extra 20 goals added to the team? This is on Knob to sort things out or bend some rules. You try and get the best out of your players regardless of warts.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You guys are forgetting Evander who's good for 20 goals. He's most likely ready by playoffs.

After not playing hockey for basically a year I don't think we should expect him to hit the ground running. It's also not like he lit the world on fire last playoffs.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Vejmelka would be a rental. 2nd and Pickard might be enough

I would want to try and acquire Vejmelka with an eye towards an extension, sort of like what VAN is doing with Pettersson. Having said that, rental goalies don’t usually go for 1sts, so a 2nd++ is okay in my books.

However I don’t think Utah deals him, they have Ingram signed for another year at a reasonable cap hit and could keep both until summer 2026. I expect they extend him 5-6 years (if he’ll go for it) and then try to deal Ingram next season. That also gives Utah time to figure out what Stauber is.

After not playing hockey for basically a year I don't think we should expect him to hit the ground running. It's also not like he lit the world on fire last playoffs.

Kane is a third liner at best after all that layoff and rehab time. We are a better team if he gets pencilled in there and at least one other veteran winger slides into the top six.

 

[McJadeddog]

After not playing hockey for basically a year I don't think we should expect him to hit the ground running. It's also not like he lit the world on fire last playoffs.

Kane was pretty badly injured all year last year, and even moreso in the playoffs. I agree that he will likely not be up to speed right away, but using last years playoffs to evaluate him in any way isn't a good metric to use.