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[KeithIsActuallyBad]

This is what's wild to me, that a lot of these media guys endlessly crap on Bouchard with the Got Yer Back crew who I respect being some of the worst offenders of that, all 3 of them, yet Skinner hardly ever gets mention as a problem. As recently as the Toronto game, large segment on Bouchard mistakes in that game with barely a mention of Skinner although there was a small segment talking about him needing to make a few more saves in that game.

I'm saying this as somebody that generally thinks that Skinner gets too much hate around here. Bouchard, even in a "down" year, is a way better defenseman than Skinner is a goalie. While Bouchard's brainfart meter has been switched on more often this season, he still brings way more good than bad to the table yet there's this insane focus on his mistakes and not enough on what he does well which is a lot.

Oilers media has their marching orders. They're not worth listening to at all. When one of them mentions how poor the scouting is for the team then they'll be worth it.

 

[K1984]

This is what's wild to me, that a lot of these media guys endlessly crap on Bouchard with the Got Yer Back crew who I respect being some of the worst offenders of that, all 3 of them, yet Skinner hardly ever gets mention as a problem. As recently as the Toronto game, large segment on Bouchard mistakes in that game with barely a mention of Skinner although there was a small segment talking about him needing to make a few more saves in that game.

I'm saying this as somebody that generally thinks that Skinner gets too much hate around here. Bouchard, even in a "down" year, is a way better defenseman than Skinner is a goalie. While Bouchard's brainfart meter has been switched on more often this season, he still brings way more good than bad to the table yet there's this insane focus on his mistakes and not enough on what he does well which is a lot.

I love GYB almost any other time, but listening to them after a bad goaltending game nears torture.

Spent more time talking about how Stecher couldn't/can't move bodies out in front of the net on the PK leading to the goals in the TO game than they did about Skinner period. Don't think the fact that he couldn't control a rebound to save his life (leading to said goals) got even a mention. They just will not call it out even if it's slapping them in the face.

 

[CupofOil]

I love GYB almost any other time, but listening to them after a bad goaltending game nears torture.

Spent more time talking about how Stecher couldn't/can't move bodies out in front of the net on the PK leading to the goals in the TO game than they did about Skinner period. Don't think the fact that he couldn't control a rebound to save his life (leading to said goals) got even a mention. They just will not call it out even if it's slapping them in the face.

In fairness that was a valid point, he did get bullied by Knies whereas Ekholm would have cleared him out most likely but, yeah, way more focus on the Dman mistakes than the goalie mistakes. Surprising from Struddy who usually sticks up for the Dmen.

I still enjoy the show very much, the best pod for Oiler content out there for my money, but there's hardly ever mention of goaltending being an issue, it's odd. Not only them, all across the Oilers media universe. I wonder if the same standard would apply if his name was Skinnerov.

 

[K1984]

In fairness that was a valid point, he did get bullied by Knies whereas Ekholm would have cleared him out most likely but, yeah, way more focus on the Dman mistakes than the goalie mistakes. Surprising from Struddy who usually sticks up for the Dmen.

I still enjoy the show very much, the best pod for Oiler content out there for my money, but there's hardly ever mention of goaltending being an issue, it's odd. Not only them, all across the Oilers media universe. I wonder if the same standard would apply if his name was Skinnerov.

You're right, they definitely not wrong. They just can't seem to comprehend that it's possible for BOTH Stecher to have not played that well AND the GA to still leave a lot to be desired from the goalie.

 

[frag2]

I wonder if there's some mandate by Oilers PR telling the media to shut up about goaltending or risk losing media pass? Win or lose, especially the latter, I don't think Skinner has done any post game media stuff since maybe the first month.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I wonder if there's some mandate by Oilers PR telling the media to shut up about goaltending or risk losing media pass? Win or lose, especially the latter, I don't think Skinner has done any post game media stuff since maybe the first month.

I think it's also a "careful what you wish for" thing as well.

Media were hard on Koskinen. Even harder on Campbell. Media wanted Skinner to overtake Campbell in Campbell's first season. Finally when he was bought out Skinner was given the reigns as everyone wanted. At some point you can't keep just asking for the next guy. If media was hard on Skinner too they'd look pretty hypocritical.

 

[archangel2]

I think it's also a "careful what you wish for" thing as well.

Media were hard on Koskinen. Even harder on Campbell. Media wanted Skinner to overtake Campbell in Campbell's first season. Finally when he was bought out Skinner was given the reigns as everyone wanted. At some point you can't keep just asking for the next guy. If media was hard on Skinner too they'd look pretty hypocritical.

We have become a goalie graveyard

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

We have become a goalie graveyard

That's not fair, Mike Smith was already really old lol.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Apparently Soucy is on the block out in Vancouver according to Friedman

Feels like just yesterday that Nuck fans were crowing about how amazing their oversized defense was going to be.

He was good last year. Sucks this year. Healthy scratched even with Hughes injured

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I think Edmonton management believe that we are spending alot on McDavid drai Bouchard. Offense. So you have to save somewhere so they think goaltending is adequate overall.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Marcus Pettersson was a move I wondered we tried to make. He's going to sign a long term contract with the Canucks. He looked pretty good

I seen a Marchand to Edmonton rumour

Where is that coming from? I wonder if he's even available

 

[McBooya42]

It’s dumb to think a puck moving defenseman who hasn’t been an outstanding puck mover since 2022 is the answer to anything, but that’s all Stan has been able to muster up. Just look around the league and see what others have been able to do, it’s not hard.

Yeah, you doubling down does nothing to alleviate the dumbness of your post.

 

[TB12]

In fairness that was a valid point, he did get bullied by Knies whereas Ekholm would have cleared him out most likely but, yeah, way more focus on the Dman mistakes than the goalie mistakes. Surprising from Struddy who usually sticks up for the Dmen.

I still enjoy the show very much, the best pod for Oiler content out there for my money, but there's hardly ever mention of goaltending being an issue, it's odd. Not only them, all across the Oilers media universe. I wonder if the same standard would apply if his name was Skinnerov.

Like. And agreed.

You see that when someone on the GYB chat tries to say something about tending and they just immediately shit all over the texter. I think it should be allowed to at least talk about, no?

(and for the record, I've never messaged their show to shit on Skinner lol)

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Lots of home runs to pick from from that crop of GMs for sure. Where to even start?

- Logan Thompson tossed for 3rd rounders so they could sign Iilya Samsonov

- Panic traded a 24 year old 6'5 goalie with a lot of potential for a shitty backup in Wedgewood

- Panic traded a superstar winger for a shittier winger because they don't think he can make more than another player on the team

- Traded a 2nd + roster player for a career backup goalie then immediately signed him to a big extension before his play nose dived

- "Upgraded" and already poor defence with Cody Ceci

- Traded away the team Captain (Horvat) so they could keep malcontent (Miller) only to have Miller blow up the room again forcing them to deal him for peanuts

- Went ahead and flipped the 1st they got in the deal for a soon to be UFA d man (this as a non-playoff team)

- Decided that Desharnais at $2x2 and Forbort was a smart way to "upgrade" the defence

- Signed average Hronek to a massive deal after an outlier year driven by Hughes

Etc, etc, etc.

Gee, sure wish we could make moves like these.

Only would that poster use Colorado trading Rantanen and downgrading their team as a positive, or Vancouver making their team worse as a positive.

Stan did the best out of all those GM's this year, he signed the best player in the NHL to a 8x14m deal so he didnt have to trade him and lose a trade.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Like. And agreed.

You see that when someone on the GYB chat tries to say something about tending and they just immediately shit all over the texter. I think it should be allowed to at least talk about, no?

(and for the record, I've never messaged their show to shit on Skinner lol)

All I care about is the numbers against the top ten teams (at the time they played the teams)

I can see numbers all over to start the year because it takes time for teams to learn systems etc.

I have to look it up, but more so the last month or month and a half

That's what matters. You will play those teams in the playoffs. I never hear any media talk about this

All they talk about is how his numbers are decent for him....

That means nothing once we play the top dogs

I know Connor Haley on Gregor show yesterday thinks he's top 15 lol. Connor must be drunk on the show

 

[alphahelix]

In fairness that was a valid point, he did get bullied by Knies whereas Ekholm would have cleared him out most likely but, yeah, way more focus on the Dman mistakes than the goalie mistakes. Surprising from Struddy who usually sticks up for the Dmen.

I still enjoy the show very much, the best pod for Oiler content out there for my money, but there's hardly ever mention of goaltending being an issue, it's odd. Not only them, all across the Oilers media universe. I wonder if the same standard would apply if his name was Skinnerov.

To be fair, a lot of people on HFBoards crow about shots and “high danger chances”, but our defence has guys like Stecher, Klingberg, Bouchard, even Josh Brown and Ty Emberson are not great netfront defenders. The difference between a “HDSC” shooting from the hash marks into traffic at a set goalie, or a HDSC tapping a puck into an empty net is not recorded.

A five-alarm fire where Defencemen are either not in their position at all, or are doing something completely unexpected/ineffective, is actually much worse than a breakaway against. If the goalie is expecting that a certain offensive player is covered or mitigated, or that a part of the ice is safe… they are going to cheat to other areas (pass/shot/whatever as the circumstance may dictate). A solid NHL team should be able to limit these types of chances to 1 or 2 a game, maybe less. It’s not impossible. Defenders like Ekholm are capable of allowing 0 chances of this type per game.

The other Oilers defenders are massive perpetrators of five-alarm fire/abdication of duty… when things go bad, they go very bad. Shooters who are completely unmolested in a busy zone full of players, etc … Pointing out Stecher at the netfront is something abundantly obvious to anyone with hockey knowledge. He can’t do the job. You can blame coaching a bit for allowing these situations to occur, but mostly it’s a lack of competent personnel. Overall the coaching has done yeomans work to limiting these horrible miscues of which the Oilers were massively guilty for the past decade, but the personnel has not improved in this area of the game. The coaching may be as good as it’s been in the McDavid era, but the right side is as bad as it’s been in the McDavid era from a defensive perspective. A player like Bouchard is always going to have turnovers, sometimes in the defensive zone, and everyone else has to be ready to accommodate. But if you’re forced to use him on the PK and in defensive zone faceoffs, you’re not in an ideal situation.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

To be fair, a lot of people on HFBoards crow about shots and “high danger chances”, but our defence has guys like Stecher, Klingberg, Bouchard, even Josh Brown and Ty Emberson are not great netfront defenders. The difference between a “HDSC” shooting from the hash marks into traffic at a set goalie, or a HDSC tapping a puck into an empty net is not recorded.

A five-alarm fire where Defencemen are either not in their position at all, or are doing something completely unexpected/ineffective, is actually much worse than a breakaway against. If the goalie is expecting that a certain offensive player is covered or mitigated, or that a part of the ice is safe… they are going to cheat to other areas (pass/shot/whatever as the circumstance may dictate). A solid NHL team should be able to limit these types of chances to 1 or 2 a game, maybe less. It’s not impossible. Defenders like Ekholm are capable of allowing 0 chances of this type per game.

The other Oilers defenders are massive perpetrators of five-alarm fire/abdication of duty… when things go bad, they go very bad. Shooters who are completely unmolested in a busy zone full of players, etc … Pointing out Stecher at the netfront is something abundantly obvious to anyone with hockey knowledge. He can’t do the job. You can blame coaching a bit for allowing these situations to occur, but mostly it’s a lack of competent personnel. Overall the coaching has done yeomans work to limiting these horrible miscues of which the Oilers were massively guilty for the past decade, but the personnel has not improved in this area of the game. The coaching may be as good as it’s been in the McDavid era, but the right side is as bad as it’s been in the McDavid era from a defensive perspective. A player like Bouchard is always going to have turnovers, sometimes in the defensive zone, and everyone else has to be ready to accommodate. But if you’re forced to use him on the PK and in defensive zone faceoffs, you’re not in an ideal situation.

This is a myth that the Oilers allow more of these 5 alarm chances than others.

Did you see the Perry chance at the end against Toronto?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

You basically have to watch every game from every team and decide who allows worse chances

All we got is NHL data

 

[brentashton]

In fairness that was a valid point, he did get bullied by Knies whereas Ekholm would have cleared him out most likely but, yeah, way more focus on the Dman mistakes than the goalie mistakes. Surprising from Struddy who usually sticks up for the Dmen.

I still enjoy the show very much, the best pod for Oiler content out there for my money, but there's hardly ever mention of goaltending being an issue, it's odd. Not only them, all across the Oilers media universe. I wonder if the same standard would apply if his name was Skinnerov.

I too enjoy GYB and their delivery of Oiler related news and content. Great chemistry with all 4 personalities. They bring it every episode.

Regarding Stecher and his inability to clear the net front, he definitely struggled and the guys pointed that out. I thought they also had a good counterpoint. The coaching staff put him in that spot because they had no faith in Bouchard being able to step up and fill that spot, temporarily, in Eckholm’s absence. That is an indictment of Bouchard’s lack of growth in itself.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

I think people forgot the 2nd season Talbot had with the Oilers.
.919% with 42 wins and 7 Shutouts.

Stuart Skinner has 7 Shutouts his entire career LOL.

Talbot was damn close to being a Vezina finalist that year. He should of been the guy they kept, not Koskinen. He also seems like he would of been a decent mentor for whoever was our young back up. He struggled the season after having twins, who wouldn't of? He's definitely one who got away. Even now, he's still pretty damn good numbers.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I too enjoy GYB and their delivery of Oiler related news and content. Great chemistry with all 4 personalities. They bring it every episode.

Regarding Stecher and his inability to clear the net front, he definitely struggled and the guys pointed that out. I thought they also had a good counterpoint. The coaching staff put him in that spot because they had no faith in Bouchard being able to step up and fill that spot, temporarily, in Eckholm’s absence. That is an indictment of Bouchard’s lack of growth in itself.

Bouchard played 27 mins and 4 seconds in that game. How much more do you expect him to play?

 

[guymez]

I love GYB almost any other time, but listening to them after a bad goaltending game nears torture.

Spent more time talking about how Stecher couldn't/can't move bodies out in front of the net on the PK leading to the goals in the TO game than they did about Skinner period. Don't think the fact that he couldn't control a rebound to save his life (leading to said goals) got even a mention. They just will not call it out even if it's slapping them in the face.

To be fair this is a major issue with this team and Bouchard is a major offender.
Opposing players have free reign in front of Skinner and the TO game was a perfect example of that.
Leaf players did what they wanted 3 to 5 feet in front of Skinner and paid no price what so ever.
Passive defending was a major part of that game and outside of a few posters all I read in that garbage PGT was all about Skinner.

The GYB podcast at least exits the largely emotion based narratives on here (which BTW if you dont comply with you are labeled as a relative of Skinner...lol).

So IMO its refreshing to hear a perspective that offers something other than the hivemind drivel I see on here all too often.

 

[dem]

I think people forgot the 2nd season Talbot had with the Oilers.
.919% with 42 wins and 7 Shutouts.

Stuart Skinner has 7 Shutouts his entire career LOL.

There was also a time where Talbot let in the first shot of the game.... all the time.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

To be fair this is a major issue with this team and Bouchard is a major offender.
Opposing players have free reign in front of Skinner and the TO game was a perfect example of that.
Leaf players did what they wanted 3 to 5 feet in front of Skinner and paid no price what so ever.
Passive defending was a major part of that game and outside of a few posters all I read in that garbage PGT was all about Skinner.

The GYB podcast at least exits the largely emotion based narratives on here (which BTW if you dont comply with you are labeled as a relative of Skinner...lol).

So IMO its refreshing to hear a perspective that offers something other than the hivemind drivel I see on here all too often.

You're saying the Oilers miss Vinny

It's a fair point and something they have to clean up.

 

[alphahelix]

This is a myth that the Oilers allow more of these 5 alarm chances than others.

Did you see the Perry chance at the end against Toronto?

Would I be comfortable using defencemen like simon benoit, connor timmins, phillipe myers, etc against the top offensive unit on the league? hell no. Chris Tanev would be an excellent option to have on the right side but at the end of the day I wouldn't want to be running Toronto's defence any more than our own. At least we have Ekholm (not that game, but usually).

And im not saying that other teams dont have breakdowns. Ill say that the best teams have less, and teams like VGK and the Panthers are going to have less than we do come crunch time barring a personnel adjustment.