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Casey Mittelstadt, Seth Jones join latest Trade Targets board

Meanwhile, Brock Nelson remains at No. 1, while the J.T. Miller trade does not save Elias Pettersson from the board.
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trigger warning for some folks:
27. Dan Vladar
Goaltender, Calgary Flames
Age: 27
Stats: 21 GP, 3.12 GAA, .886 SV%, 2 SO
Contract: Pending UFA, $2.2 million AAV
Scoop: There isn’t a big goalie market this season mostly because so few teams (outside of Carolina) seem to be interested in a netminder. Colorado already did their shopping, and Carolina has checked in to understand the price. But the Flames are looking to get back at the very least what they spent to get Vladar from Boston, which was a third-round pick. Vladar has taken on the tougher workload this season in Calgary, but Devin Cooley is waiting patiently with the Wranglers as the owner of truly eye-popping AHL numbers.
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ManofSteel55 said:
So...there's really no right shot defensemen that don't suck that are realistically available. Except Connor Murphy. I don't love his game, he's flawed, but here's hoping Stan can get a move done before the Hawks get a stupid offer for him.
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Because of the limited defensemen available I think it's best we just add D depth and target top 6 forward.

We all saw how last year in the playoffs went without proper top 6 wingers.....
 
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foshizzle said:
Yep they did. I’m fact- won the Con Smyth. Their goalie did his job- did ours?
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I'm talking about the critical moments

and yes, I'd say he did his job...from Games 4-7, he gave up a grand total of 7 goals in 4 games...that's under 2 goals per game! excellent for a goalie making 2.75 mil
if our offense did their jobs...ie. being one of the highest scoring teams in the league....we would have a cup by now
 
McDoused said:
Doesnt that just prove that Skinner isn't good enough?

Out of the 12 goalies you listed he ranks 9th, only ahead of Carolina (who also needs a goalie because Freddy is always injured), Florida (team is on cruise control, Bobrovsky elevated his game in the playoffs and was better than Skinner) and Hill (who has been struggling but has won a stanley cup and can elevate in the playoffs.)

Skinner hasn't shown that he can consistently elevate his game in the playoffs.
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Skinner is on the lower end of the spectrum of playoff starting goalies, he's not the worst goalie to ever exist like some are making him out to be.

Is it an area of concern that we should be looking to upgrade? I'll say yes, but at the same time I think there is a lot of braindead thinking around the issue. Seemingly every game where we lose and the other goalie performed better than Skinner, all blame is shoved onto him when it is often more nuanced.

Let's just take the example of Bobrovsky and Skinner last playoffs, if you take the average number of shots both faced and their respective save percentages, Bobrovsky essentially saved 3 more goals (rounded up) than Skinner during the whole playoff run, but that's while making roughly 4 times his salary. You can argue Bob is more consistent or more clutch, but if I was given the choice to have Skinner at his cap-hit or Bobrovsky at his cap-hit, I would choose Skinner that $7,4M cap difference is more valuable than their respective levels of play. That $7.4M wisely spent can definitely net you more than a 3 goal gap in improvement.

Like Nurse for example at 5 on 5 was -11 goal differential.
Derek Ryan at 5 on 5 was -8 goal differential.

You could easily improve the 2nd pairing (and 3rd pairing from the trickle down effect) and 4th line C position with that $7.4M and it would create a far large goal differential improvement than swapping Skinner for Bob.

I tend to think in goal differential terms and I'm almost certain a proper 2nd pairing d improvement can net us an 8 goal differential improvement in the playoffs and a high end forward improvement would be close to the same. So to match that for a goalie (relative to the number of shots we faced last season) would need a save percentage 0.014 higher than Skinner. The gap doesn't need to be that drastic for us to address our goaltending, we can try frugal fixes, but if it is our big homerun swing addition I want a goalie who will realistically put up a 0.915 sv% or better in the playoffs.
 
Has anybody heard a wild rumor about what really went on behind the scenes with Petey and Jt Miller? I am not going to post it here, but heard it from some insiders
 
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CanadasTeam99 said:
Has anybody heard a wild rumor about what really went on behind the scenes with Petey and Jt Miller? I am not going to post it here, but heard it from some insiders
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If someone didn't seduce someone else's mother and/or it's not a sex scandal involving a local weather woman and a burned crib I'm going to be very dissapointed.
 
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Shanahanigans said:
Skinner didn't "lose us the cup" per se but Bob easily outplayed him. Analytics wise the Oilers handily outplayed the Panthers in that series, and at the end goaltending was the difference- the 2-1 goal being on a low wrister with no traffic vs Bob's miraculous save on Hyman after Mcdavid got stuffed...the difference.

Anyways, for those who are satisfied, after the Rantanen trade, they asked Eric Tulsky if he was done and he said "until you have the 20 best players in the league on the same team, we're not done." I don't understand some people's attachment to certain players when there are clear upgrades available.
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Well that's the other thing ... winning a Cup is hard enough, you don't need to make it that much harder by going in with .901 goaltending. There's no special cookie you get for doing that.

And yeah, yeah, yeah Colorado 22 this and that, Colorado also lost in the 1st round the following season and had multiple players post (at that time) career high seasons in 2022 that year. They had really 2 if not 3 capable scoring lines on top of a near 30 goal no.1 D-Man in Makar.

We still struggle to have two scoring lines at 5 on 5, so much so that McDavid and Draisaitl being put on the same line is still a regular occurrence here and not many players are having a career best season here this year.

I think last year took a toll on McDavid. Like sure, you can do everything the hard way but it starts to wear on you after a while, we've played *a lot* of hockey the last three years and had a lot of "this season is melting down!" moments in those 3 years too.

It sure would be nice to have .910 or even .915 (dare I even ask for .920?) in a playoffs and not have to kill the team to get to a game 7 oppurtunity at a Cup. This year and I don't see anything from Stu this year that says he's up for that. He's the same ol', same ol' and last year we had a record breaking historic PK going in the playoffs too.

Also can we not be down 1-3 in the Finals again. After 2006 and 2024 again, I'm officially sick of that shit.
 
Outside of obviously needing a goalie, i’m really hoping the Oilers prioritize beefing up the forward depth. A perfect deadline for me would see them bring in a goalie, a top 6 winger and a physical bottom 6er, preferably right handed but my favourite target is probably Frederic for that spot.

And for the love of God please have McDrai on their own lines…

RNH - McDavid - Hyman
XXX - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Skinner - Henrique - Frederic
Perry/Podz - Janmark - Brown/Kapanen

Don’t know who that top 6 winger out there is though.
 
Seravalli says we were really in on Drew O’Connor and we want a speedy bottom six winger.

I don’t get it. Don’t we want someone on the top six who has more than 10 goals? 😂 or are we relying on A 40 year Perry to guide our wingers to paradise?
 
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Burnt Biscuits said:
Skinner is on the lower end of the spectrum of playoff starting goalies, he's not the worst goalie to ever exist like some are making him out to be.

Is it an area of concern that we should be looking to upgrade? I'll say yes, but at the same time I think there is a lot of braindead thinking around the issue. Seemingly every game where we lose and the other goalie performed better than Skinner, all blame is shoved onto him when it is often more nuanced.

Let's just take the example of Bobrovsky and Skinner last playoffs, if you take the average number of shots both faced and their respective save percentages, Bobrovsky essentially saved 3 more goals (rounded up) than Skinner during the whole playoff run, but that's while making roughly 4 times his salary. You can argue Bob is more consistent or more clutch, but if I was given the choice to have Skinner at his cap-hit or Bobrovsky at his cap-hit, I would choose Skinner that $7,4M cap difference is more valuable than their respective levels of play. That $7.4M wisely spent can definitely net you more than a 3 goal gap in improvement.

Like Nurse for example at 5 on 5 was -11 goal differential.
Derek Ryan at 5 on 5 was -8 goal differential.

You could easily improve the 2nd pairing (and 3rd pairing from the trickle down effect) and 4th line C position with that $7.4M and it would create a far large goal differential improvement than swapping Skinner for Bob.

I tend to think in goal differential terms and I'm almost certain a proper 2nd pairing d improvement can net us an 8 goal differential improvement in the playoffs and a high end forward improvement would be close to the same. So to match that for a goalie (relative to the number of shots we faced last season) would need a save percentage 0.014 higher than Skinner. The gap doesn't need to be that drastic for us to address our goaltending, we can try frugal fixes, but if it is our big homerun swing addition I want a goalie who will realistically put up a 0.915 sv% or better in the playoffs.
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Nothing wrong with looking at xGF%. You want players who are going to help you more than hurt you.

Didn't you just make an argument for why goaltending is such an issue? Upgrading our teams sv% just slightly would increase our odds dramatically.

Also, if Klingberg works out we might not need to spend a lot of assets on defence. Maybe just a depth defender that can play PK.
 
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CanadasTeam99 said:
Has anybody heard a wild rumor about what really went on behind the scenes with Petey and Jt Miller? I am not going to post it here, but heard it from some insiders
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I’m guessing Miller walked in on Petey, Hughes and Demko circle j#%king over the Canucks logo. They saw Miller and asked him to join in this was a Canuck tradition going back to the 80’s. Petey then proceeded to lick the logo saying the power of generations of Canucks flows in his veins now. Miller wanted no part of it and from that day forward there’s been a rift between Miller and Petey.
 
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CantHaveTkachev said:
I'm talking about the critical moments

and yes, I'd say he did his job...from Games 4-7, he gave up a grand total of 7 goals in 4 games...that's under 2 goals per game! excellent for a goalie making 2.75 mil
if our offense did their jobs...ie. being one of the highest scoring teams in the league....we would have a cup by now
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Hahahhaha- now you’re cherry picking specific moments. On a Tuesday, after 930-935pm he got shutouts.

Maybe check the stats on whether or not the offence did their jobs. MVP - Connor McDavid. Bouchard set the record for highest scoring D man in a playoff run. Historic PP. meanwhile, your boy was 11th out of 16 teams for goals saved above expected. Pickard bailed him out in Vancouver. He shit the bed the year before.

Cherry pick all the stats you want. He is one of the worst goalies since the cap era (goalies who have played more than 20 games in the playoffs). In goals saved above expected. Period.

You seem to forget the oilers were down 3-0. It was the offence that brought them back. Lol.

Anyways- I’m done here- you’re clearly related to Stu.
 
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McShogun99 said:
I’m guessing Miller walked in on Petey, Hughes and Demko circle j#%king over the Canucks logo. They saw Miller and asked him to join in this was a Canuck tradition going back to the 80’s. Petey then proceeded to lick the logo saying the power of generations of Canucks flows in his veins now. Miller wanted no part of it and from that day forward there’s been a rift between Miller and Petey.
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It's pretty damn wild. Could be BS, but I trust this person who says he knows some brass. It's more wild than you would even dream of

Maybe it's on Reddit, I never cared to check. Word usually travels quickly.
 
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foshizzle said:
Hahahhaha- now you’re cherry picking specific moments. On a Tuesday, after 930-935pm he got shutouts.

Maybe check the stats on whether or not the offence did their jobs. MVP - Connor McDavid. Bouchard set the record for highest scoring D man in a playoff run. Historic PP. meanwhile, your boy was 11th out of 16 teams for goals saved above expected. Pickard bailed him out in Vancouver. He shit the bed the year before.

Cherry pick all the stats you want. He is one of the worst goalies since the cap era (goalies who have played more than 20 games in the playoffs). In goals saved above expected. Period.

You seem to forget the oilers were down 3-0. It was the offence that brought them back. Lol.

Anyways- I’m done here- you’re clearly related to Stu.
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I dont get what's hard to understand. Skinner was great on odd numbered games, that started after 7pm or 8pm on fridays, not counting statutory holidays or alternate Wednesdays.
 
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