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So...there's really no right shot defensemen that don't suck that are realistically available. Except Connor Murphy. I don't love his game, he's flawed, but here's hoping Stan can get a move done before the Hawks get a stupid offer for him.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
So...there's really no right shot defensemen that don't suck that are realistically available. Except Connor Murphy. I don't love his game, he's flawed, but here's hoping Stan can get a move done before the Hawks get a stupid offer for him.
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Yeah that's the other thing ... the market isn't that great this year for D.

Connor Murphy isn't anywhere close to an Ekholm impact add, neither is Ristolanien. The ask for these players is likely a 1st + prospect. Then you have lesser options like Denis Savard, TJ Brodie, Jusso Valikmaki, etc. Nick Jensen and Chychrun are likely off the market because both teams are having good seasons.

For people saying "the market will magically open up!", no it probably won't. We're now into February this is not like US thanksgiving still, we're getting into the home stretch already, the teams in it right now will likely want to stay in.

Whereas for goaltending, Vejmelka could be available (12th best GSAA). So could Gibson (5th best for GSAA this year). So could Talbot (14th best GSAA). You could also take a shot on a younger guy like Annunen or Blomqvist or Soderblom or Dobes.

There's not a lot of logic here in that a there's a D available who would move that needle more than a goalie.

Unless Sidney Crosby is available there's not that much exciting on the forward side either other than "lets spend even MOAR on the 50th center to play a bottom 6 role because giving up Kesselring for Bjugstad didn't suck bad enough already!".
 
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Soundwave said:
Yeah that's the other thing ... the market isn't that great this year for D.

Connor Murphy isn't anywhere close to an Ekholm impact add, neither is Ristolanien. The ask for these players is likely a 1st + prospect. Then you have lesser options like Denis Savard, TJ Brodie, Jusso Valikmaki, etc.

For people saying "the market will magically open up!", no it probably won't. We're now into February this is not like US thanksgiving still, we're getting into the home stretch already, the teams in it right now will likely want to stay in.

Whereas for goaltending, Vejmelka could be available (12th best GSAA). So could Gibson (5th best for GSAA this year). So could Talbot (14th best GSAA).

There's not a lot of logic here in that a there's a D available who would move that needle more than a goalie.
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The Oilers absolutely need 1 of those 3 guys.
 
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Even Reimer is 34th best in the league for GSAA, significantly better than Skinner (58th) or Pickard (71st) and is a proven guy in this league. If you literally cannot get anything done it would be borderline negligent not to at least throw Buffalo a 5th round pick or something for this guy (he makes peanuts at 1 mill).

Like at what point would the team be better off being managed by ChatGPT or Deepseek than the morons here.

Jonathan Quick as well could fit into the category of "cheap vet who could potentially take over if shit hits the fan in the middle round 1/2" type thing.
 
Skinner didn't "lose us the cup" per se but Bob easily outplayed him. Analytics wise the Oilers handily outplayed the Panthers in that series, and at the end goaltending was the difference- the 2-1 goal being on a low wrister with no traffic vs Bob's miraculous save on Hyman after Mcdavid got stuffed...the difference.

Anyways, for those who are satisfied, after the Rantanen trade, they asked Eric Tulsky if he was done and he said "until you have the 20 best players in the league on the same team, we're not done." I don't understand some people's attachment to certain players when there are clear upgrades available.
 
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Soundwave said:
Gibson would go Roloson 2006 on this team IMO. I think there's a very good chance.

Going from that dumpster fire of never contending to actually having a legit chance not just at playoffs but a Cup would probably motivate him something fierce on top of the fact that he is having a great season.

5th best in the NHL for goals saved above expected I believe. Behind Coffey/Knob's top end defensive structure that could be a lot like the jolt the 06 team got with Roloson.

Athletically it's a monstrous upgrade too, Gibson is still probably one of the 5-6 most athletic goalies in the league and still only 31 (young for a goalie), lateral movement in net and ability to make "impossible" saves is outstanding.

The psychological effect on our opponents would be something too, it's bad enough to have to chase McDavid and Draisaitl around all game, if the Oilers have a goalie that frustrates opponents with highlight reel saves it can devastate an opponent's belief that they can beat you. Pittsburgh basically rode that exact formula to 3 Cups.
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I agree with all this. Except, the problem is that committing three years is a lot of risk. We just don't know how he'd react to being on our team and vice versa. It's a good bet, but imo not a good bet combined with the big extensions coming for Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard during that span.
 
Mr Positive said:
I agree with all this. Except, the problem is that committing three years is a lot of risk. We just don't know how he'd react to being on our team and vice versa. It's a good bet, but imo not a good bet combined with the big extensions coming for Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard during that span.
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Well if you agree with that then Gibson being under contract is a good thing, not a bad thing, especially if Anaheim retains some.

It's preferable that if said goalie has a good run here that you don't have to worry about a contract negotiation, he would be locked in for a couple more years at likely a good rate.

It's not like his age is bad for goalie, he's 31 now, will be 34 when the contract expires? Dwayne Roloson was 36 when we acquired him in 2006, Bobrovsky was 36 when he beat us.

If Gibson takes off here it could be good in a lot of ways, for one signing him again at 34 if he works out will be likely like a 2-3 year deal, not like a 5-8 year deal where a Skinner will probably want 5-6+ mill.
 
Soundwave said:
Even Reimer is 34th best in the league for GSAA, significantly better than Skinner (58th) or Pickard (71st) and is a proven guy in this league. If you literally cannot get anything done it would be borderline negligent not to at least throw Buffalo a 5th round pick or something for this guy (he makes peanuts at 1 mill).

Like at what point would the team be better off being managed by ChatGPT or Deepseek than the morons here.

Jonathan Quick as well could fit into the category of "cheap vet who could potentially take over if shit hits the fan in the middle round 1/2" type thing.
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Are you pulling these numbers out your ass? Cause those don't reflect the stats I'm seeing on Naturalstattrick, cause both Skinner and Pickard are above Reimer and on top of that you should be using GSAA/60 and doing a minimum minutes played threshold to get meaningful statistics.
 
Shanahanigans said:
Skinner didn't "lose us the cup" per se but Bob easily outplayed him. Analytics wise the Oilers handily outplayed the Panthers in that series, and at the end goaltending was the difference- the 2-1 goal being on a low wrister with no traffic vs Bob's miraculous save on Hyman after Mcdavid got stuffed...the difference.

Anyways, for those who are satisfied, after the Rantanen trade, they asked Eric Tulsky if he was done and he said "until you have the 20 best players in the league on the same team, we're not done." I don't understand some people's attachment to certain players when there are clear upgrades available.
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If someone told me before last year the Oilers would be in game 7 and only allow 2 goals, I’d take that all day long…haha
 
Burnt Biscuits said:
Are you pulling these numbers out your ass? Cause those don't reflect the stats I'm seeing on Naturalstattrick, cause both Skinner and Pickard are above Reimer and on top of that you should be using GSAA/60 and doing a minimum minutes played threshold to get meaningful statistics.
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Are you looking at the correct year? Reimer has a GSAA of 3.1, Skinner and Pickard are negatives on Moneypuck.com.
 
Fourier said:
It depends on if you are using 5 vs 5 or all situations. in the latter both Picakrd and Skinner are above Reimer. Your numbers are probably 5 vs 5 only. For a goalie pk numbers are actually quite important.
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It's All Situations.

Natural Stattrick is less flattering for Skinner honestly, Pickard has a way better GSAA than Skinner then (41st best for Pickard vs 63rd for Skinner, though both of these are worse than you would want).

On both sites our tandem is well below average for GSAA.
 
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Soundwave said:
It's entirely relevant. We wouldn't have needed Talbot to steal 2/3 games and be outstanding in the loss as he was in that San Jose series. Tipping one game another way would have been enough.
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He didn't "steal" 2/3 games.

The Sharks had all of 39 shots total in the two shutouts. The Oilers dominated. And that was all before they tacked 7 on him on only 32 shots in Game 4, an evening that would almost certainly have folks here driving Skinner to the airport.

It's comical to the point of being deliberately obtuse to even try to make the comparison.
 
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Soundwave said:
It's All Situations.

Natural Stattrick is less flattering for Skinner honestly, Pickard has a way better GSAA than Skinner then (41st best for Pickard vs 63rd for Skinner, though both of these are worse than you would want).

On both sites our tandem is well below average for GSAA.
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Unless I am missing something Naturals Stat Trick has GSAA/60 All Strength

Skinner 0.03
Pickard -0.03
Reimer -0.22

 
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Soundwave said:
Yeah that's the other thing ... the market isn't that great this year for D.

Connor Murphy isn't anywhere close to an Ekholm impact add, neither is Ristolanien. The ask for these players is likely a 1st + prospect. Then you have lesser options like Denis Savard, TJ Brodie, Jusso Valikmaki, etc. Nick Jensen and Chychrun are likely off the market because both teams are having good seasons.
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Add Provorov now that the Jackets have life. Waiting is the dumbest thing a team can do and I'll be damned if we're not pros at it, but now all of Columbus, Detroit, Montreal and Calgary think they're playoff-bound so half the rental market is wiped out.

Our only hope is that the Isles decide to give Stan a screaming deal on one of their 8000 defensemen. I'd take any of their starting five, all have varying degrees of utility to us.

I also guess there's an outside shot we figure out something witk EK, but that's going to be a complicated deal... one probably beyond Bowman's competency if we're being honest with ourselves.
 
Shanahanigans said:
Skinner didn't "lose us the cup" per se but Bob easily outplayed him. Analytics wise the Oilers handily outplayed the Panthers in that series, and at the end goaltending was the difference- the 2-1 goal being on a low wrister with no traffic vs Bob's miraculous save on Hyman after Mcdavid got stuffed...the difference.

Anyways, for those who are satisfied, after the Rantanen trade, they asked Eric Tulsky if he was done and he said "until you have the 20 best players in the league on the same team, we're not done." I don't understand some people's attachment to certain players when there are clear upgrades available.
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Analytics wise, goaltending is holding us back more than anywhere else.

VeteranPresence said:
Add Provorov now that the Jackets have life. Waiting is the dumbest thing a team can do and I'll be damned if we're not pros at it, but now all of Columbus, Detroit, Montreal and Calgary think they're playoff-bound so half the rental market is wiped out.

Our only hope is that the Isles decide to give Stan a screaming deal on one of their 8000 defensemen. I'd take any of their starting five, all have varying degrees of utility to us.

I also guess there's an outside shot we figure out something witk EK, but that's going to be a complicated deal... one probably beyond Bowman's competency if we're being honest with ourselves.
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There are guys out there that could help on the bottom pair, but Emberson is doing well in that role. Luke Schenn would be another good add to fill that spot, but it doesn't look like Emberson is ready to take a step forward to play with Nurse, so we don't really need him.
 
CantHaveTkachev said:
yup, he's a highly paid star that did his job

did our highly paid stars do theirs?
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Yep they did. I’m fact- won the Con Smyth. Their goalie did his job- did ours?

oobga said:
One of multiple for sure. How we had to take the Canucks to 7 because of a meltdown to start the series really set us up with a handicap the rest of the playoffs. The Canucks took a big piece out of lots of our guys. McDavid basically had no wingers in the finals. Drai was totally broken.

If not for the miracle of Pickard saving the day long enough for Skinner to screw his head back on straight we don’t even have a finals to talk about this year.
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Nailed it
 
I think everybody shitting on the Canucks for adding Marcus Pettersson was a mistake. I don't know what else will be available for us? If we sit on all this cap space and just add a "Brandon Saad" type player that will be a worse deadline than last year......

I guess for now in management we trust.
 
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