Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[foshizzle]

No, but when you have 2 of the most dynamic players in the NHL on the same team, I kind of expect at least 1 goal

I find your arguments very Trumpian. Not my fault- look over there. It's interesting- you blame goaltending on forwards.- not realizing there is a goalie on the other team too? Your argument, or defense, broken down to it's nuts and bolts is basically that Skinner let's in goals, but that is okay because the other goalie stopped our forwards.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I find your arguments very Trumpian. Not my fault- look over there. It's interesting- you blame goaltending on forwards.- not realizing there is a goalie on the other team too? Your argument, or defense, broken down to its nuts and bolts is basically that Skinner lets in goals, but that is okay because the other goalie stopped our forwards.

Excuse me I ordered the small word salad.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

But you don't expect the goalie to save the puck what a load. 40 and 30 points respectively and they are fair play for your criticism but a guy who had to be replaced by a career ahler to right a series isn't.

I've said all along Skinner was dogshit against the Nucks early on in that series...he was also terrible against Vegas but Woody was too stubborn to make a switch, which should've cost him his job

none of that changes the fact the Oilers couldn't score more than 2 goals in 3 of the 4 games in Florida. TWO...

make any excuses you want, but those are just the facts

I find your arguments very Trumpian. Not my fault- look over there. It's interesting- you blame goaltending on forwards.- not realizing there is a goalie on the other team too? Your argument, or defense, broken down to it's nuts and bolts is basically that Skinner let's in goals, but that is okay because the other goalie stopped our forwards.

how did you expect the Oilers to win games in the Final? Skinner posting a shutout every game and winning 1-0? or the big boys to lead the team in offense?
I wonder what was more likely...

 

[aspin3]

Would love to see receipts on anyone wanting grubauer.

Rumor: Post in thread 'Rumors and Proposals Thread: Cryin', Waitin', Hopin''

Jul 17, 2021

Are there any bonafide legit starters available?

I'd argue Ullmark, Grubauer.

• CycloneSweep

Rumor: Post in thread 'Rumors & Proposals Thread | Broberg Wants Out, Holland Sheds a Tear and Questions His Life Decisions While Making $13,698 a Day'

Dec 6, 2023

Campbell, Broberg, Foegele, 2nd (or next year’s 1st if Seattle really pushed for it)

for

Larsson, Grubauer, Bellemare

• Cloned

Rumor: Post in thread 'Rumors and Proposals Thread | "Hi UFA, Will a 1 Year Minimum Deal and a Front Row View of McDavid'

Aug 1, 2021

Dammit, of course this is announced when Holland is out of money for Grubauer.

• Ritchie Valens

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Rumor: Post in thread 'Rumors and Proposals Thread | Goaltending Upgrade(s) In Season or Off Season?'

Feb 20, 2021

Trade for Henrique and Ryan Ellis.
Sign Hall and Grubauer.

The Edmonton Spitfires.

• McDNicks17

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Rumor: Post in thread 'Rumors and Proposals Thread | "Hi UFA, Will a 1 Year Minimum Deal and a Front Row View of McDavid'

Aug 1, 2021

If another gm snipes grubauer he would become a king among men.

• BoldNewLettuce

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Rumor: Post in thread 'Rumors & Proposals Thread | Broberg Wants Out, Holland Sheds a Tear and Questions His Life Decisions While Making $13,698 a Day'

Dec 6, 2023

Campbell, Broberg, Foegele, next year’s 1st

for

Larsson, Grubauer, Bellemare

I’m intrigued… a Grubauer swap makes a lot of sense. We’re not moving Campbell for anything close to good, need a bad asset coming back.

• TheNumber4

Rumor: Post in thread 'Rumours and Proposals Thread | No Smoke-Free Zones In Here'

Jul 15, 2021

Maybe we can just pass on Smith altogether and take a run at Grubauer if the price is reasonable-ish.

I've been pining for Grubauer since his Caps days.

• Ritchie Valens

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Rumor: Post in thread 'Trade Rumors & Proposals Thread | Hey Kenny You Can Wake Up Now, Your 6 Month Nap Is Over'

Nov 12, 2023

Campbell for Grubauer is far more likely.

I'd rather take Markstrom (or even Merzlinkins) over Grubauer. Just never been a big believer on Grubauer and Marky has a shorter deal.

I don't think Binnington is even on the market anymore because St. Louis is looking like they are having a bounce back year.

• Soundwave

Rumor: Post in thread 'Rumors & Proposals Thread: "Wanted Dead or Alive: A Goalie, Defense & Depth (preferably alive)'

Jun 30, 2021

I think their is a realistic possibility that Grubauer is our starting goaltender next year.

Colorado simply can't afford to keep Landeskog, Makar and Grubauer without blowing up the team.

• McDoused

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Rumor: Post in thread 'Rumors & Proposals Thread: "Whatever"'

Mar 13, 2022

Grubauer?

• BoldNewLettuce

 

[foshizzle]

Excuse me I ordered the small word salad.

Don't have to read it. You took it a step further and decided to comment. lol. You have too much time on your hands. I'll make it easier, ignore me and you dont have to even read my comments. Simple

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Don't have to read it. You took it a step further and decided to comment. lol. You have too much time on your hands. I'll make it easier, ignore me and you dont have to even read my comments. Simple

Because you're looking at things too simplistically. The team didn't score enough goals. Just like they did in the Winnipeg series.

 

[foshizzle]

I've said all along Skinner was dogshit against the Nucks early on in that series...he was also terrible against Vegas but Woody was too stubborn to make a switch, which should've cost him his job

none of that changes the fact the Oilers couldn't score more than 2 goals in 3 of the 4 games in Florida. TWO...

make any excuses you want, but those are just the facts


how did you expect the Oilers to win games in the Final? Skinner posting a shutout every game and winning 1-0? or the big boys to lead the team in offense?
I wonder what was more likely...

Nope. I expected Skinner not to give up a muffin in game 7. Gave up the winner on a non-high danger shot. I expect Skinner not to be the bottom of the barrel in the cap era when it comes to goaltending. My expectation is just make the saves you're supposed to. Try not to be 11th in Goals saved above expected in a 16 team tournament.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Nope. I expected Skinner not to give up a muffin in game 7. Gave up the winner on a non-high danger shot. I expect Skinner not to be the bottom of the barrel in the cap era when it comes to goaltending. My expectation is just make the saves you're supposed to. Try not to be 11th in Goals saved above expected in a 16 team tournament.

is he the reason we lost the Cup?

 

[foshizzle]

Because you're looking at things too simplistically. The team didn't score enough goals. Just like they did in the Winnipeg series.

No I'm not looking at it simplistically. You're deflecting. We are talking about the ability to make saves. That is all. Making saves.

is he the reason we lost the Cup?

Yep.

 

[K1984]

What's funny is "maybe we have a cup if he just made that one save in Game 7" could equally be applied to "maybe we win the cup if we just didn't constantly shoot glove side during the first period of Game 1," but that is just never talked about.

Repeatedly shooting to Bobrovsky's glove was dumb (and a sign of poor prep) to the point that it was getting called out on the broadcast, but nary a mention of that, ever.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

If Skinner put as much effort into improving as some of these posters put into defending him, he'd be a vezina caliber goalie.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

does that make the Oilers score goals?

It's easier to score goals against a team that isn't turtling to defend a lead.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

No I'm not looking at it simplistically. You're deflecting. We are talking about the ability to make saves. That is all. Making saves.


Yep.

lol....nah scoring 2 goals in 3 of the 4 games in Florida is why we lost
this team is known for offense...and they didn't do it in the most critical time

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The Oilers should absolutely try and add him.

 

[foshizzle]

lol....nah scoring 2 goals in 3 of the 4 games in Florida is why we lost
this is known for offense...and they didn't do it in the most critical time

The guy on the other end did it and he faced better shooters.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

The guy on the other end did it and he faced better shooters.

yup, he's a highly paid star that did his job

did our highly paid stars do theirs?

 

[belair]

Well I'm not sure if you noticed but he retired/LTIRed himself after taking the Habs to a Cup FINAL that the Habs had no business even sniffing a part of (you think he'd lose with McDavid and Draisaitl instead of the Habs pop gun offense?), so no even if we had made a move for Price, it would have little to no bearing on what we can do now.

The year we were swept by Winnipeg?

Yes, the Oilers would've lost in those playoffs, even with Price playing at a 0.924 rate. Mike Smith was playing at 0.912 in those four games we lost to Winnipeg. The Oilers' issue in that series was the lack of depth you have frequently glossed over historically. McLellan was running two lines into the ground late in those games.

If the Oilers had done as you suggested, the Oilers would still be running their team into LTI next season. Meaning dollar in-dollar out deadlines and a total lack of flexibility mid-season. That isn't 'no bearing', that's a huge competitive disadvantage.

What @Fourier is talking about is how detrimental some of these options could be if they don't solve the issue intended. Carey Price would've blown up in our faces back then. And you were willing to move some valuable pieces to get him.

 

[iCanada]

Get a 1B goalie

The private models like us more than the public models.

Love it.

 

[oobga]

Yep.

One of multiple for sure. How we had to take the Canucks to 7 because of a meltdown to start the series really set us up with a handicap the rest of the playoffs. The Canucks took a big piece out of lots of our guys. McDavid basically had no wingers in the finals. Drai was totally broken.

If not for the miracle of Pickard saving the day long enough for Skinner to screw his head back on straight we don’t even have a finals to talk about this year.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Nope. I expected Skinner not to give up a muffin in game 7. Gave up the winner on a non-high danger shot. I expect Skinner not to be the bottom of the barrel in the cap era when it comes to goaltending. My expectation is just make the saves you're supposed to. Try not to be 11th in Goals saved above expected in a 16 team tournament.

What muffin? You mean a clear shot from the slot from a guy that scored 50 plus goals?

 

[McJadeddog]

is he the reason we lost the Cup?

No, but he is the reason why we almost didn't get out of the 2nd round.

He is also the most likely for why we won't win a cup this year as well.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Today was one of the rare days I listened to 1440 the entire day.

All I heard was skinner apologists some saying he's top 15

 

[Soundwave]

Cool.

Irrelevant, but cool.

Also the Oilers scored at least 5 goals through the first 3 games, and blew a 2-0 lead in Game 1 (probably something that we would gang beat Skinner over). So - if you're actually attempting to make a comparison between Talbot's performance in Game 1-3 of that series and Bobrovsky in the Final last year, you would still be way out to lunch.

It's entirely relevant. We wouldn't have needed Talbot to steal 2/3 games and be outstanding in the loss as he was in that San Jose series. Tipping one game another way would have been enough.

 

[soothsayer]

What muffin? You mean a clear shot from the slot from a guy that scored 50 plus goals?

A wrist shot from the top of the circle that went through Skinner on the short side. Face it, that was a terrible goal to give up in a 1-1 game, let alone in game 7 of the stanley cup finals. There's no ifs ands or buts about that.

 

[Soundwave]

Today was one of the rare days I listened to 1440 the entire day.

All I heard was skinner apologists some saying he's top 15

The year we were swept by Winnipeg?

Yes, the Oilers would've lost in those playoffs, even with Price playing at a 0.924 rate. Mike Smith was playing at 0.912 in those four games we lost to Winnipeg. The Oilers' issue in that series was the lack of depth you have frequently glossed over historically. McLellan was running two lines into the ground late in those games.

If the Oilers had done as you suggested, the Oilers would still be running their team into LTI next season. Meaning dollar in-dollar out deadlines and a total lack of flexibility mid-season. That isn't 'no bearing', that's a huge competitive disadvantage.

What @Fourier is talking about is how detrimental some of these options could be if they don't solve the issue intended. Carey Price would've blown up in our faces back then. And you were willing to move some valuable pieces to get him.

Uh one, yes .924 in that series would have helped, it very well could have swung games 3 and 4 the other way and now you have a 2-2 series. Secondly the premise that Price is/was an elite level goalie that can completely change the fortunes of a team in a playoff run was 100% borne out as correct when he carried a middling Canadiens team with no stars on it on his back to a Cup Final beating teams like Vegas in the process.

Probably while playing hurt no less. Montreal swept the sames Jets team that swept us, yeah I think Price makes a difference.

You can also move LTI gaurunteed contracts to cheapo teams like the Arizona's of the world, it's been done many times if you want a little extra flexibility.