Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[McAsuno]

Get a 1B goalie

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Get a 1B goalie

Damn this team is good.

 

[Fourier]

You can't just look at these things as equivalent, Skinner plays on one of the 2-3 best teams in the league that is now 2 years deep into a massively improved defensive structure, Blackwood has been on freaking San Jose that has been tanking seasons.

Even his .899 from San Jose the year they were tanking for Celebrini isn't bad in that context, he was nearly .900 on a terrible, terrible team, lots of goalies would have far worse numbers in that situation (likely Skinner included).

A legit goalie here should be .910+ or if they're not have some kind of * selling point, like their playoff save percentage or big game play is very good. We are poorly settling when we say .902-.905 the last two years along with .883 and .901 in the last two playoffs is "acceptable". We should be aiming a lot higher than that.

My post was in direct response to a discussion about Blackwood's HDsv% this year as a means of concluding that he is better than Skinner. The point is small sample sizes do not have a lot of value when the guy has a history of very inconsistent play. IN his last 8 games Blackwood's HDsv% has been .778 which was a lot closer to his career numbers than his .877 over his first 11 games in Colorado. And that is with two shutouts in those 8 games.

I also think you significantly overestimate how team play impacts some of these goalie numbers.

I am gong to repeat what I have said multiple times. I want the Oilers to upgrade goaltending. But I want consistency not a series of hope and prayer moves. To be honest had they followed your advice over the last year or so they may have used up all their decent assets have more cap on the books and be no better off than they are right now.

 

[belair]

My post was in direct response to a discussion about Blackwood's HDsv% this year as a means of concluding that he is better than Skinner. The point is small sample sizes do not have a lot of value when the guy has a history of very inconsistent play. IN his last 8 games Blackwood's HDsv% has been .778 which was a lot closer to his career numbers than his .877 over his first 11 games in Colorado. And that is with two shutouts in those 8 games.

I also think you significantly overestimate how team play impacts some of these goalie numbers.

I am gong to repeat what I have said multiple times. I want the Oilers to upgrade goaltending. But I want consistency not a series of hope and prayer moves. To be honest had they followed your advice over the last year or so they may have used up all their decent assets have more cap on the books and be no better off than they are right now.

If we had listened to him historically, we'd have Carey Price on our books.

 

[Soundwave]

My post was in direct response to a discussion about Blackwood's HDsv% this year as a means of concluding that he is better than Skinner. The point is small sample sizes do not have a lot of value when the guy has a history of very inconsistent play. IN his last 8 games Blackwood's HDsv% has been .778 which was a lot closer to his career numbers than his .877 over his first 11 games in Colorado. And that is with two shutouts in those 8 games.

I also think you significantly overestimate how team play impacts some of these goalie numbers.

I am gong to repeat what I have said multiple times. I want the Oilers to upgrade goaltending. But I want consistency not a series of hope and prayer moves. To be honest had they followed your advice over the last year or so they may have used up all their decent assets have more cap on the books and be no better off than they are right now.

The problem with this philosophy of waiting for the "perfect" fit is you could be flushing multiple Cups down the toilet waiting for this magical fit, like a woman who spent all her 30s dismissing several decent guys waiting for Mr. Perfect and now is 40+ and complaining and desperate for a family, while those other guys went off a got married to someone else.

I'll give a direct example here. The Oilers could have signed Cam Talbot to be the "back up" last summer for probably like even 1.2 million + bonuses. Dirt cheap, he was coming off an injury plagued year in Ottawa, but was an experienced, competent NHL goalie with good runs of play in multiple markets.

If they had done even that, is there a chance a Cam Talbot could have won one of the three first games in the Florida series in particular?

Quite possibly yes. And you'd have a Cup now instead of having nothing. For a whopping spend of 200k more than Pickard.

It doesn't have to necessarily be some slam dunk, home run deal that costs two 1sts. It's often really just a market of being vigilant on the market and keeping eyes open, which I think is the big problem with this team ... I don't think they're even looking, I think they're completely overwhelmed with just trying to find like 1 D-Man.

If we had listened to him historically, we'd have Carey Price on our books.

Well I'm not sure if you noticed but he retired/LTIRed himself after taking the Habs to a Cup FINAL that the Habs had no business even sniffing a part of (you think he'd lose with McDavid and Draisaitl instead of the Habs pop gun offense?), so no even if we had made a move for Price, it would have little to no bearing on what we can do now.

 

[K1984]

Cam Talbot playing for the Oilers isn't going to cause Bobrovsky to not play among the best I've ever seen a goalie play through the first 8 periods of that series.

That's the reason we lost those games, not Skinner.

 

[Soundwave]

Cam Talbot playing for the Oilers isn't going to cause Bobrovsky to not play among the best I've ever seen a goalie play through the first 8 periods of that series.

That's the reason we lost those games, not Skinner.

Talbot is capable of being better than sub .900 for the 1st three games of that series, in the 2017 playoffs he was frankly our best player in the playoffs period (not McDavid).

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Talbot is capable of being better than sub .900 for the 1st three games of that series, in the 2017 playoffs he was frankly our best player in the playoffs period (not McDavid).

does that make the Oilers score goals?

 

[foshizzle]

Damn this team is good.

I posted this last week. Only reason they arent running away with the president's trophy is goaltending

 

[Soundwave]

does that make the Oilers score goals?

Would a .915 or .920 in a game 3 behind a raucous Rogers crowd have changed things? Sure perhaps.

I also think Talbot could have stopped the second goal Skinner allowed in game 7. It was a good shot, but stoppable from a fair distance.

Any one of those things could have swung a series.

In 2017 we scored f*** all in games 1/2/3 vs. San Jose and Talbot basically put us on his back and had us up 2-1 somehow. We could have very easily have been down 1-2 or even 0-3.

 

[Fourier]

The problem with this philosophy of waiting for the "perfect" fit is you could be flushing multiple Cups down the toilet waiting for this magical fit, like a woman who spent all her 30s dismissing several decent guys waiting for Mr. Perfect and now is 40+ and complaining and desperate for a family, while those other guys went off a got married to someone else.

I'll give a direct example here. The Oilers could have signed Cam Talbot to be the "back up" last summer for probably like even 1.2 million + bonuses. Dirt cheap, he was coming off an injury plagued year in Ottawa, but was an experienced, competent NHL goalie with good runs of play in multiple markets.

If they had done even that, is there a chance a Cam Talbot could have won one of the three first games in the Florida series in particular?

Quite possibly yes. And you'd have a Cup now instead of having nothing. For a whopping spend of 200k more than Pickard.

It doesn't have to necessarily be some slam dunk, home run deal that costs two 1sts. It's often really just a market of being vigilant on the market and keeping eyes open, which I think is the big problem with this team ... I don't think they're even looking, I think they're completely overwhelmed with just trying to find like 1 D-Man.



Well I'm not sure if you noticed but he retired/LTIRed himself after taking the Habs to a Cup FINAL that the Habs had no business even sniffing a part of (you think he'd lose with McDavid and Draisaitl instead of the Habs pop gun offense?), so no even if we had made a move for Price, it would have little to no bearing on what we can do now.

Pretty much any goalie can get hot for short periods of time. The Leafs lost to a Zamboni driver. So what. As I have repeatedly said two guys who are a coin toss to lose you any given game are no better than one.

Would I object if they got a James Riemer or even a talbot for something small. No. Because the cost does not restrict your ability to improve the team in other places. The problem with your strategy is that you are using most of your assets and cap space on a hope and prayer. If you are going to use that much of a scarce resource you better be giving yourself a real chance to improve not just duplicate what you have in another sweater.

 

[Soundwave]

Pretty much any goalie can get hot for short periods of time. The Leafs lost to a Zamboni driver. So what. As I have repeatedly said two guys who are a coin toss to lose you any given game are no better than one.

Would I object if they got a James Riemer or even a talbot for something small. No. Because the cost does not restrict your ability to improve the team in other places. The problem with your strategy is that you are using most of your assets and cap space on a hope and prayer. If you are going to use that much of a scarce resource you better be giving yourself a real chance to improve not just duplicate what you have in another sweater.

I mean it comes off as hypocrisy when this logic is ONLY used for goaltending.

How about the 10 f***ing million dollars this team just spent on Arvidsson, Skinner, and Henrique and all three of them are having piss poor seasons? We spent a load of money to score more goals and scoring is actually down. Are forwards "voodoo!" now too?

There's not much talk about "yeah but now you can't spend more on forwards because those three didn't work out". Why is it only goaltending we are supposed to just accept nothing being done because Jack Campbell had a drinking problem? Like it sucks, but boo hoo get over yourself as an organization and do something. Did Colorado have a years long pity party for themselves because Georgeiv sucked? No. They went out and addressed the issue.

Every area of this team has had major amounts of money and asset costs spent on it except for goaltending.

 

[K1984]

Talbot is capable of being better than sub .900 for the 1st three games of that series, in the 2017 playoffs he was frankly our best player in the playoffs period (not McDavid).

Was Talbot going to score a single goal in Game 1 and more than 1 goal in Game 2?

 

[Soundwave]

Was Talbot going to score a single goal in Game 1 and more than 1 goal in Game 2?

San Jose series games 1,2, and 3 the Oilers scored 3 goals total, Kassian had 2 of the 3 Oilers goals (lol).

They led the series 2 games to 1. Guess the reason why.

Yeah it can make a difference.

 

[K1984]

San Jose series games 1,2, and 3 the Oilers scored 3 goals total.

They led the series 2 games to 1. Guess the reason why.

San Jose series?

 

[Soundwave]

San Jose series?

2017, McDavid era, first time in the playoffs for this group. They couldn't barely piss a drop of offense to start that series, guess who saved McDavid and Draisaitl's ass.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I posted this last week. Only reason they arent running away with the president's trophy is goaltending

And not always finding that finish.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

San Jose series games 1,2, and 3 the Oilers scored 3 goals total, Kassian had 2 of the 3 Oilers goals (lol).

They led the series 2 games to 1. Guess the reason why.

Yeah it can make a difference.

One of the greatest defensive cores in their prime

 

[K1984]

2017, McDavid era, first time in the playoffs for this group. They couldn't barely piss a drop of offense to start that series, guess who saved McDavid and Draisaitl's ass.

Cool.

Irrelevant, but cool.

Also the Oilers scored at least 5 goals through the first 3 games, and blew a 2-0 lead in Game 1 (probably something that we would gang beat Skinner over). So - if you're actually attempting to make a comparison between Talbot's performance in Game 1-3 of that series and Bobrovsky in the Final last year, you would still be way out to lunch.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Would a .915 or .920 in a game 3 behind a raucous Rogers crowd have changed things? Sure perhaps.

I also think Talbot could have stopped the second goal Skinner allowed in game 7. It was a good shot, but stoppable from a fair distance.

Any one of those things could have swung a series.

In 2017 we scored f*** all in games 1/2/3 vs. San Jose and Talbot basically put us on his back and had us up 2-1 somehow. We could have very easily have been down 1-2 or even 0-3.

Ehhh Talbot in high-pressure situations has generally cracked under pressure. Hell the Oil were the cause of the most recent example when he was replaced by Big Sieve Dave last spring.

 

[McHelpus]

Was Talbot going to score a single goal in Game 1 and more than 1 goal in Game 2?

What about Skinners .826% Game 3? What's ur excuse for that?

 

[GhostfaceWu]

does that make the Oilers score goals?

Can you lose a game 0 to 0?

 

[Fourier]

I mean it comes off as hypocrisy when this logic is ONLY used for goaltending.

How about the 10 f***ing million dollars this team just spent on Arvidsson, Skinner, and Henrique and all three of them are having piss poor seasons? We spent a load of money to score more goals and scoring is actually down. Are forwards "voodoo!" now too?

There's not much talk about "yeah but now you can't spend more on forwards because those three didn't work out". Why is it only goaltending we are supposed to just accept nothing being done because Jack Campbell had a drinking problem? Like it sucks, but boo hoo get over yourself as an organization and do something. Did Colorado have a years long pity party for themselves because Georgeiv sucked? No. They went out and addressed the issue.

Every area of this team has had major amounts of money and asset costs spent on it except for goaltending.

If Arvidsson has an off game your chances that it will result in a loss are pretty minimal. If your goalie has an off game I'd say they are significantly worse.

Henrique was actually very good in playoffs last year. At $3M he is not an issue because he does a lot more than score. If you brought in a $3M goalie who is not an improvement on Skinner then probably 50 times a year that guy is doing nothing for you other than opening the door.

The Oilers actually spent money on goaltending. The gave Campbell $5M and where did that get them?? You act like Skinner has been their only guy for 20 years. This is his third year in the league. In his first year he ended up as the unintended starter and was a runner-up for the Calder. In his second year he was their main guy when they got to within one save possibly of winning it all. Was he perfect. Absolutely not. But it was not completely unexpected that a team with a tight cap would stick with their cheap tandem for the beginning of the year when the FA class was so brutal.

I personally think the Oilers can win with Skinner. My evidence...a single bounce last year and they may well have done so. I suspect the Oilers do as well. But I also think that his inconsistency gives them no room for error. I also suspect that the Oilers know this as well. I hope that they are able to shore up the position. I just don't agree with your strategy for doing so.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Can you lose a game 0 to 0?

No, but when you have 2 of the most dynamic players in the NHL on the same team, I kind of expect at least 1 goal

 

[GhostfaceWu]

No, but when you have 2 of the most dynamic players in the NHL on the same team, I kind of expect at least 1 goal

But you don't expect the goalie to save the puck what a load. 40 and 30 points respectively and they are fair play for your criticism but a guy who had to be replaced by a career ahler to right a series isn't.