Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[McJadeddog]

This is actually why I don't like saying that goalies are voodoo. There are no guarantees with any player. The problem with our organization is that they think that goalies are voodoo. It's the same thing as saying that their success is random. Imo, talent matters and you can see it

I'd say goalies are fairly reliable in terms of guessing who will succeed. The formula is simple. Look for good base stats on teams with poor defense. Also look for goalies with good stats compared other goalies on the same team. That was Ullmark. Blackwood. Roloson. I can't recall exactly of a goalie like these that didn't pan out when the defense only got better.

I'm not sure who to pick, as the teams with obvious choices have made runs and might make the playoffs.

I used to be all about Detroit and Utah goalies. I still am. I like Gibson, but I'd prefer a goalie with short term. There's also Lankinen, Nedeljkovic

I like our pro scouting. They can look into to it. The main thing is that they get someone. I don't see status quo as a good idea

I don't think most goalies are "reliable", but maybe there are statistics that are more predictive than I am aware. If so, then that is great, and I hope our scouts are scouring the league for goalies that fit within that statistical context.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Doesn’t Gibson only have like 2 years on his deal? With the cap going up there’s not a ton of risk. I just don’t wanna pay an iffy goalie for 5 years like we did Campbell, that’s when you get burned.

Gibson with a good defense in front of him would be interesting

 

[McDNicks17]

This is actually why I don't like saying that goalies are voodoo. There are no guarantees with any player. The problem with our organization is that they think that goalies are voodoo. It's the same thing as saying that their success is random. Imo, talent matters and you can see it

I'd say goalies are fairly reliable in terms of guessing who will succeed. The formula is simple. Look for good base stats on teams with poor defense. Also look for goalies with good stats compared other goalies on the same team. That was Ullmark. Blackwood. Roloson. I can't recall exactly of a goalie like these that didn't pan out when the defense only got better.

I'm not sure who to pick, as the teams with obvious choices have made runs and might make the playoffs.

I used to be all about Detroit and Utah goalies. I still am. I like Gibson, but I'd prefer a goalie with short term. There's also Lankinen, Nedeljkovic

I like our pro scouting. They can look into to it. The main thing is that they get someone. I don't see status quo as a good idea

I would say take it one step further and look for goalies with consistent results against high danger chances.

Those are the chances that really rely on individual skill/talent. They don't get juiced by a defensive system in front of them.

Ullmark, Sorokin, Hellebuyck, Vasilevskiy, Markstrom, Shesterkin, Saros, Thompson. That's the top 8 starters in high danger chances saved above expected over the past three seasons. Seems like a decent list.

 

[Oilhawks]

I would say take it one step further and look for goalies with consistent results against high danger chances.

Those are the chances that really rely on individual skill/talent. They don't get juiced by a defensive system in front of them.

Ullmark, Sorokin, Hellebuyck, Vasilevskiy, Markstrom, Shesterkin, Saros, Thompson. That's the top 8 starters in high danger chances saved above expected over the past three seasons. Seems like a decent list.

Saros, come on down!

 

[Mr Positive]

Doesn’t Gibson only have like 2 years on his deal? With the cap going up there’s not a ton of risk. I just don’t wanna pay an iffy goalie for 5 years like we did Campbell, that’s when you get burned.

Gibson with a good defense in front of him would be interesting

A sticking point there is that we'd need retention, and 2.5 years of significant retention is expensive. If that deal is made, it would be because Anaheim wants to do right by Gibson and give him this trade as a gift. Anaheim would have to bend a bit on the value to make it happen.

Also, the ideal is a goalie with 1 year after this. Or at least no more than that. There is the possibility that we want to keep Skinner after next season and that he'll be expensive, and that's also when McDavid's deal expires.

So Gibson's term gives quite a lot of risk in that we don't know how good he is here until we see him here.

 

[Mr Positive]

Saros, come on down!

I know it seems crazy, but imo that's too much commitment for a goalie that we haven't seen have success on our team. He is a good bet, but I'd rather we not gamble our future on it.

Right now, try for the Logan Thompson model. Bring in a guy who you scout and select as potential to ascend who will be grateful for the chance, try him out, and then re-sign at a reasonable number. That interview period is really important

 

[Louis Cypher]

Trade wise, most the moves look pretty good. Pod deal was a win. Emberson deal was a win. McLeod deal, it was more a cap dump move, too early to tell.

Broberg and Holloway were both huge losses, but that's more on the organization for their role in their development over the last few years. These 2 were more of an organizational loss, plenty of blame to go around for their departures.

UFA wise - it has not been good, how many signings that were made would you say have been good value wise so far?

Perry - yes.
C. Brown - maybe, it's at least average.
Henrique - no.
Janmark - no.
J Skinner - no.
Arvidsson - no.
J. Brown - no.
Dermott - no.

How anyone could argue that the Oilers had a good summer, UFA signing wise, is beyond me.


100% agreed. Oilers management needs to step up, and do what it takes to win a Cup.

Can't blame past management for failing to sign our 2 top prospects when the current management had the money but blew it on UFAs.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Gotta love this

Well, if anything Pietrangelo might have an actual reason to miss the 4-Nations now.

 

[McAsuno]

If wings fall out of a WC spot, Lyon could be a decent option too.