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[MessierII]

This is why I don't get the furor over missing out on Blackwood. He has always been inconsistent. At his cap hit he would have potentially been "the move" for the Oilers. Having two guys who on any given random night might tank your chances of winning is not really all that much better than having one. But if the two guy cost you double on the cap it may even be worse.

People take one small stretch and form their entire opinion of a player on it. Skinner started terrible this year so he sucks. Since the he’s had multiple longer runs of really good play but those don’t count because people already made up their mind. Blackwood was a gem pick up because he had a hot start with the avs. Doesn’t matter if he sucks the rest of the year all people think about is the start.

 

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Hopefully some will apply this same train of thought to one John Gibson.

I would take him all day at 1/2 retained still.

Obessing over goalie numbers when the player is one a rebuilding/clearly tanking team is only going to tell you so much.

Virtually no goalie is going to have a high save percentage over the long haul on a team that is tanking every year for more than half a decade.

Case in point, a couple of years before coming to Edmonton Dwayne Roloson had .901 and .884 seasons when Minnesota/Buffalo weren't very good, it didn't change the fact that he had the ability to elevate his game on a good team and probably would have won the Cup here if not for MAF (thanks buddy).

McKenzie Blackwood is .918 overall in Colorado thus far, they gave up Kovalenko who's 5'10 and 25 years old (not a kid) and has 1 whopping goal total in 16 games for San Jose. Like, lol, you would think they traded a star prospect. Considering too San Jose took back Georgiev who is terrible.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

People take one small stretch and form their entire opinion of a player on it. Skinner started terrible this year so he sucks. Since the he’s had multiple longer runs of really good play but those don’t count because people already made up their mind. Blackwood was a gem pick up because he had a hot start with the avs. Doesn’t matter if he sucks the rest of the year all people think about is the start.

He wasn't very good vs. Vancouver so this invalidates the other three series.

 

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People take one small stretch and form their entire opinion of a player on it. Skinner started terrible this year so he sucks. Since the he’s had multiple longer runs of really good play but those don’t count because people already made up their mind. Blackwood was a gem pick up because he had a hot start with the avs. Doesn’t matter if he sucks the rest of the year all people think about is the start.

Skinner's been on a downward trend for multiple years now with mediocre numbers in the playoffs on top of that.

All while the team itself is playing better defensively than really ever, Knob/Coffey's system suppresses chances like crazy.

Skinner's numbers should be going up but they're not. You guys would get an eye opener if a better goalie was brought in and what would happen then, the team would be far better than what it is now.

 

[K1984]

People take one small stretch and form their entire opinion of a player on it. Skinner started terrible this year so he sucks. Since the he’s had multiple longer runs of really good play but those don’t count because people already made up their mind. Blackwood was a gem pick up because he had a hot start with the avs. Doesn’t matter if he sucks the rest of the year all people think about is the start.

The concerns about Skinner cratering at some point and concerns about him being shaky in the playoffs are completely valid. However, the way some can't even just admit that he's been pretty good for a solid stretch of play is confounding to me.

Nobody is disputing he started the season like shit. I just don't understand why that needs to continue to be the fixation after much, much more good play than bad this year.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I would take him all day at 1/2 retained still.

Obessing over goalie numbers when the player is one a rebuilding/clearly tanking team is only going to tell you so much.

Virtually no goalie is going to have a high save percentage over the long haul on a team that is tanking every year for more than half a decade.

Case in point, a couple of years before coming to Edmonton Dwayne Roloson had .901 and .884 seasons when Minnesota/Buffalo weren't very good, it didn't change the fact that he had the ability to elevate his game on a good team and probably would have won the Cup here if not for MAF (thanks buddy).

McKenzie Blackwood is .918 overall in Colorado thus far, they gave up Kovalenko who's 5'10 and 25 years old (not a kid) and has 1 whopping goal total in 16 games for San Jose. Like, lol, you would think they traded a star prospect. Considering too San Jose took back Georgiev who is terrible.

Part of the reason the Ducks were bad for the past few years was because Gibson was also bad. It goes hand in hand.

 

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Part of the reason the Ducks were bad for the past few years was because Gibson was also bad. It goes hand in hand.

Yeah well why should a player bust their ass for a team that's not even trying to win and letting him get peppered by 40, 50+ shots multiple times in a month.

No goalie is going to going to keep on chugging in that situation.

He can elevate his game to a level Skinner cannot just simply on athleticism alone. Skinner just doesn't have that level of athleticism period. If he was here, he would take the starting job quickly and Skinner would become the backup and his backers would become awfully quiet, really fast.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yeah well why should a player bust their ass for a team that's not even trying to win and letting him get peppered by 40, 50+ shots multiple times in a month.

No goalie is going to going to keep on chugging in that situation.

He can elevate his game to a level Skinner cannot just simply on athleticism alone. Skinner just doesn't have that level of athleticism period. If he was here, he would take the starting job quickly and Skinner would become the backup and his backers would become awfully quiet, really fast.

That doesn't speak well for his overall attitude if he's a quitter. And I've certainly read a few Ducks posters suggest exactly that. You're paid to play regardless of how bad the team is.

 

[MessierII]

Skinner's been on a downward trend for multiple years now with mediocre numbers in the playoffs on top of that.

All while the team itself is playing better defensively than really ever, Knob/Coffey's system suppresses chances like crazy.

Skinner's numbers should be going up but they're not. You guys would get an eye opener if a better goalie was brought in and what would happen then, the team would be far better than what it is now.

Goaltending in the nhl is on a downward trend the past few years. League wide save% is dropping. Skinner was great deep in the playoffs last year. He struggled against the Canucks all year for whatever reason but outside of that skinner was solid in the playoffs he wasn’t even top 5 reasons we didn’t win.

Oilers get the best bang for their buck in the NHL on goaltending.

 

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The concerns about Skinner cratering at some point and concerns about him being shaky in the playoffs are completely valid. However, the way some can't even just admit that he's been pretty good for a solid stretch of play is confounding to me.

Nobody is disputing he started the season like shit. I just don't understand why that needs to continue to be the fixation after much, much more good play than bad this year.

Dude is struggling to maintain a .900 save percentage on one of the best defensive teams in the league that gets a ton of run support because McDavid + Drai also tilt the ice in the other direction and dominate puck possession.

This is not a small sample size either, we're now at 50 games this season.

Skinner has been declining from his numbers from 2 years ago notably and has mediocre playoff numbers to go with it.

He's simply not that good. If he was on a legit bad team his numbers would be horrendous and/or he'd probably be on his way out of the league.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Dude is struggling to maintain a .900 save percentage on one of the best defensive teams in the league that gets a ton of run support because McDavid + Drai also tilt the ice in the other direction and dominate puck possession.

This is not a small sample size either, we're now at 50 games this season.

Skinner has been declining from his numbers from 2 years ago notably and has mediocre playoff numbers to go with it.

He's simply not that good. If he was on a legit bad team his numbers would be horrendous and/or he'd probably be on his way out of the league.

Well Schwartz and management say he's fine so take it up with them.

 

[Devilmademedoit]

Imagine lmao

And who is this joker

 

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Goaltending in the nhl is on a downward trend the past few years. League wide save% is dropping. Skinner was great deep in the playoffs last year. He struggled against the Canucks all year for whatever reason but outside of that skinner was solid in the playoffs he wasn’t even top 5 reasons we didn’t win.

Oilers get the best bang for their buck in the NHL on goaltending.

Yeah, sorry but I'm not patting myself on the back for having "bargain basement priced" goaltending.

This is also the budget version:

Of this:

You get what you pay for, and it's not even like our front office uses the "cap savings" on anything smart, we just turn around and waste the cap savings on doing stupid shit like signing (and then not playing) Jeff Skinner or buying out Jack Campbell (who we shouldn't have signed in the first place) or giving Connor Brown a 3.25 million dollar bonus.

I'd gladly pay more to have what Florida has than what we got.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yeah, sorry but I'm not patting myself on the back for having "bargain basement priced" goaltending.

This is also the budget version:

Of this:

You get what you pay for, and it's not even like we use the "cap savings" on anything smart, we just turn around and waste the cap savings on doing stupid shit like signing Jeff Skinner or buying out Jack Campbell (who we shouldn't have signed in the first place) or giving Connor Brown a 3.25 million dollar bonus.

I mean the Panthers spent 10m on goaltending that was utter shit until the 2023 playoffs rolled around. And then the dam finally broke on Bobrovsky against Vegas.

 

[MessierII]

Yeah, sorry but I'm not patting myself on the back for having "bargain basement priced" goaltending.

This is also the budget version:

Of this:

You get what you pay for, and it's not even like we use the "cap savings" on anything smart, we just turn around and waste the cap savings on doing stupid shit like signing Jeff Skinner or buying out Jack Campbell (who we shouldn't have signed in the first place) or giving Connor Brown a 3.25 million dollar bonus.

We gave up less goals than the panthers in the series. Draisaitl didn’t score a goal. Kane couldn’t play. Those the real reasons we lost.

 

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We gave up less goals than the panthers in the series. Draisaitl didn’t score a goal. Kane couldn’t play. Those the real reasons we lost.

That and Bobrovsky was the best player on the ice in at least 3 if not all 4 games Florida won including game 7. It's not like we didn't try to score goals, he was damn good in the games they did win. Having a couple of games where we ran up the score doesn't change that, you can't carry goals over from one game to another.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That and Bobrovsky was the best player on the ice in at least 3 if not all 4 games Florida won including game 7. It's not like we didn't try to score goals, he was damn good in the games they did win. Having a couple of games where we ran up the score doesn't change that, you can't carry goals over from one game to another.

He was really only great in game 1. Game 2 the Oilers were trash (and the one goal they did score was utterly terrible) and in game 3 they still scored on him three times. Games 4-6 he utterly cratered.

 

[MessierII]

That and Bobrovsky was the best player on the ice in at least 3 if not all 4 games Florida won including game 7. It's not like we didn't try to score goals, he was damn good in the games they did win. Having a couple of games where we ran up the score doesn't change that, you can't carry goals over from one game to another.

We pay two guys 1/4th of our cap to the best offensive players in the game. When the chips were down in games 1,2,7 they didn’t produce. It is what it is. Lessons learned and hopefully this year they are more prepared. Game 1 was the only one I would say Bobrovsky truly stole. The other games they didn’t bear down and score. Almost scoring doesn’t get it done. If you could go into a game 7 knowing the other team would score two goals this team takes that every single time. No question.

If you want to add a goalie where are you willing to subtract? Forward or D? Because you aren’t getting a better deal cap wise than we currently have. If there was a goalie distinctly better than skinner out there on a 2 mil cap hit I’m all for it. That guy doesn’t exist. Gibson is sure as hell not it.

 

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He was really only great in game 1. Game 2 the Oilers were trash (and the one goal they did score was utterly terrible) and in game 3 they still scored on him three times. Games 4-6 he utterly cratered.

He was the best player on the ice in game 7 as well.

The Oilers can take comfort I guess in "only paying 2.6 million for goaltending" as if that some how makes it any better. "Western Conference Champs" is also the Dollar Store version of "Stanley Cup Champs".

Also going cheap in goaltending is only something to be proud of if you actually spend said savings on anything good which this front office embarrassingly has not done. They let Broberg and Holloway walk while spending that money on a bunch of shit.

 

[MessierII]

He was the best player on the ice in game 7 as well

Am I living in some fantasy where the oilers had a bunch of scoring chances in that game? They weren’t very good. McDavid had one memorable chance with about 6 minutes to go that’s it. Barkov and Reinhardt outplayed our stars that game.

 

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We pay two guys 1/4th of our cap to the best offensive players in the game. When the chips were down in games 1,2,7 they didn’t produce. It is what it is. Lessons learned and hopefully this year they are more prepared. Game 1 was the only one I would say Bobrovsky truly stole. The other games they didn’t bear down and score. Almost scoring doesn’t get it done. If you could go into a game 7 knowing the other team would score two goals this team takes that every single time. No question.

If you want to add a goalie where are you willing to subtract? Forward or D? Because you aren’t getting a better deal cap wise than we currently have. If there was a goalie distinctly better than skinner out there on a 2 mil cap hit I’m all for it. That guy doesn’t exist. Gibson is sure as hell not it.

If Gibson clicks here, then I would say at 50% retained there is no player that pushes us closer to the Cup than a goaltending upgrade.

What forward or D is available for 3.2 million that moves the needle massively for us winning the Cup?

Ristolainen? lol. Yeah right. Another Henrique style add? There is no Ekholm available this year.

Gibson is a Roloson tier talent who's been stuck on shit teams for years, put him behind one of the best defensive teams and it's not that unlikely that his game takes off.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He was the best player on the ice in game 7 as well.

The Oilers can take comfort I guess in "only paying 2.6 million for goaltending" as if that some how makes it any better. "Western Conference Champs" is also the Dollar Store version of "Stanley Cup Champs".

Also going cheap in goaltending is only something to be proud of if you actually spend said savings on anything good which this front office embarrassingly has not done. They let Broberg and Holloway walk while spending that money on a bunch of shit.

But then how did the Knights win the Cup when they were so cheap on goaltending? How did their goalie beat the 10m wonder?

 

[MessierII]

If Gibson clicks here, then I would say at 50% retained there is no player that pushes us closer to the Cup than a goaltending upgrade.

What forward or D is available for 3.2 million that moves the needle massively for us winning the Cup?

Ristolainen? lol. Yeah right. Another Henrique style add?

Gibson is a Roloson tier talent who's been stuck on shit teams for years, put him behind one of the best defensive teams and it's not that unlikely that his game takes off.

Gibson hasn’t been a top end goalie since like 2018. You’re relying on him rebounding and playing better than he has in years. Your argument is he will play better on a good team.

Maybe he will but maybe he won’t. If he doesn’t your stuck with that cap hit for years to come. Even at 50% which you will have to pay even more assets to get.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Am I living in some fantasy where the oilers had a bunch of scoring chances in that game? They weren’t very good. McDavid had one memorable chance with about 6 minutes to go that’s it. Barkov and Reinhardt outplayed our stars that game.

The Panthers played textbook defense in that game. They locked it down super hard, and the Oilers were obviously gassed. It is what it is.

 

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But then how did the Knights win the Cup when they were so cheap on goaltending? How did their goalie beat the 10m wonder?

Vegas and Florida are just far better run you can't compare them to the gong show that is the Oilers front office. Vegas' scouting ID-ed Adin Hill as having decent numbers on bad teams and that move paid off huge dividends for them by winning them a Cup basically. But they have pro scouting wins all over the place in their roster, they pull good players out of their ass all the time. Even the guy they let go (Logan Thompson) this year is a Vezina candidate, that just shows their scouting is pretty damn good.

In 10 years with McDavid here we haven't found one Hill or Thompson type break out goalie, Vegas just casually had two of those guys sitting on their roster.

The Oilers front office are still patting themselves on the back for acquiring Ekholm two years ago now and haven't done jack shit to really improve the roster since then despite spending a ton of money on several underperforming players.