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[Canovin]

I understand this, but it's not as if there's some switch that's flipped when a player goes from a bad to a good team.

Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about sending Jeff Skinner to a farm upstate.



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No one really knows what Gibson is going to cost. Maybe a 2nd and a 3rd to retain? Is that worth it? Yes of course. Being too scared to pay the price might just bite us in the end like I said with Holloway and Broberg when St. Louis asked for them in exchange for Buchnevich. With the season Buch was having, he would have tilt the ice for the Oilers in the playoffs. But that's just IMO

 

[soothsayer]

I understand this, but it's not as if there's some switch that's flipped when a player goes from a bad to a good team.

Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about sending Jeff Skinner to a farm upstate.



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That's fair to me. I'm of the opinion that, if the Oilers were to bring in Gibson, he should be replacing Pickard, not Skinner, partly for the reason you bring up. At 50%, Gibson would amount to a $2M cap increase. And I think, dollar-for-dollar, the Oilers couldn't spend $2M more efficiently. They'd still have lots of money to bring in a star and they would be addressing what I and many think is this team's biggest weakness.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

No one really knows what Gibson is going to cost. Maybe a 2nd and a 3rd to retain? Is that worth it? Yes of course. Being too scared to pay the price might just bite us in the end like I said with Holloway and Broberg when St. Louis asked for them in exchange for Buchnevich. With the season Buch was having, he would have tilt the ice for the Oilers in the players. But that's just IMO

Or we shitcan the crappy goalie coach that's overseen the goaltending for the last ten years and conduct an actual search this time. That costs no assets. There's no reason not to explore this option.

That's fair to me. I'm of the opinion that, if the Oilers were to bring in Gibson, he should be replacing Pickard, not Skinner, partly for the reason you bring up. At 50%, Gibson would amount to a $2M cap increase. And I think, dollar-for-dollar, the Oilers couldn't spend $2M more efficiently. They'd still have lots of money to bring in a star and they would be addressing what I and many think is this team's biggest weakness.

I'd rather bring in a cheaper backup and address the depth forwards since they once again cannot score. Or a top 4 D.

 

[Canovin]

Or we shitcan the crappy goalie coach that's overseen the goaltending for the last ten years and conduct an actual search this time. That costs no assets. There's no reason not to explore this option.


I'd rather bring in a cheaper backup and address the depth forwards since they once again cannot score. Or a top 4 D.

If Schwartz has lived thru all this shit storm, then he's not getting fired. The guy might be related to Katz for all we know lol

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Why? The guys who scouted him are still here. That signing was disastrous for the team.



That he sucks? Is that the reason? Because Fowler was pretty piss poor on the Ducks before being traded.

Oh so we shouldn’t upgrade the clear weak spot on our team because we f***ed up on Campbell 3 seasons ago. Ridiculous.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If Schwartz has lived thru all this shit storm, then he's not getting fired. The guy might be related to Katz for all we know lol

Well think of it this way then. Schwartz is most likely the guy who relays to management that Skinner is okay and scouted Campbell.

Oh so we shouldn’t upgrade the clear weak spot on our team because we f***ed up on Campbell 3 seasons ago. Ridiculous.

See above. Why is firing Schwartz not an option?

 

[Canovin]

Well think of it this way then. Schwartz is most likely the guy who relays to management that Skinner is okay and scouted Campbell.



See above. Why is firing Schwartz not an option?

You're the only guy I know who blames Schwartz for anytime Stuart has a bad game lol

 

[soothsayer]

Or we shitcan the crappy goalie coach that's overseen the goaltending for the last ten years and conduct an actual search this time. That costs no assets. There's no reason not to explore this option.


I'd rather bring in a cheaper backup and address the depth forwards since they once again cannot score. Or a top 4 D.

I think a 2/3 defenseman who can transition the puck really well will bump up their scoring. Jeff Skinner is a significant problem and if they can flip him even for an energy guy, that would help too.

 

[FlameChampion]

Does Jeff Skinner like the sun? Swap him and some stuff for Gibson at 50% and it's almost even cap.

Can’t see him moving personally. I guess if they keep scratching him, maybe he breaks. Still no idea what the Oilers plan was with Skinner.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Well think of it this way then. Schwartz is most likely the guy who relays to management that Skinner is okay and scouted Campbell.



See above. Why is firing Schwartz not an option?

Fire Schwartz. I don’t care. We need still a goalie.

I implore you to check the last 5 seasons for Gibson. The numbers will not be anywhere near as rosy.

Skinner would be playing in Riga if he played in Anaheim the last 5 seasons.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You're the only guy I know who blames Schwartz for anytime Stuart has a bad game lol

Goals on the first shot, bad glove hand... Weren't these the same things we roasted Talbot and Koskinen for? What's the common theme there?

Again, why keep this guy? For what purpose? Maybe he turns water into wine?

 

[Canovin]

Goals on the first shot, bad glove hand... Weren't these the same things we roasted Talbot and Koskinen for? What's the common theme there?

Again, why keep this guy? For what purpose? Maybe he turns water into wine?

That predates Schwartz as Dubnyk had that issue

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Fire Schwartz. I don’t care. We need still a goalie.


Skinner would be playing in Riga if he played in Anaheim the last 5 seasons.

But Gibson is good now apparently despite Anaheim being bad, so which is it?

That predates Schwartz as Dubnyk had that issue

Okay, so your point is what exactly? That the Oilers have been terrible with goalies for a very long time?

 

[foshizzle]

I posted this in another thread- but the oilers should be running away with the presidents trophy…

 

[Canovin]

But Gibson is good now apparently despite Anaheim being bad, so which is it?


Okay, so your point is what exactly? That the Oilers have been terrible with goalies for a very long time?

My point is you blaming Schwartz for everything even tho that issue predates him. Maybe Stuart isn't very good. Right now you're just talking in circle with me and other posters. You got a crush on Stuart and his stache, we got it.

 

[K1984]

When Pickard and Skinner both couldn't stop a beach ball to start the year Stauffer basically said "the Oilers have to figure out why they can never get a save in October," which couldn't be more accurate.

I have no idea if Schwartz has anything to do with it or not, but basically any goalie that has been here over the prior 5 years has basically been unable to stop anything at all to start the year. Smith, Koskinen, go down the list.

There is something we're doing to create this outcome, but no idea what it is.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

My point is you blaming Schwartz for everything even tho that issue predates him. Maybe Stuart isn't very good. Right now you're just talking in circle with me and other posters. You got a crush on Stuart, we got it.

And maybe a goalie coach that wasn't hired out of their backyard could actually improve Skinner. Hell, go look at his protege Jarry. Pittsburgh can't wait to get rid of him.

Schwartz has been here since 2014 and the goaltending has always been an issue. Meanwhile we hired Knoblauch and Coffey and other facets of the game improved dramatically.

I posted this in another thread- but the oilers should be running away with the presidents trophy…

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And according to this chart, the Ottawa Senators are a better team than Winnipeg and Toronto.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

But Gibson is good now apparently despite Anaheim being bad, so which is it?


Okay, so your point is what exactly? That the Oilers have been terrible with goalies for a very long time?

He’s playing great. Hard to sustain on a bad team. Ducks are also a bit more competitive this season.

 

[Zerotonine]

Would you guys do a 1st for Gibson at 50%? Comes to 3.2M AAV and we get him for 3 cup runs.

His current numbers to me seem similar to Ingram or Vejmelka at their peak, but with the bonus of high pedigree and absolutely stellar numbers when he broke into the league. There's potential to unlock if he's reinvigorated by joining a cup contender and plays behind a top 5 defense corps in the league. He's also capable of becoming a true 1A and only 31 years old.

Think about Gibson, is it gaurntee his numbers will jump moving to edmonton. Not sure if you could say that about most if any other goalie that's available....

 

[K1984]

I posted this in another thread- but the oilers should be running away with the presidents trophy…

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This isn't going to be popular - but looking at expected results is telling us that the lack of finish is holding us back moreso that goaltending.

At 5v5 situations, the Oilers xGA matches their real GA. However, they are almost 9 real goals behind expected goals. Looking at the competition in Vegas, they are allowing pretty much exactly what is expected as well, but they are outpacing their expected scoring. 9 more real goals on the Oilers and we probably are in President's Trophy position even if nothing else changed.

For the record - I think the reason we aren't in first by a mile is a little bit of both. Need more finish AND more timely saves.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

But Gibson is good now apparently despite Anaheim being bad, so which is it?


Okay, so your point is what exactly? That the Oilers have been terrible with goalies for a very long time?

What goalies do you think they should look at getting then? All of the goalies available have had bad years within the last 5.

It’s confusing watching you blame everything except skinner when he plays bad, and then shit on a goalie specifically.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

What goalies do you think they should look at getting then? All of the goalies available have had bad years within the last 5.

I already stated my solution. I don't want the guy who likely scouted Jack Campbell to have an input on anything.

 

[Canovin]

And maybe a goalie coach that wasn't hired out of their backyard could actually improve Skinner. Hell, go look at his protege Jarry. Pittsburgh can't wait to get rid of him.



And according to this chart, the Ottawa Senators are a better team than Winnipeg and Toronto.

Jarry is cooked like the Pitts Pens this season. Pitts waived him hoping there's a sucker out there that's willing to take him at 5.4M. If Stuart was making the same, he would have been shown the doors.

 

[soothsayer]

I already stated my solution. I don't want the guy who likely scouted Jack Campbell to have an input on anything.

I think Woodley (woodguy) has been pretty sharp in his projections and analyses of goalies. He was one of the only guys I heard ringing the alarm when the Oilers signed Campbell.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I already stated my solution. I don't want the guy who likely scouted Jack Campbell to have an input on anything.

I agree with that part, but in the middle of the season, nothings going to change so complaining about it all season is just wasting your energy.

Coached and scouts have contracts, firing them all now won’t improve anything.