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[Canovin]

If we're talking Gibson from 7 or 8 years ago, then him. Gibson's last five years though are alarmingly bad. A small sample size this year doesn't erase what he's been the previous five.

The solution is extremely simple and doesn't cost the Oilers any assets: Can Schwartz, bring in a real goalie coach.

So Gibson? Got it. And you didn't even mention Stuart

 

[McShogun99]

I implore you to check the last 5 seasons for Gibson. The numbers will not be anywhere near as rosy.

He also had to play under Eakins for some of that time.

 

[Canovin]

He also had to play under Eakins for some of that time.

People don't realize it takes years to remove the Dallas Eakins stink off you

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

So Gibson? Got it. And you didn't even mention Stuart

Gibson costs us assets to get. If we're spending assets on a goalie then get one that hasn't been dogshit. I prefer not to get bent over for someone who probably won't be an upgrade.

People don't realize it takes years to remove the Dallas Eakins stink off you

Well in that case, wouldn't the stink of Eakins still be on Gibson? It's only been a year and a half since he was canned.

 

[Canovin]

Gibson costs us assets to get. If we're spending assets on a goalie then get one that hasn't been dogshit. I prefer not to get bent over for someone who probably won't be an upgrade.


Well in that case, wouldn't the stink of Eakins still be on Gibson? It's only been a year and a half since he was canned.

Maybe Gibson value isn't as high. Look at what Cam Fowler went for.

Well he did have a subpar season last year. That was the Dallas Eakin stink. He's recovered now. Great players recover faster

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Maybe Gibson value isn't as high. Look at what Cam Fowler went for.

Well he did have a subpar season last year. That was Dallas Eakin stink. He's recovered now.

If he's as good as you say then why would his value be low? You can't have it both ways.

Again, the solution is simple and costs the Oilers nothing.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Ask Jack Campbell. Goaltending isn't as simple as "Well he's playing well on a completely different team so he'll play well for us too." While it did eventually come to fruition, Bobrovsky was bloody terrible on the Panthers until the 2023 playoffs.

Get over Campbell. Christ.

 

[McDNicks17]

If he's as good as you say then why would his value be low? You can't have it both ways.

Again, the solution is simple and costs the Oilers nothing.

For the same reason Fowler's value was low.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If he's as good as you say then why would his value be low? You can't have it both ways.

Again, the solution is simple and costs the Oilers nothing.

Because he's not young, coming off bad years and has a not insignificant cap hit. I see what you're saying, but it is worth exploring to see what may come. Either way, upgrading Pickard is still more important that Skinner, and Gibson could be that as well.

 

[Canovin]

If he's as good as you say then why would his value be low? You can't have it both ways.

Again, the solution is simple and costs the Oilers nothing.

I literally just gave you an example. Cam Fowler who played on the same team as Gibson went for peanuts

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Get over Campbell. Christ.

Why? The guys who scouted him are still here. That signing was disastrous for the team.

For the same reason Fowler's value was low.

That he sucks? Is that the reason? Because Fowler was pretty piss poor on the Ducks before being traded.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Get over Campbell. Christ.

Again his point is valid, if Campbell was signed with Schwartz' recommendation, he REALLY needs to be no longer employed.

 

[McDNicks17]

That he sucks? Is that the reason? Because Fowler was pretty piss poor on the Ducks before being traded.

And look what he's doing now.

 

[Mez]

Does Jeff Skinner like the sun? Swap him and some stuff for Gibson at 50% and it's almost even cap.

Skinner wants to play in the playoffs...He isn't waving to go to a bottom feeder again.

 

[Canovin]

Why? The guys who scouted him are still here. That signing was disastrous for the team.



That he sucks? Is that the reason? Because Fowler was pretty piss poor on the Ducks before being traded.

Your reasoning is we should only trade for Gibson when his value is sky high?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

And look what he's doing now.

Okay, and then we look at Adam Henrique and.... oh.

 

[McDNicks17]

Skinner wants to play in the playoffs...He isn't waving to go to a bottom feeder again.

It's looking like he's going to have to go somewhere else to build his value back up and try again next year if that's the case.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Your reasoning is we should only trade for Gibson when his value is sky high?

My reasoning is that he's been bad for the past 5 years, and that's more likely to be the outcome here and that spending assets on a "maybe" in a year where we want to win the Cup is a bad idea.

 

[Canovin]

My reasoning is that he's been bad for the past 5 years, and that's more likely to be the outcome here and that spending assets on a "maybe" in a year where we want to win the Cup is a bad idea.

And everyone else' reasoning is Stuart isn't good enough for 2-3 years now. So maybe we should give another goalie the starting role?

 

[McDNicks17]

Okay, and then we look at Adam Henrique and.... oh.

Yeah, who would want a good veteran that plays their role to a T?

It would suck if Gibson could do the same.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

And everyone else' reasoning is Stuart isn't good enough for 2-3 years now. So maybe we should give another goalie the starting role?

Or perhaps we go with the option that costs the Oilers nothing and could yield much bigger rewards.

Yeah, who would want a good veteran that plays their role to a T?

It would suck if Gibson could do the same.

He gets caved very frequently. He's a non-factor in most games.

 

[Canovin]

Okay, and then we look at Adam Henrique and.... oh.

The Oilers are getting 3 years out of Henrique who is the exact 3C you want on a contending team and who can also play 2C today if let's say McDavid was suspended

 

[soothsayer]

Why? The guys who scouted him are still here. That signing was disastrous for the team.



That he sucks? Is that the reason? Because Fowler was pretty piss poor on the Ducks before being traded.

I think it was Jason Strudwick who said some interesting stuff about what constantly losing does to a player (he would know). I don't think we need an ex-NHL player to tell us that losing all the time affects your competitive spirit and makes the game harder to play, mind you.

Anyways, I think you have to look at guys like Fowler, Gibson, even Zegras in the context of their consistently awful team. Their team's baseline was to be nowhere near competitive in the league. Gibson hasn't sniffed the playoffs in almost 7 years.

I get the argument against Gibson, 100%. But I strongly disagree that you can divorce his numbers completely from the team he plays on, especially given his position on the ice.

 

[Canovin]

Or perhaps we go with the option that costs the Oilers nothing and could yield much bigger rewards.



He gets caved very frequently. He's a non-factor in most games.

Going with the route that cost us nothing is the reason why we lost Holloway and Broberg when we could have traded them for Buchnevich

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I think it was Jason Strudwick who said some interesting stuff about what constantly losing does to a player (he would know). I don't think we need an ex-NHL player to tell us that losing all the time affects your competitive spirit and makes the game harder to play, mind you. I think you have to look at guys like Fowler, Gibson, even Zegras in the context of their consistently awful team. Their team's baseline was to be nowhere near competitive in the league. Gibson hasn't sniffed the playoffs in almost 7 years.

I get the argument against Gibson, 100%. But I strongly disagree that you can divorce his numbers completely from the team he plays on, especially given his position on the ice.

I understand this, but it's not as if there's some switch that's flipped when a player goes from a bad to a good team.

Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about sending Jeff Skinner to a farm upstate.

Going with the route that cost us nothing is the reason why we lost Holloway and Broberg when we could have traded them for Buchnevich

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