Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[CanadasTeam99]

Not sure why some in this fanbase are opposed to the team signing scratch tickets. Granted I don’t actually see their posts so I imagine it’s the usual whining. If healthy, Klingberg might be as good as second pairing D, and if not, 3rd pair / 7D / minors / claimed

I think a lot of it has to do with not trusting our pro scouts.

I still can't believe what they are doing with Jeff Skinner. 3M just being wasted.

 

[Oilhawks]

I think a lot of it has to do with not trusting our pro scouts.

I still can't believe what they are doing with Jeff Skinner. 3M just being wasted.

Fair, but I feel like the pro scouting has made some hits as well to get some leeway

I think J Skinner was a “this guy should be good” general sentiment. Clearly JJ and Knob were not on the same page with this player

 

[Dirk Dangler]

He didn't give some unsupported evaluation, he laid out the range in which Klingberg could effect this roster. Worst case he is nothing, best case he helps us. How is that unsupported or even in question?

We all see your "data". There is nuance to these things though. The year he fell off, is around the same time Heiskenan came in and took over, they didn't play together a lot. Those stars teams were deep with good defensive players but not so much offensive guys for someone like Kling to work with if he wasn't getting the minutes with Benn/Seguin. Lots of 40pt guys but not much more than that.

Then you have covid, which I think should be a year that has an asterisk next to it for nearly everyone considering the format the league took.

Next comes his contract year, he produced well but was seemingly a pylon in the d-zone. Not the first guy to have a bad contract year, and wouldn't be the first to rebound after one.

I think we can all agree that his stats on the Ducks have an asterisk. Many thought Fowler was washed from his time there, and he looks great in STL. Kling had great numbers with Minny that year.

Then TO, where he got 14 games before going down for this surgery. That doesn't help you evaluate how he could perform here, at all.

What I'm trying to say is there may be reasons for his stats to fall off a bit before he went down for the injury. We also don't know how long this had been effecting his play. This is a guy that ended up losing out on millions, and who knows this is his last chance to claw some of that back. Give me someone who has that level of hunger driving them, with a history of elite play, and I will bet on them every time, especially when the bet is essentially free.

On top of that. My assumption is that hip resurfacing surgery is for a long term wear and tear type injury. Not a trauma based instant injury. When did the hip start to affect his mobility? So his decline could have been a few years in the making. Not at game 16 last year like some in here are alluding to.

 

[K1984]

On top of that. My assumption is that hip resurfacing surgery is for a long term wear and tear type injury. Not a trauma based instant injury. When did the hip start to affect his mobility? So his decline could have been a few years in the making. Not at game 16 last year like some in here are alluding to.

The caveat is from what I understand hip resurfacing surgery is more or less a death sentence for NHL careers. Backstrom had it and I think more recently TJ Oshie as well.

It's basically a gamble on if the surgery worked or not, but we won't know until we see it.

Fair, but I feel like the pro scouting has made some hits as well to get some leeway

I think J Skinner was a “this guy should be good” general sentiment. Clearly JJ and Knob were not on the same page with this player

Adding to this, if the video from the room on Oil Drop means anything the pro scouts did actually have concerns about Skinner.

 

[TheNumber4]

I wonder how much is seen/known about Klingberg's reported hard skates in practices lately. Maybe we've had eyes on the product?

 

[Dirk Dangler]

The caveat is from what I understand hip resurfacing surgery is more or less a death sentence for NHL careers. Backstrom had it and I think more recently TJ Oshie as well.

It's basically a gamble on if the surgery worked or not, but we won't know until we see it.



Adding to this, if the video from the room on Oil Drop means anything the pro scouts did actually have concerns about Skinner.

That’s interesting. Maybe Klingberg is done. Won’t know till we see it. Didn’t Puljujarvi have this done a few years ago? I understand there’s a big age difference. But it seemed to benefit Jesse.

 

[McAsuno]

 

[Jarvi]

The caveat is from what I understand hip resurfacing surgery is more or less a death sentence for NHL careers. Backstrom had it and I think more recently TJ Oshie as well.

It's basically a gamble on if the surgery worked or not, but we won't know until we see it.



Adding to this, if the video from the room on Oil Drop means anything the pro scouts did actually have concerns about Skinner.

Patty Kane had hip resurfacing surgery as well I believe. He came back great. Kesler had it at the end of his career, the Ducks were trash, and he already had a retirement contract. Guy might not have had the motivation to get back to game shape just to play for a trash team in his old age, so I wouldn't read into his experience with it as much.

I feel like sports medicine specifically has advanced leaps even in the last decade. Like Eichel had that spine surgery that was a first for NHL'ers and he looks elite. McDavid has came back in record time with multiple injuries. I feel like we see a lot less career enders overall, across all sports.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I am good with this. I like them being Pro-Active now with Phillip up and this sounds like it is going to be a done deal. Can't hurt under 1 mill.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Try Klingberg for a bit. See what happens. If he sucks waive him. If him being healthy has him playing as well as he has in the past? Or even just better that Stetcher/Brown? It’s a win.
As long as it’s not a dumb 10 game bonus thing then it’s a no brainer.

 

[Soundwave]

Try Klingberg for a bit. See what happens. If he sucks waive him. If him being healthy has him playing as well as he has in the past? Or even just better that Stetcher/Brown? It’s a win.
As long as it’s not a dumb 10 game bonus thing then it’s a no brainer.

Ken Holland bonus structure ... Klingberg gets a $3.5 million bonus for the next year's cap which kicks in after he spends 10 minutes in Edmonton. An additional 500k kicks in if he makes it from the airport to the arena via taxicab or Uber.

 

[McTonyBrar]

From what Pierre Lebrun and Bob Stauffer said on Oilers Now, Klingberg signing in Edmonton is not their primary target. In other words, their primary target is finding a top 4 defender.

Klingberg is most likely a depth signing (if he signs in Edmonton)

 

[FlameChampion]

As long as the team sees Kilingberg as a 6/7 and pays him less than $1m I don’t see the risk personally.

I guess we will see how healthy he looks.

I don’t think Knoblauch (or Coffey) like a Stetcher much so this isn’t a big surprise. I don’t think they want small dman and JBrown doesn’t move the puck well enough.

Hopefully as the reports indicate, they are still looking for a significant dman at the deadline to play with Nurse.

 

[Pip]

From what Pierre Lebrun and Bob Stauffer said on Oilers Now, Klingberg signing in Edmonton is not their primary target. In other words, their primary target is finding a top 4 defender.

Klingberg is most likely a depth signing (if he signs in Edmonton)

That was my biggest concern when I first heard the rumours. That signing Klingberg would mean the org wouldn’t grab another defenseman.

If not the case and it’s a sub 1 million dollar contract without bonuses then I have no issues with it.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Fair, but I feel like the pro scouting has made some hits as well to get some leeway

I think J Skinner was a “this guy should be good” general sentiment. Clearly JJ and Knob were not on the same page with this player

I actually doubt they even scouted Jeff Skinner. The plan was to sign Debrusk. Both sides wanted it. Debrusk wanted to come here but he wanted a promised top 6 role. He wasn't promised that so he chose Vancouver. Pure stupidity by JJ

 

[TB12]

Not sure why some in this fanbase are opposed to the team signing scratch tickets. Granted I don’t actually see their posts so I imagine it’s the usual whining. If healthy, Klingberg might be as good as second pairing D, and if not, 3rd pair / 7D / minors / claimed

Like.

 

[Canovin]

I'm excited. Oilers getting Heiskanen at the deadline

 

[Oilhawks]

I actually doubt they even scouted Jeff Skinner. The plan was to sign Debrusk. Both sides wanted it. Debrusk wanted to come here but he wanted a promised top 6 role. He wasn't promised that so he chose Vancouver. Pure stupidity by JJ

The extra 2.5M per year for 6 years had nothing to do with it? Where did you hear that he wanted a guaranteed top 6 role?