Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[TheNumber4]

Seravalli says that Edmonton won't stop the search with Klingberg. They want a big impact defender and, if Klingberg is not it, they will keep looking. He says that Bowman is looking for a defender that gives the team an Ekholm level of impact. I really think this may just be a test run for Klingberg

We definitely can't sign Klingberg and just call it a day. He'll be given a trial run and anything less than completely hitting it out of the park should mean we keep shopping. Very likely he won't hit it out the park too, this will likely be a project.

 

[Dirk Dangler]

Shooting ability looks good. 10 goals in 67 games in his last healthy year (?). 10.3% shooting in Anaheim that year.

Just the last 2 games you had Josh Brown sift into the high slot, with perfect shooting opportunities only to hit crest and pad. Give Klingberg that same shot, maybe get an extra goal.

This is what I don’t understand. How can anyone get upset about trying a free asset. An asset that is replacing Josh brown on the depth chart right now. Best case scenario Klingberg is revitalized after successful surgery and we get an ace. Worst case scenario, he replaces Brown for a bit and becomes depth. Or we send him down and lose him to waivers. Zero risk.

 

[TheNumber4]

This is what I don’t understand. How can anyone get upset about trying a free asset. An asset that is replacing Josh brown on the depth chart right now. Best case scenario Klingberg is revitalized after successful surgery and we get an ace. Worst case scenario, he replaces Brown for a bit and becomes depth. Or we send him down and lose him to waivers. Zero risk.

Peeps are probably just scared it becomes our final finishing touch on D. But it won't be that, the Oilers will keep their doors open to other possibilities.

 

[McTonyBrar]

As it should be. That was my one concern with Klingberg, the timing of it. Someone said he would sign in two weeks, and that doesn't give a lot of time to integrate and evaluate him before TDL. If he is their guy for now, they need to get him signed ASAP and figure out if he is the solution or not.

I'm liking what I'm hearing though.

It sounds like he's going to sign tonight or tomorrow from what 2 Mutts have been saying

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Klingberg ..... ? really?

maybe this team is dumber than I thought

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Klingberg ..... ? really?

maybe this team is dumber than I thought

Why?

We heard this same sentiment about Kane and Perry and those worked out pretty well.

What is the downside? It isn't like it's being announced "Klingberg is the Oilers trade deadline aquisition. Expect no further moves"

 

[K1984]

Klingberg ..... ? really?

maybe this team is dumber than I thought

Definitely stupid to bring in experienced depth at a low cost.

Why would that make any sense.

 

[ManOfSteelI]

Why?

We heard this same sentiment about Kane and Perry and those worked out pretty well.

What is the downside? It isn't like it's being announced "Klingberg is the Oilers trade deadline aquisition. Expect no further moves"

Big difference, IMO. Kane and Perry still had positive metrics on their previous team prior to coming over.

It hasn't just been a recent injury situation for Klingberg, this goes back for quite some time...

 

[TheNumber4]

Klingbergs previous Playoff runs are interesting:

13GP 2G 7A 9P
26GP 4G 17A 21P
7GP 0G 1A 1P
4GP 1G 3A 4P

The year he only had 1 pt apparently he was saddled with a shit defenceman in Joel Hanley (now a Flame lol).

 

[Cerebral]

Bringing in Klingberg for $1M or less seems like a no-brainer. It won't cost us anything and if he doesn't work out, we still have all of our assets for the trade deadline and we can drop him down to the minors with no cap concerns.

If Klingberg magically does look like he can play top 4 minutes (which I don't see as likely), then we can potentially pivot from acquiring a defenceman and look for another scoring forward or even a goaltender depending on how Skinner is playing at that time.

Best Case Scenario: Klingberg solidifies the 2nd pairing with Nurse and we have cap space to spend on a forward

Medium Case Scenario: Klingberg slides in as a #7 and completes with Brown and Stecher for minutes. We still have cap space at the deadline for a defenceman.

Likely Scenario: Klingberg looks like he's past his best-before date, we drop him down to the minors, and then spend the remaining cap on a defenceman.

 

[stewy04]

I went on the leafs board to see how they are doing and there was an honest comment that Marner is the 2nd best player in the league behind McDavid. Lol. They melt down like some of us as well ....

 

[VeteranPresence]

Definitely stupid to bring in experienced depth at a low cost.

Why would that make any sense.

Instead of loving every move Bowman makes (and doesn't make) why don't we just look at... facts:

Big difference, IMO. Kane and Perry still had positive metrics on their previous team prior to coming over.

It hasn't just been a recent injury situation for Klingberg, this goes back for quite some time...

But sure, I totally believe the Holy Trinity of Cichocki, Kassian, and Kearney. They definitely steered us right with the Brown and Dermott signings.

 

[K1984]

Instead of loving every move Bowman makes (and doesn't make) why don't we just look at... facts:



But sure, I totally believe the Holy Trinity of Cichocki, Kassian, and Kearney. They definitely steered us right with the Brown and Dermott signings.

Sure.

Fact - Klingberg is an experienced player at a low price at zero acquisition cost that at worst provides organizational depth and at best might provide something to the roster.

 

[ManofSteel55]

For those all against Klingberg, you gotta remember, he's a FREE asset. And at one point, he was a very good Top 4 player on Dallas. He's our Corey Perry/Evander Kane player we get every year for free. And if it doesn't work out? We still got our assets to improve the roster still. I don't see how this is a loss in any way.

It's like you have 2 choices, you pay for McDonalds meal or have home cooking from your mom that you absolutely love for free. Which one would you choose?

I'm fine with signing Klingberg, as long as 1) his cap hit can be completely buried if he sucks, and 2), our GM isn't so tied to this new signing that he is afraid to waive him and send him to Bakersfield if he sucks.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Sure.

Fact - Klingberg is an experienced player at a low price at zero acquisition cost that at worst provides organizational depth and at best might provide something to the roster.

You just completely ignored the actual data and went with your own unsupported evaluation of the player. Are you Stan? That seems to be how he operates.

 

[K1984]

You just completely ignored the actual data and went with your own unsupported evaluation of the player. Are you Stan? That seems to be how he operates.

I didn't evaluate the player.

Will wait patiently for you to explain how any of what I said is incorrect.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Instead of loving every move Bowman makes (and doesn't make) why don't we just look at... facts:



But sure, I totally believe the Holy Trinity of Cichocki, Kassian, and Kearney. They definitely steered us right with the Brown and Dermott signings.

I guess when you ignore any good moves and just focus on the bad ones so you can cry about it over and over on here, it looks worse than it is.

 

[McDoused]

Oh hey, thats pretty much what I was saying.

For those all against Klingberg, you gotta remember, he's a FREE asset. And at one point, he was a very good Top 4 player on Dallas. He's our Corey Perry/Evander Kane player we get every year for free. And if it doesn't work out? We still got our assets to improve the roster still. I don't see how this is a loss in any way.

It's like you have 2 choices, you pay for McDonalds meal or have home cooking from your mom that you absolutely love for free. Which one would you choose?

I would eat both but thats probably why im gaining weight.

 

[Jarvi]

You just completely ignored the actual data and went with your own unsupported evaluation of the player. Are you Stan? That seems to be how he operates.

He didn't give some unsupported evaluation, he laid out the range in which Klingberg could effect this roster. Worst case he is nothing, best case he helps us. How is that unsupported or even in question?

We all see your "data". There is nuance to these things though. The year he fell off, is around the same time Heiskenan came in and took over, they didn't play together a lot. Those stars teams were deep with good defensive players but not so much offensive guys for someone like Kling to work with if he wasn't getting the minutes with Benn/Seguin. Lots of 40pt guys but not much more than that.

Then you have covid, which I think should be a year that has an asterisk next to it for nearly everyone considering the format the league took.

Next comes his contract year, he produced well but was seemingly a pylon in the d-zone. Not the first guy to have a bad contract year, and wouldn't be the first to rebound after one.

I think we can all agree that his stats on the Ducks have an asterisk. Many thought Fowler was washed from his time there, and he looks great in STL. Kling had great numbers with Minny that year.

Then TO, where he got 14 games before going down for this surgery. That doesn't help you evaluate how he could perform here, at all.

What I'm trying to say is there may be reasons for his stats to fall off a bit before he went down for the injury. We also don't know how long this had been effecting his play. This is a guy that ended up losing out on millions, and who knows this is his last chance to claw some of that back. Give me someone who has that level of hunger driving them, with a history of elite play, and I will bet on them every time, especially when the bet is essentially free.

 

[FunkyChicken]

Klingberg only has to out compete Brown and Regula to gain a roster spot.
League minimum is fine for a 7th D.
If he turns out to be more, bonus.
If he turns out to be less, minors. No biggie.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He didn't give some unsupported evaluation, he laid out the range in which Klingberg could effect this roster. Worst case he is nothing, best case he helps us. How is that unsupported or even in question?

We all see your "data". There is nuance to these things though. The year he fell off, is around the same time Heiskenan came in and took over, they didn't play together a lot. Those stars teams were deep with good defensive players but not so much offensive guys for someone like Kling to work with if he wasn't getting the minutes with Benn/Seguin. Lots of 40pt guys but not much more than that.

Then you have covid, which I think should be a year that has an asterisk next to it for nearly everyone considering the format the league took.

Next comes his contract year, he produced well but was seemingly a pylon in the d-zone. Not the first guy to have a bad contract year, and wouldn't be the first to rebound after one.

I think we can all agree that his stats on the Ducks have an asterisk. Many thought Fowler was washed from his time there, and he looks great in STL. Kling had great numbers with Minny that year.

What I'm trying to say is there may be reasons for his stats to fall off a bit before he went down for the injury. We also don't know how long this had been effecting his play. This is a guy that ended up losing out on millions, and who knows this is his last chance to claw some of that back. Give me someone who has that level of hunger driving them, and I will bet on them every time, especially when the bet is essentially free.

Pretty much.

Bringing him in on a 1m contract is a low risk high reward move, I’m all for it especially if the oilers will keep looking for a more impact D also.

 

[VeteranPresence]

I didn't evaluate the player.

Okay so it was nothing, you presented nothing.

Will wait patiently for you to explain how any of what I said is incorrect.

There are literally a thousand "experienced" players with a "low price at zero acquisition cost". Look at any AHL or KHL roster. The trick is in determining which of the thousand is worth acquiring, because you can't possibly sign and try them all. This is where data comes in, and as you admit you have provided none.

You just like the move because Stan is rumored to be doing it, that's it, that's all this is.

 

[K1984]

Okay so it was nothing, you presented nothing.



There are literally a thousand "experienced" players with a "low price at zero acquisition cost". Look at any AHL or KHL roster. The trick is in determining which of the thousand is worth acquiring, because you can't possibly sign and try them all. This is where data comes in, and as you admit you have provided none.

You just like the move because Stan is rumored to be doing it, that's it, that's all this is.

Comical alleging that I like this move because Bowman made it while it seems that the only reason you're throwing a tantrum over it is for that exact reason.

No, experienced NHL players that can still play in the NHL don't exist on AHL or KHL rosters. That's why they're in the KHL or AHL. Those players are either working their way into the league or are now out of it. Klingberg could very well be there in a few weeks if he comes here and struggles (hint - the simple zero risk concept that you're struggling to comprehend).

Building on the concept of zero risk (which again, you're struggling with) - Klingberg can be signed AND the team could go out and still sign the magic AHL/KHL player that you think is available and is going to come in and make an impact.

Not complicated (for some).

 

[Oilhawks]

Not sure why some in this fanbase are opposed to the team signing scratch tickets. Granted I don’t actually see their posts so I imagine it’s the usual whining. If healthy, Klingberg might be as good as second pairing D, and if not, 3rd pair / 7D / minors / claimed

 

[K1984]

Not sure why some in this fanbase are opposed to the team signing scratch tickets. Granted I don’t actually see their posts so I imagine it’s the usual whining. If healthy, Klingberg might be as good as second pairing D, and if not, 3rd pair / 7D / minors / claimed

I think it's lingering PTSD from when we sucked. Some have conditioned themselves to panic at every move because it must be bad because the Oilers made it. There was a good 10 year stretch where that thought process wouldn't have really even been all that misplaced.

Rather than take a breath, it's easier to fly off the handle assuming it's just all gonna be bad.