Do you still prefer him at the cost of a 1st round pick or Sam O'Reilly?
Doesnt really matter because this is a false dilemma (illogical) and you could have both if you wanted to.
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Do you still prefer him at the cost of a 1st round pick or Sam O'Reilly?
Doesnt really matter because this is a false dilemma (illogical) and you could have both if you wanted to.
I think it all depends on the contract Klingberg would accept.
If its a buryable amount, theres no harm.
That's exactly my point. The expectation (and reports are) that it's at or near a league minimum contract. He's literally a free asset and you can bury him if it doesn't work.
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I watched a lot of his games in TO. Fans wanted him scratched. He was playing that bad.
The injury helped them.
I still don't see it happening even if it would be awesome to see EK65 as an Oiler.
I don't know who or what exactly that the Oilers will have to move in order to get that top four Dman. I'm just saying they have more money to spend and I'd still rather use that money elsewhere and not on Klingberg.
That's fair. I never liked Josh Brown or his signing to begin with.
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Okay I say this with the caveat that I OVER-offered cause it's the mains. If you try to fleece on the mains, you get instant nos and zero consideration or dialogue.
My offer was this:
For EK65 @ $5M for 2 1/2 years:
2026 first-round pick (From the Oilers)
2025 second-round pick (From the Blues)
2025 third-round pick (From the Blues)
Beau Akey (Good Trending 2nd Round Pick Prospect)
Troy Stecher (Decent RH 3rd Pair PMD)
And for the retention, based on the costs to dump Walman and Ceci this year, an additional:
2026 second-round pick (From the Oilers)
2026 third-round pick (From the Oilers)
I think the additional 2026 second and third could be taken out of the deal altogether
This would give us EK65, a 2 Time Norris Winner on our 2nd pair for the next two years @ 5M. His skating is still 99th percentile in the League THIS year, so I am not worried about drop off in ability for the length of this contract.
The offer above was an instant yes by Pens fans. And one saying Dubas would probably take less. And he would, consider that this is what Dubas paid for EK65 in the first place without retention:
Pittsburgh sent:
2024 first-round pick
Mikael Granlund (2x$5M Cap Dump)
Jan Rutta (2x$2.75M Cap Dump)
Mike Hoffman (1x$4.75 Cap Dump)
2025 Second-round pick to Montreal
Legare to Montreal (Nothing prospect)
DeSmith to Montreal (Backup Goalie)
Pittsburgh got EK65 @ $10M + Third Round Pick + Pitlick (Nothing Prospect) + Hamuliak (Nothing Prospect).
Dubas comes out ahead by flipping Karlsson. He gets a net 2 3rd Round Picks, Akey, Stecher Plus was able to dump 3 cap dumps on the Sharks without paying.
When was the last time a player got moved for the bolded? That's exactly why I don't see it happening. It would leave the cupboards as dry as the desert. Especially ours that is pretty below average after Ken Holland and Wright masterclass of managing the team.
I still die a little inside with the '1 for 1' Hall for Larsson deal years ago.
This is quite possibly true. My thinking is that we are playing Josh brown in an 11-7 split right now. It would be very little risk putting Klingberg in there in a trial run to see where he’s at. Obviously the scouting team would have to do their due diligence and see where he’s at. But if he’s truly healthy and could get close to where he was at in Dallas, we could have something. Klingberg too, if he’s healthy and ready to go must be able to see the opportunity on this squad with a hole at 2RD. Could be a fit if it all worked out. If it doesn’t, then we pony up for the same trade at the deadline that we are expecting right now.
What restaurants? It's a bar. Your reading comprehension is lacking. Her OEG fashion line is based here too.
I know, right? I want my dark mode back!
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TheNumber4
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Good. The cost will be MUCH less then. Even better for us. And I think we can get Ek65 for less than my offer. A 1st for sure needs to go and a prospect in Akey. Maybe take out a 2nd and a 3rd then.
My offer retains Savoie and Sam O Reilly who I will NOT part with. I think that's decent for our cupboards moving forward.
Keep in mind we are getting EK65 for 2 1/2 Years. And are asking Pitts to eat $5M for 2 years. That's a pretty sizeable retention too. And it's a premium position RHD that we haven't filled for a decade for a premium player with Norris's under his belt. Gotta pay to get.
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Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-EK65
Kulak-Emberson
What D core in the League is going to beat that if we pull it off?
And what can EK65 do for our depth scoring? He carried an AHL team in San Jose and put up a 100 points. Our depth scoring would increase too with him playing minutes with Line 2 and Line 3. Ek-Bouch playing minutes with McD's line 1.
Nurse-EK65
Kulak-Emberson
What D core in the League is going to beat that if we pull it off?
And what can EK65 do for our depth scoring? He carried an AHL team in San Jose and put up a 100 points. Our depth scoring would increase too with him playing minutes with Line 2 and Line 3. Ek-Bouch playing minutes with McD's line 1.
Haha, idk brother. I'd still be personally shocked if Ek65 is an Oiler. To this day, I still have no idea who the Oilers are truly targeting on the back end. Maybe it could be EK65 this time when the Oilers were rumored to be circling between Chychrun/EK65 years ago but then randomly pulled for Ekholm instead. I guess we'll see.
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Honestly, there's been zero chatter about EK65 LOL. I'm probably just day dreaming here for my ideal build. But analyzing Pitts position and our position, I think we can do it. I'm not saying the Oilers will do it though, they likely won't.
That's my point, lol.
I would love for Bowman to go fully all in considering our previous boneheaded GM spent 5 years in a row making annual excuses on why he couldn't pull the trigger for the big fishes while other teams somehow found ways to do so. I don't see Kane coming back 100% to play this season after recovering from all of his injuries unless he's able to be ready to play in the playoffs (Mark Stone 2.0 LTIR cap circumvention, hehe?) That leaves a good amount of $$$ to use for the right players with Kane's contract being on the shelf.
Another top 6 forward (In before Taylor Hall, haha) would be really nice since Skinner just can't get out of Knoblauch's dog house, but I'd want to shore up that hole on the top 4 D first, a new backup preferably a 1B to send Pickard down in the AHL where he belongs, and another bottom 6 fast player in the mold of Drew O'Connor would be great also. I hope Philp can handle the 4C duties as at least that would negate any future Carricks/Bjugstads 2.0 such as Michael McCarron.
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I just love the fit so much so I harp on it. I see his addition as having huge impacts throughout out line up. Filling a gaping hole at 4RHD. Boosting our depth scoring. Boosting Drai Lines 5v5 dominance to go along with McD lines 5v5 dominance. Giving Nurse a perfect synergy partner, Nurse will cover for EK65's defensive softness, EK65 will cover for Nurse's lack of offensive prowess. It's more of a dream for me than a reality for me I will admit, I'm just trying to make it a reality lol.
There is definitely an argument to spread the wealth when it comes to the TDL of course too, doing multiple smaller upgrades in multiple areas.
Yeah, bullshit. They already have their lifetime RD contract in Weegar, who says Andersson even re-signs if they are losers again next year?
My thoughts? Andersson's play has dropped off since the beginning of the season when he was on fire and their was chatter about how big a haul the flames could get for him if they decided to move him. He started on fire at PPG for the first ten games, then fell to 8 pts in 33 games and a heavy minus player. Teams are probably offering less than he feels he is worth, so is using a possible extension as a negotiation tactic, knowing there isn't a ton of RD available on the market.
Gotta say, I like the spirit. I just don't think the Oilers brass has the stones for a move like that. It could set us up for multiple cups, or it could burn us for years. Like we could probably get Matheson for half that or less, saving assets for another shot if he doesn't work out or to acquire a top 6 fwd.
I have been a proponent of getting EK65, but my one concern (that he has somewhat lessened this year) is that he seems to be a guy that needs to be the one controlling play to be most successful. Not that we need him to be a 100pt guy, but you look over his career and he was always at his best when he controlled play nearly entirely. In Ottawa he had a good mix of guys like Stone and Pageau who could play support roles as good as anyone, and pure shooters like Hoffman. He looked like shit in SJ until the minute Burns was gone, I'm sure injuries and whatnot played a part too but the timing is a little sus. In Pitt his numbers are pretty good, but not what you'd expect after he racked up 100pts the year prior and then got to play with another 2 guys good for 160pts together.
Idk, every time I watch him I'm impressed. But the guy is a future HOFer of course I'll be impressed, and would be stoked to get him. But that's something that has concerned me whenever he gets brought up.
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Oilers need to keep an eye on the future. But that future MUST include consideration that Drai's extension kicks in next year, Bouchard and McDavid's the year after. This will be our last year where all 3 players will be on cheaper contracts. Which means this is our last best Cup or Bust year. With that in mind and extensions to McDavid ensuring our future, we need to have an eye on going ALL-IN right now. So maybe the Oilers go for the home run?
Also, just reviewing my offer outside of the purview of Pens fans. I think it could be more so like this compared to Dubas original acquisition cost:
2026 first-round pick (From the Oilers)
2025 second-round pick (From the Blues)
2025 third-round pick (From the Blues)
Beau Akey (Good Trending 2nd Round Pick Prospect)
Troy Stecher (Decent RH 3rd Pair PMD)
The bolded was likely gonna go for another defenceman anyways, we are paying a premium for something that is actually right handed and someone with Norris's and retention.
Does that completely shut down moves at next years TDL? I don't know. Win a Cup and we fill alot of needs in Free Agency too and our biggest hole at 4RHD is already accounted for. Then there's always waiver guys and guys that shake loose like Podz close to the waiver wire.
You are right though, EK65 at his 100 pt form is the result of him being THE guy on his team. QBing entire 5v5 possessions with everything running through his hands and his vision. On a team that tries to be a team like the Pens he's 55-60 pt guy. And is likely that again on the Oilers (less PP time but better talent to work with). But that's why he's also coming in at $5M and not $10M or $11.5M in San Jose... so it's atleast accounted for with the cap hit. A 55 pt or even 50 pt RHD is nothing to scoff at though, that's still an extremely impactful player for any squad.
And yes by eye he's extremely impressive every time i watch him. Pinpoint outlets. Controlled and skilled possession nearly every time. Skates like the damn wind.
I think back to how much of a difference maker he tried to be in those Ottawa Senators playoff runs. And I imagine that he would find another level with a Chance at the Cup. A guy with his skill-set, might really take off when a Cup is on the line. It's that potential that so entices me, what could he do playing for a Cup besides McDavid and Draisaitl? Could be something special, he has the ability to make it special.
So, hypothetical time. Say we do end up with Klingberg on a buriable deal for the rest of the season. 2 weeks from now (when he is rumored to make a decision) puts us around the 30th when we play Detroit. That leaves us 12 games until the trade deadline, including that Detroit game. Is that enough time to really evaluate this player for the role he will be taking on, considering his history? Say he has 5+pts at evens and is a solid + player, looking the part of a solid top 4 guy beside Nurse with the team winning. Do we still pick up a Dman? Or do we roll the dice on him continuing that pace and maybe get a different #7 to replace Stecher and go big game hunting for a forward?
Idk, just doesn't seem like a lot of games to really tell how a guy who hasn't played hockey in a year will handle a hard playoff push, even if we get very lucky and he does look great off the hop. It's a pretty critical piece, and with our lack of assets we need to get it right.
Klingberg definitely feels like an Oilers move though.
Idk, just doesn't seem like a lot of games to really tell how a guy who hasn't played hockey in a year will handle a hard playoff push, even if we get very lucky and he does look great off the hop. It's a pretty critical piece, and with our lack of assets we need to get it right.
Klingberg definitely feels like an Oilers move though.
Took a pill in Sbisa
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Because they take up roster spots? You want to lose Stecher to waivers for the chance that Klingberg can tread water? Klingberg couldn't defend before he was injured.
I didn't make any personal attacks on anyone and don't appreciate that narrative. I'm allowed to voice my opinion here.
Care to name some examples of mid players missing entire years and making immediate impacts?
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You didn’t say anything about offer sheets. What I was saying is the thought that somehow Bouchard not scoring at last years pace will somehow reduce his negotiating power. It won’t. He’s an RFA and if Oilers lowball like they did Broberg/Holloway, there will be team waiting to throw an offer sheet at him.
Dude, I want EK65 so bad. He is the perfect fit.
I disagree in this situation. Bouchard has shown he performs in the playoffs. He is an important cog in the Oilers powerplay. In my mind, and based on offer sheets this summer, we aren’t negotiating with Bouchard- we are trying to compete with with offer sheets he could receive. He is only 24 years old and, as mentioned, has already proven he can play in the playoffs and generate offence from the back end.
Someone posted earlier in the thread (sorry I can’t remember who) about Columbus being a third party broker. Ones can move the entire 10M cap off of their books, Columbus retains 50% to help them get to the cap floor next year. It’s 3.9M and 3.1M in real dollar retention.Ahem... while were on the subject of poor defensive analytics defenceman. Can I just say that two Pens fans have accepted my offer for EK65 @ 50% ($5M). And have even said that my offer (doable with our assets) was TOO much to offer for Karlsson and Dubas would probably take less. I often over-offer on the mains just to see where a fanbase sits on a player instead of trying to fleece them and get instant nos. I think there's a path to EK65 if the Oilers decide to explore it. By the time we add EK65 we wont even NEED to defend
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I see what you’re saying- but who cares at this point in time. All chips in. I’ll worry about our cupboards in 4-5 years when those prospects would have been ready to play…if they make it. Draft picks are overrated outside the first round.
Love it!
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Yeh maybe CBJ would be a better/cheaper broker than going through Pittsburgh. Pitts does have the retention slot for it, but if they are merely retooling and still trying to build a team to squeeze the last years out of Sid they might want to keep their cap clean. Meanwhile CBJ has an insane amount of cap space.. hmm. So obviously the cost of EK65 @ 10M goes way down compared to @5M from Pitts, then you spend a bit more to get it to fit our Cap in CBJ. I like it.
