Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[TheNumber4]

Yup. Trade him so he can go be elite elsewhere, I guess.

20 pts through the first 2 rounds of the playoffs, the most by a defenceman in NHL History. Finishing with 32 points on the top pair of team that went to the SCFs while being completely solid defensively. People have such short memories lol. Bouch will find his game again, no doubt about it.

 

[Fourier]

Ah so that's the distinction. That money deferred is calculated at the PV. Didn't realize that with the CBA. So obviously it's technically within the rules. Just need a willing participant.

Yes. It is explicitly permitted within the CBA.

 

[Fishy McScales]

A 4D, a goalie, and a 3C. That should be all be achievable but Stan needs to start right the hell now. The prices are only going to go up closer to the deadline and we need to try and take some of the pressure off McDrai every night ASAP by building out our depth.

O'Reilly
Akey
Savoie (for someone with term)

EDM 1st 2025/26
STL 2nd 2025
STL 3rd 2025
EDM 2nd 2026

We have the assets let's go spend them.

You know what else goes up by the deadline? Our cap space.

 

[Jarvi]

Nvm

 

[K1984]

20 pts through the first 2 rounds of the playoffs, the most by a defenceman in NHL History. Finishing with 32 points on the top pair of team that went to the SCFs while being completely solid defensively. People have such short memories lol. Bouch will find his game again, no doubt about it.

He is a playoff performer for sure, steps up as much as any of the other stars on this team.

We don't get by the Nucks without him. He was outstanding in that series.

 

[dem]

I don't even give the Bouchard haters an ounce of thought.

Not even worth discussing.

 

[5 14 6 1]

I don't even give the Bouchard haters an ounce of thought.

Not even worth discussing.

He's a frustrating player at times, but you lose him and you are looking for another Bouchard for 15 years

 

[bucks_oil]

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE if the Oilers used it to reduce long term contracts for our core players. But realistically, it's a tall ask of the player. Still, the Oilers would be negligent not to try for it. Here's hoping.

I don't see it's a tall ask for the player... they can use it to drive up their total compensation significantly AND reduce their tax burden.

In Bouchard's case, round numbers, he's saving the team $1M x 8 years on the cap, but he will eventually pocket $2M x 8 = 16... so he's getting 8M extra that the team could not otherwise afford and he'll be taxed less on that $16M deferred salary than he would if he earned it upfront.

It's a proverbial win-win.

For the guys in the $3M range and American players playing in Canada, it's an even bigger proportional win... Let's say I'm going to make $3M over a ten year career... but I defer $1M each year...

If I don't defer, then I'll be taxed 48% of every dollar past $362/year. So I'll pay 48% x ($3M - $362K) = $1.27M of those dollars after $362K. Plus the blended tax rate on the $362K (let's say for argument it is 40%)... so total tax is about $1.41M/year x 10 = $14.1M of my total career earnings of $30M. In the end I earned $15.9M

But if I defer, it's an even bigger win...
* I still pay 40% of $362 x 10 years = $144.8 x 10
* but now I pay 48% on only ($2M - 362), or $655K x 10
* and then later I earn 1M x 10 years, but that is taxed in the USA at:
* a blended rate of about 30% on the first $240K or $72K/year x 10years
* a rate of 35% on the amount above ($1M - 240K) or $760 x 35% = $266K x 10 years
The total is: ($144.8 + $655 + $72 + $266) x 10 = $11.38M in taxes. I earned $18.6M, plus arguably I got more in the negotiation in the first place by reducing the team's cap hit.

The Oilers are going to be in a world of hurt if Bouchard is signing for 10M and on top of that 2M deferred? lol

Whoosh!!!

C'mon Canovin. You know I was just using simple math for the sake of things. Maybe I should have done $8+2M instead. That probably works out to a cap hit similar to Nurse.

 

[oXo Cube]

He is a playoff performer for sure, steps up as much as any of the other stars on this team.

We don't get by the Nucks without him. He was outstanding in that series.

He was out of this world good the entire run. I know people are aware he was strong but I don't think they realize just how strong. The Oilers were +15 5v5 With Bouchard on the ice in the 2024 playoffs. With him off the ice they were -14. That's some prime Pronger shit. When he wasn't playing with Bouchard McDavid had an xGF% of 35.

Evan hasn't had a great half season here but letting this guy go would be an all time stupid mistake from an org that already has a few of those up there on the contention list.

 

[bucks_oil]

Jesus this team is so @#$@ed if they're paying the awesome tandem of nurse and bouch 19 mil lmao . 10 mil for a hard slap shot that maybe hits the nets , were so @$#$ed. sorry mcdavid, thats all I can say

 

[K1984]

He was out of this world good the entire run. I know people are aware he was strong but I don't think they realize just how strong. The Oilers were +15 5v5 With Bouchard on the ice in the 2024 playoffs. With him off the ice they were -14. That's some prime Pronger shit. When he wasn't playing with Bouchard McDavid had an xGF% of 35.

Evan hasn't had a great half season here but letting this guy go would be an all time stupid mistake from an org that already has a few of those up there on the contention list.

He's like most players on the team - starts poorly then gets better as the season goes on.

I've certainly had my frustrations with him this year, but he has a multi-year track record of pulling it together.

 

[bucks_oil]

Deferrals don’t really lower the cap hit.

To sign draisaitl to a deferral deal he would’ve had to get paid 16m a year with like 5m a year deferred and still have a cap hit of 14.

Sure they can...

In your example, if Drai accepted $16M a year, with 5/year of that deferred until he expects to retire (which would be wise from a tax perspective)... say $5M annually beginning in year 13... that works out to $13.66M on the cap.

But Draisaitl will now earn $128M rather than $112M. Which would he rather have?

And what if they settled at $120M total rather than $128M. Drai still earns $8M more in total, but the cap hit is now $12.66M

And you could defer the salary for longer too,...

If Drai wanted $15/year, but thought $10M was enough to live on... and he deferred $5M/year to be paid in $2.5M chunks every year from age 40 to age 56, the cap hit would be $12.167M

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Sure they can...

In your example, if Drai accepted $16M a year, with 5/year of that deferred until he expects to retire (which would be wise from a tax perspective)... say $5M annually beginning in year 13... that works out to $13.66M on the cap.

But Draisaitl will now earn $128M rather than $112M. Which would he rather have?

And what if they settled at $120M total rather than $128M. Drai still earns $8M more in total, but the cap hit is now $12.66M

And you could defer the salary for longer too,...

If Drai wanted $15/year, but thought $10M was enough to live on... and he deferred $5M/year to be paid in $2.5M chunks every year from age 40 to age 56, the cap hit would be $12.167M

Most likely the money now, money now is always more valuable than money later.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Not sure if it was posted, but the Oilers are still sniffing around Marcus Pettersson.

 

[frag2]

He's like most players on the team - starts poorly then gets better as the season goes on.

I've certainly had my frustrations with him this year, but he has a multi-year track record of pulling it together.

Some posters here...once they've decided xyz player is the one they'll hate, they'll hate them forever.

I mean you got a poster here that shits on Drai EVERY game it seems

 

[TheNumber4]

Not sure if it was posted, but the Oilers are still sniffing around Marcus Pettersson.

I wonder if that site is just sourcing the same Travis Yohe rumour from a month ago. But reasonable to assume if the Oilers were interested in him a month ago, nothing would change on that front.

For a second year in a row the Nucks look like they’re shopping for the same thing we are. Hopefully they drop out of the playoff race so they don’t inflate the market like last year.

Pettersson is interesting, I’ll have to watch him some more if I can keep my eyes off of right D super stud EK65…

 

[FlameChampion]

Not sure if it was posted, but the Oilers are still sniffing around Marcus Pettersson.

Feels like its going to be an underwhelming TDL to me

 

[VeteranPresence]

Not sure if it was posted, but the Oilers are still sniffing around Marcus Pettersson.

MP would be a VERY nice pickup. Add in Acciari or Lizotte and we'd be cooking:

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Pod-Drai-RV
Skinner-Henrique-Kapanen (Kane when healthy)
Janmark-Lizotte/Acciari-Brown
Perry, Ryan (Kap becomes a black ace in the ploffs)

Ek-Bouch
Nurse-Pettersson
Kulak-Emberson
Stecher

 

[McDoused]

Jesus this team is so @#$@ed if they're paying the awesome tandem of nurse and bouch 19 mil lmao . 10 mil for a hard slap shot that maybe hits the nets , were so @$#$ed. sorry mcdavid, thats all I can say

You might want to go cheer for another team if you think this team is screwed.

 

[bucks_oil]

Most likely the money now, money now is always more valuable than money later.

Gee whiz... $1 today is worth more than $1 tomorrow? Wow!

But we aren't talking about 1 vs 1. We're talking about 112 vs 128, and ALL of the dollars are in the future. So you discount them each back to today.

Any financial advisor worth their salt would see that both the total AND the net present value are greater for the deferred option... he would be foolish to choose option 1.

 

[Fourier]

Most likely the money now, money now is always more valuable than money later.

Not necessarily. It completely depends on the players ability to reduce their tax liability in the future.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Not sure if it was posted, but the Oilers are still sniffing around Marcus Pettersson.

Well good thing we are still inquiring and not standing pat Tambo style

 

[stewy04]

He's like most players on the team - starts poorly then gets better as the season goes on.

I've certainly had my frustrations with him this year, but he has a multi-year track record of pulling it together.

He knows he's got way more then 82 games to play!

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Blackwood, a guy a lot of people sh** on here, moves into the top 5 in most metrics (Min 20 GP).

He was about 15th on SJ. Middle of the pack on a terrible team, but had good stats.

Now moves up to about #5 in a lot of those same stats on a much better team.

Who wuda thunk huh?

Stu has been better the last 1-2 months. He has moved up from 29/30 (30 being last) up to 24th in most

 

[TheNumber4]

Blackwood, a guy a lot of people sh** on here, moves into the top 5 in most metrics (Min 20 GP).

He was about 15th on SJ. Middle of the pack on a terrible team, but had good stats.

Now moves up to about #5 in a lot of those same stats on a much better team.

Who wuda thunk huh?

Stu has been better the last 1-2 months. He has moved up from 29/30 (30 being last) up to 24th in most

For most of last year I was trying to armchair GM dumping Campbell retained on the Sharks with a 1st and 2nd attached for Blackwood. Ceci was included in some of these deals too, dumped to the Sharks. And at the time Sharks fans wanted to do the deal as well.

In retrospect, the Sharks did end up taking Ceci as a Cap dump, and did end up taking a high cap hit Goalie dump in Georgiev. And they did end up moving on from Blackwood, although Askarov was not in the picture yet back then. And they received much less for their troubles than the package I wished the Oilers offered to do just that.

We would have escaped the buyout penalties from Campbell and replaced it with 3x$1M instead. Would have freed up Ceci’s cap hit, allowing us to go after a puck moving RHD like Walker who we are still looking for today.