Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I don't really understand the need for a defenseman. Are they supposed to go up from being one of the top defensive teams in the league?

I think it’s fine now but it’s going to be a war to get out of the western conference.

 

[Cloned]

The kings want to rid themselves of him as (rumors are) he's never been happy there for some reason. It's hard not to be intrigued with anyone that young with size and at least some high-level skills. Edmonton can't carry this guy around on their roster, but I am interested to see if he can bounce back on another team. Also curious why they couldn't have gotten a low-value pick for him.

We’ve seen some interesting players not be traded and waived instead this season.

 

[TheNumber4]

I don't really understand the need for a defenseman. Are they supposed to go up from being one of the top defensive teams in the league?

Do you trust 5’10 Stecher playing a regular role in the playoffs?

All insider chatters and rumors has us targeting a Defenceman. I don’t think it’s necessarily to better our defence, we do that well as a team and a system. The chatter has seemed to point to a puck moving defenceman with some offence to his game. Bob name dropped a Mike Matheson in that regard. So probably the thinking is that our offense can take an uptick with a better offensive defenceman in the 2nd pair. And offense is definately an area that can be improved on this team, a team with McDrai is only sitting around 10th for GF. We are losing our ability to outscore our problems which we’ve had in years passed.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

10 games or 30 calendar days on the roster before he would need to be waived again to be sent down.

Idk, according to puckpedia it sounds like he'd still need to be waived.

If a player has already cleared waivers and hasn't played 10 or more NHL games or been on the NHL roster for 30 cumulative days since clearing, they remain exempt from waivers.

Has he ever been waived?

 

[MessierII]

Idk, according to puckpedia it sounds like he'd still need to be waived.



Has he ever been waived?

At camp he was waived but would need to be waived again because it’s been more than 30 days.

 

[McDNicks17]

At camp he was waived but would need to be waived again because it’s been more than 30 days.

That 30 days is 30 calendar days on the roster, so he wouldn't need to be re-waived for awhile.

Josh Brown is a good example of what they could do with Rodrigue. Brown was waived the same day Rodrigue was, but he's gone up and down a bunch without waivers since then because he hasn't hit the 10 games/30 days on the roster limit.

 

[McFlash97]

There are a lot of things to like about the Nucks current situation, but my favorite of all of them might be the insanely delusional trade proposals like this that I see Nuck fans fart out.

Tough to have a read on the market and players around the league when you just started watching again on about October 20, 2023.

Werenski alone is worth Miller, Petterson and a 1st. Delusional fans man

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Well, he did have 2 goals in the playoffs, so he did bring DOUBLE what Corey Perry did - but was he worth 4 times as much against this years cap? We could have signed someone to less than either of them who probably would have scored more than both of them.

Brown has been good this year and yet he still isn’t worth 4 million dollars.



Our deadline space now is like 1,000,000 based on today’s roster. Because we have guys like Josh Brown hanging around sucking up cap. We can maybe afford to add some depth scrubs at this rate.

Brown was going to cost 3m against the cap whether he was on the team or not.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You apparently don’t understand that bonuses matter in cap calculations in a variety of different circumstances which functionally decreases roster flexibility for an LTIR team coming out of camp, and for the team next year, and for the team this year. Even if a bonus later goes unearned, it can still impact roster flexibility at the beginning of the season. The Oilers are actually paying Corey Perry more than 1.4 million this season because they were apparently as dumb as you last season when mismanaging their bonuses, thinking it for some reason didn’t matter.

The Oilers actually have the most bonus overages against their cap this year of any team in the NHL, and those bonuses were easily enough to pay Holloway’s entire salary. So saying bonuses don’t matter, is essentially the dumbest f***ing thing anyone has ever said on this board. We’re all dumber for having listened to it.

As far as the business of hockey goes, there is certainly NOT a single player in the Oilers locker room who wouldn’t have wanted more than 1M dollars this year, especially if they were a 1st round pick who led the team in hits in the playoffs,but I digress.

No Oilers player would have done any differently than Holloway, and so No Oilers player would treat him any differently. They are not redneck hicks who think that a player agent attempting to negotiate a better contract is some sort of excommunicable offence. Literally you will never find a quote from any player suggesting otherwise.

Connor Brown is on pace for 40 points playing mostly on the 3rd line.

Seems pretty good for a 1m player.

 

[McShogun99]

Brown was going to cost 3m against the cap whether he was on the team or not.

Average AAV for Brown over 2 years is 2.5 million. He’s giving us good value over that time.

 

[MessierII]

Connor Brown is on pace for 40 points playing mostly on the 3rd line.

Seems pretty good for a 1m player.

Not even bad for a 4 million dollar player with the way he PK’s too.

That 30 days is 30 calendar days on the roster, so he wouldn't need to be re-waived for awhile.

Josh Brown is a good example of what they could do with Rodrigue. Brown was waived the same day Rodrigue was, but he's gone up and down a bunch without waivers since then because he hasn't hit the 10 games/30 days on the roster limit.

i always thought it was just 30 days either way. Good info. I gotta read up on everything again.

 

[TheNumber4]

Connor Brown is on pace for 40 points playing mostly on the 3rd line.

Seems pretty good for a 1m player.

Average AAV for Brown over 2 years is 2.5 million. He’s giving us good value over that time.

I said early on during Browns production drought last year that the best case scenario would be for Brown to hit his stride later on in the year for us. Then pay us back with a bargain bin contract the following year to make up for the bonus. A couple weeks later Gazzolla had that same thought. Glad to see it actually came to fruition, and Brown pulled through with that bargain bin contract, the benefits of acquiring players with character. No doubt something McD, and Hyman were able to vouch for before we got him.

 

[MessierII]

I said early on during Browns production drought last year that the best case scenario would be for Brown to hit his stride later on in the year for us. Then pay us back with a bargain bin contract the following year to make up for the bonus. A couple weeks later Gazzolla had that same thought. Glad to see it actually came to fruition, and Brown pulled through with that bargain bin contract, the benefits of acquiring players with character. No doubt something McD, and Hyman were able to vouch for before we got him.

He was very vocal in the locker room from the clips we’ve seen. Him and Hyman are the vocal leaders in the room.

 

[Yuke]

How does any team prepare for offer sheets for players like Holloway and Broberg? About the only examples of players like Holloway or Broberg signing an OS would be the Kesler OS in 2006 and Bernier in 2008. But even so both of those guys were more established.

I was pretty sure Broberg was gone the minute he signed. Holloway I thought they would match when they dealt Ceci. It would be interesting to know what the reaction around here would have been had they signed Holloway for $2M and Broberg for say $2.7M in June. I suspect that this place would have blown up.

They could have easily turned into a Yammy or JP.

 

[TheNumber4]

He was very vocal in the locker room from the clips we’ve seen. Him and Hyman are the vocal leaders in the room.

Yup just seems like a good team guy. And his deployment and acceptance of various roles on this team, and perseverance through an extremely frustrating year also speaks to that.

I am banking on a similar type, good player/good character acquisition in Arviddson. With input on the player provided by Ekholm this time around. He’s going to prove out to be an important addition to this core imo.

 

[McHelpus]

He certainly has a heavy shot.

Oh Mike Smith lmao

 

[Jumptheshark]

Average AAV for Brown over 2 years is 2.5 million. He’s giving us good value over that time.

but in reality he is costing 1 mill in actual cap and then that nasty bonus overage from last year

 

[TheNumber4]

They could have easily turned into a Yammy or JP.

Ehh I think Holloway was much more obviously an NHL player than Yamo ever was. There was always question marks about Yamo as an NHL player, I had them early on watching his playing style. A small player who doesn’t use IQ/awareness/skill or whatever you want to call it to navigate traffic and avoid contact. He was small like Kane and Gaudreau with no ability to avoid the physicality of playing in the NHL. His hot start first season had me fooled for a bit that maybe he could weather all the contact and be an NHLer. But ultimately the physicality did him in.

With Holloway it was always pretty apparent he was going to be a player. The size and skating were NHL quality off the hop, the hope was for more production to come. And I think with him being able to show he could produce during the playoffs, it cemented that the production was right around the corner. The Blues made a very easy, zero risk bet with Holloway.

 

[McDoused]

but in reality he is costing 1 mill in actual cap and then that nasty bonus overage from last year

Both are true. No reason to say that your point of view is reality and therefore suggesting that their perspective isn't.

No matter what some fans will complain and focus on the negative. If you want to bitch about Brown costing us 4.23M this year then we should appreciate how insane a deal he was on last year at only 775k.

As pointed out if you averaging that money to 2.5M over the 2 years that's pretty good value. It's like buying something online fot a crazy deal but then complaining that shipping cost too much. Overall it's still a good deal but we need something negative to complain about.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I wouldn't touch that physically weak, mentally weak, emo Petey at all.

He's basically a ppg player at best. Wilts. Paid too much.

Vancouver fans are delusional, but if they trade him, some idiot gm will overpay.

 

[Soundwave]

Gibson just put up a .973 against the best offense in the NHL with a D corps in front of him that sucks balls.

He wants to play here in Edmonton too.

How f***ing sure are you that Stuart Skinner is really the next coming of Grant Fuhr? Because if you can add this guy for 50% retained (better for Anaheim to only pay 50% of his salary instead of 100%) it would give you a shit-ton more insurance for winning a Cup in McDavid's prime years.

3.2 million is not a lot of money, we're paying Henrique and Skinner about the same to play bottom 6 roles.

Yes he had some bad seasons in Anaheim after getting shelled for *years* there, there's no living modern day goalie who doesn't have bad seasons on really bad teams. Carey Price had some and he generally still had at least OK d-corps for most of his time there. Asking a goalie to be .910+ every year on a bottom 5 team is a ridiculous ask, no one can do that without breaking at least for a period.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Gibson just put up a .973 against the best offense in the NHL with a D corps in front of him that sucks balls.

He wants to play here in Edmonton too.

How f***ing sure are you that Stuart Skinner is really the next coming of Grant Fuhr? Because if you can add this guy for 50% retained (better for Anaheim to only pay 50% of his salary instead of 100%) it would give you a shit-ton more insurance for winning a Cup in McDavid's prime years.

3.2 million is not a lot of money, we're paying Henrique and Skinner about the same to play bottom 6 roles.

Yes he had some bad seasons in Anaheim after getting shelled for *years* there, there's no living modern day goalie who doesn't have bad seasons on really bad teams. Carey Price had some and he generally still had at least OK d-corps for most of his time there. Asking a goalie to be .910+ every year on a bottom 5 team is a ridiculous ask, no one can do that without breaking at least for a period.

Skinner has a .964 against Colorado and a 0.955 against Tampa this year if you want to use a one game sample size

 

[Soundwave]

Skinner has a .964 against Colorado and a 0.955 against Tampa this year if you want to use a one game sample size

Yeah but he is also proven to be unreliable at times. He doesn't have the ability to be "that guy" all the time. Gibson also plays behind a significantly worse team with worse defensive play.

In that case, you are better off having 2 options which raises your odds than at any time one of the two will be the hot hand.

I'm not sure why we are so hellbent on trying to prove a point that you can win with the cheapest goaltending imaginable for a contender. Lets just win the damn thing first, I don't care if anyone looks back at the team after the fact and holds it in some special esteem for team building. Give zero f***s about that.

If we had Gibson in the Finals I think he could turn one of the 4 losses we suffered into a win. Just one maybe, but that's all it takes. When he is hot he is a bit like Roloson, he gets really hot.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Both are true. No reason to say that your point of view is reality and therefore suggesting that their perspective isn't.

No matter what some fans will complain and focus on the negative. If you want to bitch about Brown costing us 4.23M this year then we should appreciate how insane a deal he was on last year at only 775k.

As pointed out if you averaging that money to 2.5M over the 2 years that's pretty good value. It's like buying something online fot a crazy deal but then complaining that shipping cost too much. Overall it's still a good deal but we need something negative to complain about.

Actual vs theory

 

[Spawn]

Both are true. No reason to say that your point of view is reality and therefore suggesting that their perspective isn't.

No matter what some fans will complain and focus on the negative. If you want to bitch about Brown costing us 4.23M this year then we should appreciate how insane a deal he was on last year at only 775k.

As pointed out if you averaging that money to 2.5M over the 2 years that's pretty good value. It's like buying something online fot a crazy deal but then complaining that shipping cost too much. Overall it's still a good deal but we need something negative to complain about.

Brown at league minimum last season would have been about right for a guy who scored 12 points in the regular season and was a healthy scratch into the 2nd round of the playoffs. Even when he did get into the lineup he essentially provided the value of a 4th liner who played great on the PK.