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Bryanbryoil

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At the time Bennett was the #2 ranked prospect while Draisaitl was fighting for 4th/5th with Dal Colle from ISS, Central Scouting, The Hockey News, Bob McKenzie's list, and even this site when it still ranked prospects lol. In hindsight when you actually read the scouting report contents it blows your mind how the big center who was strong on the puck and was considered the highest hockey iq player/best passer in the draft wasn't the consensus 1st overall pick, in an era where players like Joe Thornton and Anze Kopitar were considered the prototype modern NHL center. There was always some weird justification like Draisaitl's skating being weird (which turned out to be an overblown concern) or being lazy (probably just looked that way due to his slow, methodical playstyle).

Honestly, I was worried about Draisaitl's development until the Memorial Cup happened. The Oilers had a long history of rushing players and poor development at that time. Funnily enough, MacT burning Draisaitl's ELC possibly saved us some cap space too, because he would've likely costed a whole lot more after back to back 70 point seasons.
Drai's skating took time and Ekblad was seen as a very high end prospect because IIRC he got an exemption to play in the OHL a year early. In the end it was a strong draft class but Drai is the cream of the crop. His combination of size, skill and work ethic as well as playing with and being pushed by Connor has made him an incredible player.
 

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Draisaitl wasn't an easy pick. He was the big center that everyone wanted but he had cement for boots and rarely used his shot.
Draisaitl was the highest scoring CHL player in the draft. The only reason people wanted Bennett was his “grit” which isn’t exactly something that will seamlessly translate to the NHL when you’re so small you can’t do a pull up. Bennett has actually panned out about as well as can be expected but he never had the high end talent Leon had.
 

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Oh for sure. There were some people on this board who thought Bennett was going to be significantly better than Drai.
I'm sure there were. I liked Drai. Unfortunately Bennett played a major role last spring. He took allot of grief over that failed pull-up.
 

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Drai's skating took time and Ekblad was seen as a very high end prospect because IIRC he got an exemption to play in the OHL a year early. In the end it was a strong draft class but Drai is the cream of the crop. His combination of size, skill and work ethic as well as playing with and being pushed by Connor has made him an incredible player.
The main issue with Draisaitl was the skating. The league was moving more and more to skating, and that a player might be able to be slower and stack up points in the CHL but would bomb against NHL competition. Many who criticized the pick said that his skating would be his downfall and that it was likely always to be a problem with him.

In fairness I believe that Draisaitl had a unique combo of work ethic to improve his skating and awareness to adapt the rest of his game to follow suit. We had prospects whose issue was skating and it was always an issue. If Drai didn't adapt he would have topped out as bottom six C who could maybe cut it as a slower winger in the top six, which is what he looked to become in his rookie year
 

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I was full on Leon. (I was also full-on Yak and JP so there is that). And yes we were definitely in the minority.
I wasn't on the Yak train initially but came around late. I didn't do much "scouting" for the Jesse draft but I REALLY liked Laine and was hoping that we'd somehow get him.
 
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I wasn't on the Yak train initially but came around late. I didn't do much "scouting" for the Jesse draft but I REALLY liked Laine and was hoping that we'd somehow get him.
Yah, I'd have picked Laine over JP but once JP fell I was big on the pick. Tkachuk was the guy I had my eye on as I watched him a lot in Junior, with Sergachev next on the list.

I watched a lot of Yak in his draft -1 year. He really impressed me. As it turns out that draft was a disaster. A trade was probably the best way to salvage that pick.
 
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Yeah Stauffer reported multiple times that Chiarelli famously made all the decisions himself without any sort of committee or other voices in the room. He was hyper independent and the rest of the front office was out of the loop with his transactions.
How much of that is PR though?

Bobby Nicks bragged to the fan base that the Koskinen extension was a team effort when he was off to a hot start and then completely flip flopped and told the fans at the season ticket holder event that Chia basically locked himself in his office alone to get Koskinen signed after his play started to dip.
 

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Draisaitl was the highest scoring CHL player in the draft. The only reason people wanted Bennett was his “grit” which isn’t exactly something that will seamlessly translate to the NHL when you’re so small you can’t do a pull up. Bennett has actually panned out about as well as can be expected but he never had the high end talent Leon had.
I will give Bennett a ton of credit, in that he reinvented himself during the course of his career and finally found his true hockey self in Florida. He knew he was never going to be a big time scorer, so he toughened up and became a physical menace while showing glimpses of his draft pedigree from time to time.
 

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Yah, I'd have picked Laine over JP but once JP fell I was big on the pick. Tkachuk was the guy I had my eye on as I watched him a lot in Junior, with Sergachev next on the list.

I watched a lot of Yak in his draft -1 year. He really impressed me. As it turns out that draft was a disaster. A trade was probably the best way to salvage that pick.
You certainly weren't alone. From what I recall, Yak was pretty much the consensus first overall pick by central scouting and pretty much everyone out there. from my viewings as well, he looked fantastic. (the most famous one against it was Brian Burke, who boldly stated that Morgan Reilly would turn out to be the best of the bunch) Had the Oilers went off the board (as they so often did), the howling would have been unbearable. For once, I wish they would have gone off the board in that case.:D

How much of that is PR though?

Bobby Nicks bragged to the fan base that the Koskinen extension was a team effort when he was off to a hot start and then completely flip flopped and told the fans at the season ticket holder event that Chia basically locked himself in his office alone to get Koskinen signed after his play started to dip.
Bobby drank way too much of the local sewer water and it affected his thinking.
 

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I wasn't on the Yak train initially but came around late. I didn't do much "scouting" for the Jesse draft but I REALLY liked Laine and was hoping that we'd somehow get him.
Laines career would be completely different if he were an Oiler. Drai - McDavid - Laine would score at an unreal level, never would have had confidence issues because he’d be a 40-50 goal scorer every year.
 
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Laines career would be completely different if he were an Oiler. Drai - McDavid - Laine would score at an unreal level, never would have had confidence issues because he’d be a 40-50 goal scorer every year.
The problem though, is that he probably couldn't stay healthy. The guy is made of glass.
 

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How much of that is PR though?

Bobby Nicks bragged to the fan base that the Koskinen extension was a team effort when he was off to a hot start and then completely flip flopped and told the fans at the season ticket holder event that Chia basically locked himself in his office alone to get Koskinen signed after his play started to dip.

Based on everything Bob Nicholson showed during his time in Edmonton, I would say its far more likely that he was trying to take credit for something he didn't actually have a part in.

Because there were so few opportunities to.
 
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Based on everything Bob Nicholson showed during his time in Edmonton, I would say its far more likely that he was trying to take credit for something he didn't actually have a part in.

Because there were so few opportunities to.
The only thing Bobby Nicks seems to have ever done for us, was use his “connections” to get Holland…. Who we still had to pay him to the point of being the highest paid GM in the League and who can’t find a job immediately leaving Edmonton.

He came in here saying he would improve Scouting and player development, and seemingly nothing has changed. More changes on that front has happen under JJ than anything Bobby did.
 

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I'm surprised to read there was apparently discussion about Draisaitl v Bennett. The Oil were always going to go big centre (with wing versatility) to complement Nugent Hopkins at middle ice. Saw lots of Draisaitl in the Dub including the Prospects Game. Knew he would be a very good player but never saw this super elite level. The pick was going to be Draisaitl or Reinhart, whichever fell.

The Puljujarvi draft seemed fortuitous with C-Bus opting for the big centre/wing (always build through the centre of the ice with high end lottery picks). I felt Laine was the real gem but wasn't going to fall. Saw Tkatchuk at the Memorial Cup in Red Deer play through on one leg and thought I was watching McDavid's winger for the next decade. Then watched the draft as Canuckles opted for the overrated Juolevi and swore at my tv knowing future turtle was going to be a problem in Calgary. But apparently the Oil pick was to be Sergachev (with intel from Rocky Thompson) had Dubois been there at #4.

Bought the ticket for the Yakupov hype train. But liked Dub d-men Murray and Rielly but zero chance the Oil were rolling the dice on Rielly with his major injury and stunted draft eligible season.

Lots of what if's with Oilers drafting. But sticking the Draisaitl pick has been transformational (duh!)
 
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