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[TopShelfGloveSide]

Yes sure. Strawmanning my arguments is a dick move. Back it up with some evidence or stfu. I’ll talk about any goal scored on Skinner and give my thoughts, we can debate them up and down if it’s even required. I’ll give you my reasoning in detail. It’s not bias and I’d appreciate if you stopped slandering me for bias. If a muffin goal is a muffin goal I’ll call it out as one. If it’s of the “would have like a save there, but can’t blame skinners on a 2 on 1” I’ll say that too, and would say the same for any goalie in this league if I was in objective analysis mode.

I mean every single stat backs up what I say and your evidence is “my analysis.” Then you have the parts to say you are objective.

 

[TheNumber4]

Defending a guy with "he was so bad, he saved the team", is quite the ringing endorsement.


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Well this place considers 2 on 1 east-west one tees into empty nets as muffins. So excuse while I give zero shits that you can’t see it.

I mean every single stat backs up what I say and your evidence is “my analysis.” Then you have the parts to say you are objective.

Sorry what stats are those exactly? The ones that say he’s been below average to start the year that I agree with? Those stats? How bout the stats that say he’s been above average to elite in his 2nd half of the season, any acknowledgment from you or is that just ignored?

Ultimately it paints a picture for a 3rd year in a row that Skinner is an average goalie. I think that’s accurate looking at the stats. So what’s more objective? Me callin him an average goalie? Or the Stu haters calling him the worst goalie in the league and compete trash?

 

[VeteranPresence]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I don't know how anyone could have watched Stu play the last three years and not have seen (or admit to having seen) him allow more than his share of Charmin soft goals.

Like, this was TWO WEEKS ago. Two!!!

 

[Soundwave]

Defending a guy with "he was so bad, he saved the team", is quite the ringing endorsement.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

We haven't had good management since 2006, that's not exactly news, if we didn't get Draisaitl and McDavid we'd be Buffalo right now though (maybe worse), you tell me which you'd prefer.

 

[TheNumber4]

I don't know how anyone could have watched Stu play the last three years and not have seen (or admit to having seen) him allow more than his share of Charmin soft goals.

Like, this was TWO WEEKS ago. Two!!!

Obvious bad goal is obvious. Now show highlights of him getting beat on a 2 on 1 one timer into an empty net, and watch how dumb it is to put that goal against in the same category as the one you just posted.

 

[Ibanez]

That Jeff skinner interview was hard to watch.

What interview?

 

[McDoused]

What interview?

 

[belair]

I mean not really. If Chiarelli had taken Tkachuk, even with all his other stupid moves, they probably eventually win a Cup.

He also could have taken any one of DeBrincat, Boeser, Barzal, Kyle Connor, Aho etc. and looked at all those players and said "nope".

The team had a lot of lucky opportunities fall into their lap in 2015 and 2016 frankly and they took 0 advantage of any of them.

The Oilers had a lot more going for them than say what the Blackhawks have with Bedard. That's an actual bad situation.

This discussion wasn't about Chiarelli. It was a comment on your strange fixation of MacTavish, that always seems to paint him in a positive light. He was a horrendous manager that left the Oilers in its worst state in the franchise's history.

 

[Soundwave]

This discussion wasn't about Chiarelli. It was a comment on your strange fixation of MacTavish, that always seems to paint him in a positive light. He was a horrendous manager that left the Oilers in its worst state in the franchise's history.

Not really, they had a fair amount of good young talent and tons of draft capital and the hockey gods even aligned to put extremely high end players in the 15 and 16 drafts just sitting there for them.

If they had hired almost literally anyone but Chiarelli they could have had Dougie Hamilton for dirt cheap too at the 2015 draft on top of getting Cam Talbot for peanuts too.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Well this place considers 2 on 1 east-west one tees into empty nets as muffins. So excuse while I give zero shits that you can’t see it.


Sorry what stats are those exactly? The ones that say he’s been below average to start the year that I agree with? Those stats? How bout the stats that say he’s been above average to elite in his 2nd half of the season, any acknowledgment from you or is that just ignored?

Ultimately it paints a picture for a 3rd year in a row that Skinner is an average goalie. I think that’s accurate looking at the stats. So what’s more objective? Me callin him an average goalie? Or the Stu haters calling him the worst goalie in the league and compete trash?

Every goalie stat. Please enlighten me if there is a goalie stat Skinner isn’t near the bottom in.

His “below average” start… what an understatement. There’s a reason his stats are still in the toilet despite having an “elite” month. He was that bad.

 

[TheNumber4]

Every goalie stat. Please enlighten me if there is a goalie stat Skinner isn’t near the bottom in.

His “below average” start… what an understatement. There’s a reason his stats are still in the toilet despite having an “elite” month. He was that bad.

So does sample size not matter to define a goaltender in your myopic and cherry picked view? He’s got two straight seasons of average to above average play. He likely will trend back to above average after a rough start like he did last year. He’s .06 away from hitting league average save percentage after that rough start, and you think that translates to him being a bottom tier goalie? -6 of his -5.8 GSAx came from two early season games where he and the team were completely torched. Take those out and he’s about average again like he’s always been. Don’t take them out and he’ll trend back to that average level anyways.

 

[TB12]

This discussion wasn't about Chiarelli. It was a comment on your strange fixation of MacTavish, that always seems to paint him in a positive light. He was a horrendous manager that left the Oilers in its worst state in the franchise's history.

This. MacT was f***ing HORRIBLE. Full stop.

Every goalie stat. Please enlighten me if there is a goalie stat Skinner isn’t near the bottom in.

His “below average” start… what an understatement. There’s a reason his stats are still in the toilet despite having an “elite” month. He was that bad.

There's no reasoning with the Skinner fanboys. Stuuuuu gets to play behind a team that gives up almost nothing and then when every breakdown ends up in the net, well it wasn't his fault. It's never his fault.

I have never seen such a thoroughly mediocre goalie have such an insane fanclub and cheering section. I actually think his relatives post on here. Or Oiler fans have forgotten what actual competent 'tending looks like. He's a 1B, that's it.

 

[Soundwave]

This. MacT was f***ing HORRIBLE. Full stop.

I mean he saved the team by taking Draisaitl over Bennett which is basically more than any other GM here has done. Without that, where are we? I don't think McDavid is even here even if they win the draft lottery in 2015, he'd be gone by now like Eichel booked it out of Buffalo.

Chiarelli had a dynasty gift wrapped for him but he killed himself with those 2015 and 2016 drafts, the hockey gods served up golden opportunities and the Oilers basically whiffed on all of them.

Nurse at 7 in the 2013 draft was also largely the correct move.

 

[TB12]

I mean he saved the team by taking Draisaitl over Bennett which is basically more than any other GM here has done. Without that, where are we? I don't think McDavid is even here even if they win the draft lottery in 2015, he'd be gone by now like Eichel booked it out of Buffalo.

Chiarelli had a dynasty gift wrapped for him but he killed himself with those 2015 and 2016 drafts, the hockey gods served up golden opportunities and the Oilers basically whiffed on all of them.

And that makes up for his 100 other horrible moves?? I'm very glad he chose Drai and that's it. MacT was HORRIBLE and this team finally started to heal when he was purged.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I agree with Tony (No that is not me). Arvidsson has found his game and I think he's only going to get better now IF IF he does not get injured again.

 

[oilers4life5]

Bring back pool party!!!

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

So does sample size not matter to define a goaltender in your myopic and cherry picked view? He’s got two straight seasons of average to above average play. He likely will trend back to above average after a rough start like he did last year. He’s .06 away from hitting league average save percentage after that rough start, and you think that translates to him being a bottom tier goalie? -6 of his -5.8 GSAx came from two early season games where he and the team were completely torched. Take those out and he’s about average again like he’s always been. Don’t take them out and he’ll trend back to that average level anyways.

HOW AM I CHERRY PICKING?! I’m talking about the whole season. You are the one cherry picking one good month to try and say he hasn’t been hot garbage this year.

I’m not saying he’s a bottom tier goalie but he’s played like one this season and that is just a fact.

 

[TB12]

HOW AM I CHERRY PICKING?! I’m talking about the whole season. You are the one cherry picking one good month to try and say he hasn’t been hot garbage this year.

I’m not saying he’s a bottom tier goalie but he’s played like one this season and that is just a fact.

There's no reasoning with the Stuuuuuuuu Moustache Fan Club. He's super great and all of us are haters because we want a goalie who's not a 1B at best to try and help this club win a Cup.

 

[TheNumber4]

HOW AM I CHERRY PICKING?! I’m talking about the whole season. You are the one cherry picking one good month to try and say he hasn’t been hot garbage this year.

I’m not saying he’s a bottom tier goalie but he’s played like one this season and that is just a fact.

You’re using a 10 games sample size to say he’s the worst goalie in the league compared to my 2 and half year sample size to say he’s about average. Oh that “1 month” by the way equates to about half the season.

Posters did that last year too when they couldn’t figure out that Woody defence is different than Knob defence and that makes a difference in a goalies performance.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

You’re using a 10 games sample size to say he’s the worst goalie in the league compared to my 2 and half year sample size to say he’s about average. Oh that “1 month” by the way equates to about half the season.

Posters did that last year too when they couldn’t figure out that Woody defence is different than Knob defence and that makes a difference in a goalies performance.

I just said I’m talking about his whole season. Including his “elite” month his numbers are still in the toilet. Is that or is that not true? Again.. The only person cherry picking is you.

lol when in our debate did I say he’s the worst goalie in the league.

 

[TheNumber4]

There's no reasoning with the Stuuuuuuuu Moustache Fan Club. He's super great and all of us are haters because we want a goalie who's not a 1B at best to try and help this club win a Cup.

Actually the only reason coming from that side.

What’s more objective? Calling Stu an average goalie and having 2 and half years off of stats to back that up? Or calling him the worst goalie in the league and having 10 game sample to back that claim?

The comparison gets even worse when you go through all the game by game goals agains analystic where literally any goal, doesn’t depend on the situation, or the shooter, or breakdown in defence in front of the goalie is called a bad goal.

 

[belair]

Not really, they had a fair amount of good young talent and tons of draft capital and the hockey gods even aligned to put extremely high end players in the 15 and 16 drafts just sitting there for them.

If they had hired almost literally anyone but Chiarelli they could have had Dougie Hamilton for dirt cheap too at the 2015 draft on top of getting Cam Talbot for peanuts too.

They had one of the worst farm systems in the league at the time. The draft history paints the picture pretty vividly. And Dougie Hamilton wasn't elevating the crap defense the team had in 2015, nor would MacT have traded for him knowing Justin Schultz was eventually going to be the Norris defensemen he said he'd be.

Regardless of the rose-colored spin if what could've been, MacT's Oilers were the worst that roster has been. He was an awful manager who never should've had the opportunity to begin with.

 

[Soundwave]

They had one of the worst farm systems in the league at the time. The draft history paints the picture pretty vividly. And Dougie Hamilton wasn't elevating the crap defense the team had in 2015, nor would MacT have traded for him knowing Justin Schultz was eventually going to be the Norris defensemen he said he'd be.

Regardless of the rose-colored spin if what could've been, MacT's Oilers were the worst that roster has been. He was an awful manager who never should've had the opportunity to begin with.

They could have drafted any one or two or three of Tkachuk, Barzal, Aho, DeBrincat, Connor, Boeser in 2015 or 2016, all of those guys were just sitting there and the Oilers said nope to all of them.

Can't cry about not having a good farm system when that's how you get gift wrapped bumper crop drafts and you don't take advantage.

Justin Schultz did play a top 3-4 D role on two Cup winning teams as well.

 

[K1984]

Yes sure. Strawmanning my arguments is a dick move. Back it up with some evidence or stfu. I’ll talk about any goal scored on Skinner and give my thoughts, we can debate them up and down if it’s even required. I’ll give you my reasoning in detail. It’s not bias and I’d appreciate if you stopped slandering me for bias. If a muffin goal is a muffin goal I’ll call it out as one. If it’s of the “would have like a save there, but can’t blame skinners on a 2 on 1” I’ll say that too, and would say the same for any goalie in this league if I was in objective analysis mode.

Even attempting to have an objective view of Skinner means you're a "fanboy" or some bullshit. People here have lost the plot.

 

[CycloneSweep]

They had one of the worst farm systems in the league at the time. The draft history paints the picture pretty vividly. And Dougie Hamilton wasn't elevating the crap defense the team had in 2015, nor would MacT have traded for him knowing Justin Schultz was eventually going to be the Norris defensemen he said he'd be.

Regardless of the rose-colored spin if what could've been, MacT's Oilers were the worst that roster has been. He was an awful manager who never should've had the opportunity to begin with.

MacT made one single positive move as GM and that was Draisaitl. Outside of that he had 2 abysmal drafts and was bad enough it lead to Chiarelli