Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[VeteranPresence]

Yep. Its not happening. Even if a goalie was brough in, it would be to replace Pickard. They arent going to bring in anyone to challenge Skinner. The organization and the media treat him like hes Sorokin or something.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over Pickard being moved in a trade, because that goalie will automatically be better than Skinner if he's at all an upgrade on Calvin.

Of course, our coach will actually need to play that goalie rather than letting Stu continually get away with murdering his own team's chances most nights, but that's a different problem.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

 

[Soundwave]

Some people are able to look at numbers like SV% and W%, look at them in context, and then understand why a better goalie might not have the same numbers as the worse goalie. In this case, it isn't even that hard to figure out. Unfortunately, you don't seem to be one of them.

Let me help you out. Look at Skinner's game logs, and take a moment to think about the frequency he plays, the quality of opponent, the amount of shots he faces, and the distribution of quality starts (hint - he's been on a run of good play for over a month now).

Stuart Skinner Stats And News

Conversely, look at Pickard's game logs and take a moment to think about the frequency he plays, the quality of opponents, the amount of shots he faces, and the distribution of quality starts.

Calvin Pickard Stats And News

A few moments of critical thought beyond "hIs SAvE% iS hIGeR!" might help you come to the obvious conclusion that Skinner is playing better hockey than Pickard and it isn't even close.

Lol, no. He's not much better than Pickard if at all. Skinner is basically David Riitich.


Also "stats don't matter because I don't like what they say" is also a fun take.

 

[Ibanez]

Even though it makes no sense and he’s not been very good. I just have such a soft spot for that guy. Infectious smile and likeable person. I hope he finds success somewhere

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Facts:

-74th in Goals Saved Above Expected (36th last year)
-59th in Save Percentage Above Expected (42nd last year)
-74th in WAR (37th last year)
-70th in Low Danger Save Percentage Above Expected (53rd last year)

That would be a second straight year of well below-average performance. But sure, let's focus on his save percentage from three seasons ago.

This is acceptable amongst most fans. As long as it reaches a tad above average by seasons end.

Never ind that it represents inconsistency, which is the opposite of what you need come playoff time

Poor JP. Pittsburgh must have used him wrong too. Someone sign and free JP

 

[bobbythebrain]

Exactly like Yak in Colorado

Despite being productive on Pittsburgh, he gets scratched for no reason.

Just another example why people need to watch hockey vs relying on stats

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I’d rather take a run at Vejmelka over Ingram. Besides him or Blackwood (who is gone now) I am not sure who could be targeted. Unsure if Buffalo would move UPL.

Sure, I'm not sold on Blackwood, but vejmelka requires an extension and that could be expensive, Ingram is cost controled.

I do like the idea of UPL, but that depends on buffalo

 

[Stoneman89]

Europe beckons. Maybe he can suit up with Yak and some of the other "superstars" that were mistreated so badly here and have an exOiler team.

 

[Fourier]

We will never know for sure, but I personally don’t think they ever planned on matching either player.

I think they probably knew they needed to move Ceci for cap reasons. I think they just made it look like they could match Holloway to get the extra pick and prospect from St. Louis.

I think when both players teamed up to put the Oilers in a bad spot, it was the end for both of them. I think from the Oilers perspective both players leveraging them crossed the line.

I could be wrong obviously.

Or you could well be right. My own feeling is that they gave Holloway a second thought but Broberg was gone.

 

[Soundwave]

Taking Puljujarvi over Tkachuk was a franchise altering move (not in a good way).

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Taking Puljujarvi over Tkachuk was a franchise altering move (not in a good way).

Puljujarvi was the consensus pick there. You can't blame them for making it. I blame them for rushing him.

Draisaitl over Bennett was also franchise altering.

 

[Soundwave]

Puljujarvi was the consensus pick there. You can't blame them for making it. I blame them for rushing him.

Draisaitl over Bennett was also franchise altering.

One wonders who between Puljujarvi and Tkachuk Mac T would have taken.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Puljujarvi was the consensus pick there. You can't blame them for making it. I blame them for rushing him.

Draisaitl over Bennett was also franchise altering.

Actually he wasn't the minute CBJ passed on him. Just like Shane Wright, several teams followed suit.

Also, it's already been well established he wasn't rushed. He admitted that, so did his agent that didn't put in any work from the input of the team. He just did his own thing

JP is to blame, not the org

 

[belair]

One wonders who between Puljujarvi and Tkachuk Mac T would have taken.

MacT would've taken Juolevi. It's odd how fond you are of MacT considering his hands are all over the decade of darkness.

 

[Soundwave]

MacT would've taken Juolevi. It's odd how fond you are of MacT considering his hands are all over the decade of darkness.

I mean not really. He wasn't GM for the majority of those years. He probably (inadvertantly) saved our rebuild by forcing the team down so that they landed Draisaitl and McDavid, if that didn't happen we'd be Buffalo. I don't think he'd take Juloevi because he had already drafted Nurse at LD.

 

[TheNumber4]

Puljujarvi was the consensus pick there. You can't blame them for making it. I blame them for rushing him.

Draisaitl over Bennett was also franchise altering.

You kinda can though. Cause a guy like Yarmo was able to interview him and realize he’s perjative slurred.

 

[belair]

I mean not really. He wasn't GM for the majority of those years. He probably (inadvertantly) saved our rebuild by forcing the team down so that they landed Draisaitl and McDavid, if that didn't happen we'd be Buffalo.

McDavid is an Oiler because of the lottery balls. We were nowhere near the favorites to win the right to draft him.

The OBC was the one and only reason that the Oilers needed to essentially start from scratch after the McDavid draft. The cap situation, the defense and the prospect depth were all in shambles. MacT was a virus on the organization.

 

[TheNumber4]

If they could get Quick, and have him channel his last bit of energy into ANYTHING close to his younger self, this team wins a Stanley Cup.

Last time we saw Quick we were shooting muffins through him easilly.

 

[Soundwave]

McDavid is an Oiler because of the lottery balls. We were nowhere near the favorites to win the right to draft him.

The OBC was the one and only reason that the Oilers needed to essentially start from scratch after the McDavid draft. The cap situation, the defense and the prospect depth were all in shambles. MacT was a virus on the organization.

I mean not really. If Chiarelli had taken Tkachuk, even with all his other stupid moves, they probably eventually win a Cup.

He also could have taken any one of DeBrincat, Boeser, Barzal, Kyle Connor, Aho etc. and looked at all those players and said "nope".

The team had a lot of lucky opportunities fall into their lap in 2015 and 2016 frankly and they took 0 advantage of any of them.

The Oilers had a lot more going for them than say what the Blackhawks have with Bedard. That's an actual bad situation.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Last time we saw Quick we were shooting muffins through him easilly.

You would have a laundry list of excuses for Skinner if he let those muffins in though.

 

[TheNumber4]

You would have a laundry list of excuses for Skinner if he let those muffins in though.

No I wouldn’t. Cause those goals went through Quick on easy shots, and that doesn’t happen often with Skinner. And they did, I’ll call it out as a soft goal the moment I see them, and do.

Skinners issue is again, not enough big saves. It’s NOT letting in muffins, he does well with the shots he’s expected to save. He does not do well enough on making steal saves, making big saves that would be hard for any goalie in this league.

 

[McDoused]

That Jeff skinner interview was hard to watch.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

No I wouldn’t. Cause those goals went through Quick on easy shots, and that doesn’t happen often with Skinner. And they did, I’ll call it out as a soft goal the moment I see them, and do.

lol sure

 

[TheNumber4]

lol sure

Yes sure. Strawmanning my arguments is a dick move. Back it up with some evidence or stfu. I’ll talk about any goal scored on Skinner and give my thoughts, we can debate them up and down if it’s even required. I’ll give you my reasoning in detail. It’s not bias and I’d appreciate if you stopped slandering me for bias. If a muffin goal is a muffin goal I’ll call it out as one. If it’s of the “would have like a save there, but can’t blame skinners on a 2 on 1” I’ll say that too, and would say the same for any goalie in this league if I was in objective analysis mode.

 

[TB12]

I mean not really. He wasn't GM for the majority of those years. He probably (inadvertantly) saved our rebuild by forcing the team down so that they landed Draisaitl and McDavid, if that didn't happen we'd be Buffalo. I don't think he'd take Juloevi because he had already drafted Nurse at LD.

Defending a guy with "he was so bad, he saved the team", is quite the ringing endorsement.

No I wouldn’t. Cause those goals went through Quick on easy shots, and that doesn’t happen often with Skinner. And they did, I’ll call it out as a soft goal the moment I see them, and do.

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