Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[McTonyBrar]

Guys give it a rest. We are not getting a new goalie. With how Skinner has played in the last 12-13 games, management won’t go for a new one.

Bitch and complain all you want. I’ve done the same. But, we aren’t getting a new goalie.

Maybe we should all stop panicking over a goalie who is 26 years old and makes 2.6 million.

 

[Mr Positive]

Guys give it a rest. We are not getting a new goalie. With how Skinner has played in the last 12-13 games, management won’t go for a new one.

Bitch and complain all you want. I’ve done the same. But, we aren’t getting a new goalie.

Maybe we should all stop panicking over a goalie who is 26 years old and makes 2.6 million.

Our D core has played well all year too, longer than Skinner has been decent, so should we expect no move there either?

I don't get why Skinner's salary should matter. Yes, he is a bargain. The cap goes away in the playoffs. Besides, cap management is a totally different issue than making sure the team has the right skill in the right positions.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Blackwood didn't have above a .902 save pct, since last decade before this season, it's way too premature to say that he's as good as people say he is.
He's a talented guy but he hadn't been a viable NHL goalie for like 4 seasons before this year. Jack Campbell, who was also a talented goalie that had mental issues handling the position like Blackwood, had better numbers before signing the big contract so it's quite a risk for a guy with a small track record of success. It's a reasonable gamble for the Avs but it could easily blow up in their face.

I’m aware of his sv % and I get the hesitation. I have always liked Blackwood though. I just always thought he needed the right place.

It’s a calculated risk for sure. So is going into the playoffs with a goalie with a career 894 in the playoffs who is currently sporting an 895.

 

[TB12]

Our D core has played well all year too, longer than Skinner has been decent, so should we expect no move there either?

I don't get why Skinner's salary should matter. Yes, he is a bargain. The cap goes away in the playoffs. Besides, cap management is a totally different issue than making sure the team has the right skill in the right positions.

Yup. I don't know how hoping they find a guy that can tandem with Skinner is an unreasonable ask or something that shouldn't be talked about.

 

[soothsayer]

I did say Ullmark before going to Boston. Putting up a great save percentage on a horrible team shows something. That's the method that got us Roloson

I doubt they brought up Ullmark in negotiations, but just remember that this year's 5 million is similar to what we were giving Koskinen, in cap percentage. The Avs wanted term, so they had to give an optimistic dollar amount, but its not a lot of cap.

If we traded for Blackwood, we could have waited for him to show great stats over time and given him a show me deal of maybe 3 million x1 or 2

Ullmark's numbers with Buffalo are still miles better than Blackwood's. And Ullmark received his $8M contract after putting up 3 excellent years and winning a Vezina. I don't see anything in Blackwood's numbers what would justify a $25M contract for fear that he could end up somehow establishing himself as the next Ullmark, who had many years of legitimate starter's numbers.

 

[FlameChampion]

I’d really like to see Bowman/Jackson do something about this forward core.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Guys give it a rest. We are not getting a new goalie. With how Skinner has played in the last 12-13 games, management won’t go for a new one.

Bitch and complain all you want. I’ve done the same. But, we aren’t getting a new goalie.

Maybe we should all stop panicking over a goalie who is 26 years old and makes 2.6 million.

Another stinker today. We can’t f*** around here any longer, the position is too important and the stakes too high not to at least acquire a Hill type and just see what happens.

Skinner is sewering us this year and the holiday break has done nothing to reset him mentally. This has to be it, no more do-overs.

 

[Oilhawks]

“Where’s the goaltending tandem” should be the name of the next one, IMO

 

[Oilhawks]

I’d really like to see Bowman/Jackson do something about this forward core.

Bowman has done some decent work around the edges of the lineup IMO (Podkolzin, Kapanen and Emberson), but would like to see him make a bigger move to shake up the forwards a bit more

Skinner contract is a bit of an anchor from JJ

Still, would like to see an upgrade to the bottom 6 FW, 2nd pairing D and a true tandem goalie to take some pressure off of Skinjob

 

[FlameChampion]

Bowman has done some decent work around the edges of the lineup IMO (Podkolzin, Kapanen and Emberson), but would like to see him make a bigger move to shake up the forwards a bit more

Skinner contract is a bit of an anchor from JJ

Still, would like to see an upgrade to the bottom 6 FW, 2nd pairing D and a true tandem goalie to take some pressure off of Skinjob

Yeah that’s what I was eluding to. Think the forward group needs a bit of shake up. If anything clear up some space to use at the deadline.

I think Podkolzin, Perry, Janmark, Brown, Kapanen have done their jobs

But JSkinner clearly doesn’t fit with Knoblauch plan. I really liked Henrique last year but he has struggled this year. I like Arviddson but he’s hurt too much.

Think the team needs to find a way to move JSkinner. But he probably doesn’t want to go to a bottom feeder and another playoff team probably doesn’t want him. But its Jackson and Bowmans job to fix their problem.

I really wouldn’t mind giving Philp and Savoie a look and sitting Ryan/JSkinner.

 

[belair]

I'm split on what should be done with Jeff Skinner. I think he's pretty hyped at the potential of being on a team that's poised to make some noise in the postseason. But I'm not sure he makes the opening night roster Game 1, assuming a healthy roster.

Very minor problem and one we're probably fortunate to have. He's still a guy who could get hot and end up potting 20 this year. But right now he looks bad when he's playing bad.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Blackwood's time in NJ was a bit more complicated. He put up some good numbers in Jersey but his body of work was limited. They got Markstrom because he was available, and that whole time the Devils were in chaos due to injuries.

If you look at Blackwood's raw demonstrated ability, he's very close to where Ullmark was when Boston got him. Iirc same injury question mark too

It's way to early to assume that the rest of his career will mirror Ullmark, but I guess the Avs are convinced enough to take this gamble now and save millions in AAV later

When goalies 'figure it out' they tend to have long careers. Colorado made a bet he figured it out and I think it's a good bet.

 

[McHelpus]

Trade Jeff Skinner.

That is all

 

[oilers4life5]

I really don’t understand our coaches decisions at all. Some of his mistakes as so obvious.

I'm split on what should be done with Jeff Skinner. I think he's pretty hyped at the potential of being on a team that's poised to make some noise in the postseason. But I'm not sure he makes the opening night roster Game 1, assuming a healthy roster.

Very minor problem and one we're probably fortunate to have. He's still a guy who could get hot and end up potting 20 this year. But right now he looks bad when he's playing bad.

If he is not played with a playmaker in the top 6 he has no place in this team. Don’t see how that happens if it has not already when Kane comes back it will be even harder. Maybe we just keep him for injury insurance? But that keeps us from asking other addictions.

 

[FlameChampion]

I really don’t understand our coaches decisions at all. Some of his mistakes as so obvious.



If he is not played with a playmaker in the top 6 he has no place in this team. Don’t see how that happens if it has not already when Kane comes back it will be even harder. Maybe we just keep him for injury insurance? But that keeps us from asking other addictions.

I think the only way JSkinner works at this point is if he plays with McDavid and Hyman. For whatever reason it hasnt been tried (much). That being said I dont think McDavid and Hyman are that great of defensive players, so not sure it works there. I'd still like it tried.

I'd rather see RNH with Draisaitl personally (or on the third line). Arvidsson could be moved down to the third line if they want to keep Podkolzin with Draisaitl.

The coaching staff doesnt really want to try JSKinner anywhere though. I dont think Jskinner and Henrique work together.

They need to trade him if they cant find a spot for him.

 

[Oilhawks]

I think the only way JSkinner works at this point is if he plays with McDavid and Hyman. For whatever reason it hasnt been tried (much). That being said I dont think McDavid and Hyman are that great of defensive players, so not sure it works there. I'd still like it tried.

I'd rather see RNH with Draisaitl personally (or on the third line). Arvidsson could be moved down to the third line if they want to keep Podkolzin with Draisaitl.

The coaching staff doesnt really want to try JSKinner anywhere though. I dont think Jskinner and Henrique work together.

They need to trade him if they cant find a spot for him.

Seems like every coach, even “new school” ones like Knob, have stubborn blindspots

Guess JJ and Knob weren’t on the same page with that transaction. Waste of a player

 

[syz]

RNH on the 3rd line wouldn't be terrible at this point. He's not contributing like a 1st line player 5 on 5 this year anyways, and you would think the team would have the pieces up front to ice a 3rd line that could tilt the ice. It would also push Henrique and company to a 4th line matchup.

 

[LTIR]

Seems like every coach, even “new school” ones like Knob, have stubborn blindspots

Guess JJ and Knob weren’t on the same page with that transaction. Waste of a player

Not sure how much it is the coach and how much it is McDavid.
Pretty sure McD would prefer Nuge over Skinner as his linemate. RNH is pretty much the only winger that can keep up the heavy TOI and cover for McDavid defensively.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

RNH on the 3rd line wouldn't be terrible at this point. He's not contributing like a 1st line player 5 on 5 this year anyways, and you would think the team would have the pieces up front to ice a 3rd line that could tilt the ice. It would also push Henrique and company to a 4th line matchup.

It absolutely makes sense to bolster the 3rd line. Knob wants to roll lines and not line match anyway, maybe it’ll spark Nuge too.

 

[LTIR]

Trade Jeff Skinner.

That is all

Trade em both.

 

[syz]

Not sure how much it is the coach and how much it is McDavid.
Pretty sure McD would prefer Nuge over Skinner as his linemate. RNH is pretty much the only winger that can keep up the heavy TOI and cover for McDavid defensively.

McDavid's been the one on that line doing all the back checking this season by my eye.

 

[LTIR]

McDavid's been the one on that line doing all the back checking this season by my eye.

Great if he is... he historically is the first forward darting out when we get the possession hovering around the blueline and Nuge did the work of C occasionally

 

[Soundwave]

When Stolarz is back, Toronto is going to have to send Matt Murray down again no?

I say we claim him, I'd rather have him than Colin Delia as our "AHL goalie with NHL experience" in case we ever have an injury and it's zero cost.

At least this guy has played NHL playoff games and the biggest ones at that. If Skinner were to ever get hurt, I'd rather have a tandem of like Pickard/Murray than Pickard/Rodrigue with 0 NHL games experience or Pickard/Delia.

Obviously I'm not saying he's *the* answer but if it's a no-cost thing between him and Delia, I'd rather have him.

Delia is .900 in the AHL, Murray is .931 they're both the same age.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

When Stolarz is back, Toronto is going to have to send Matt Murray down again no?

I say we claim him, I'd rather have him than Colin Delia as our "AHL goalie with NHL experience" in case we ever have an injury and it's zero cost.

At least this guy has played NHL playoff games and the biggest ones at that. If Skinner were to ever get hurt, I'd rather have a tandem of like Pickard/Murray than Pickard/Rodrigue with 0 NHL games experience or Pickard/Delia.

Obviously I'm not saying he's *the* answer but if it's a no-cost thing between him and Delia, I'd rather have him.

Delia is .900 in the AHL, Murray is .931.

Delia 3 goals against on 11 shots tonight ,,,pulled.
Gotta love what Canadiens call up...Jakub Dobes pulled off tonight. Canadiens substantially outplayed and Dobes served Florida a goose egg.

 

[Soundwave]

Delia 3 goals against on 11 shots tonight ,,,pulled.

And I get Murray was awful tonight against the Caps too, but at least that's against NHL comp, not AHL.

I would claim him, don't think the Leafs wouldn't even protest much. Murray is probably cooked, but he's still a better AHL goalie than Delia, and there may be a 5-10% chance that he's actually not cooked. Why not take it, Delia is a never was, never will be.

Also man oh man, should we have signed Logan Thompson.