Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Vegas Claims Raph Lavoie off Waivers, Everyone Else Cleared

[LTIR]

So are we getting back Lavoie or not??

 

[Heavy Dee]

The scary thing is, what if we can't make a trade for something we want on D? Then what?

That's why this whole preservation of cap thing is a risk Imo.

 

[Canovin]

Shesterkin is about to do the goalies a big favor soon

 

[McMoMoney29]

I think we’ll miss Ceci. He’s an NHL veteran who’s played top 4 minutes for just about his whole career. He’s better than we give him credit for and he’ll be a very good defensemen for the sharks and what we had last year is 100% better than what we have today and you’re kidding yourself if you believe otherwise. However we just need to make it work until Stan pulls something out of his ass hopefully and then it’s our cup to win. I also wish we had improved with a more reliable backup.

 

[CycloneSweep]

That's why this whole preservation of cap thing is a risk Imo.

The teams issue is it seems like they completely expect Kane to come back mid season which means we can't even use his LTIR to improve the team. Its a dumb situation to be in.

So are we getting back Lavoie or not??

We will know in a few hours.

 

[FlameChampion]

Swayman really did reset the market

Or its similar to Jones/Nurse extensions.

Sometimes you need to wait it out a bit. Meanwhile Francis gave Daccord for $5m. Guess we don’t have to really worry about Seattle for the next 5+ years

 

[Canovin]

Or its similar to Jones/Nurse extensions.

Sometimes you need to wait it out a bit. Meanwhile Francis gave Daccord for $5m. Guess we don’t have to really worry about Seattle for the next 5+ years

We don't have to worry about Seattle but we do have to worry about Stuart Skinner getting overpaid for below to average goaltending

 

[Soundwave]

I think we’ll miss Ceci. He’s an NHL veteran who’s played top 4 minutes for just about his whole career. He’s better than we give him credit for and he’ll be a very good defensemen for the sharks and what we had last year is 100% better than what we have today and you’re kidding yourself if you believe otherwise. However we just need to make it work until Stan pulls something out of his ass hopefully and then it’s our cup to win. I also wish we had improved with a more reliable backup.

The funny thing is about this logic is when you say "well OK then just reacquire Ceci at the trade deadline with rentetion", the same people saying this usually respond with this:

"Ewww, no, I would want someone better than Ceci at the deadline"

It's like listening to your buddy drone on and on about a girl he once dated who was a 5/10 in the looks department at best with an unpleasant personality to go with it but if they were to actually date again even just once he'd probably realize in 10 minutes why they broke up in the first place.

Ceci isn't a top 4 D, he was just forced to be one here, often to poor results. He was dumped by Ottawa, In Toronto he was lambasted for being trash, in Pittsburgh he found some traction but Penguins' fans were clear he was only really good on the bottom pairing.

Holland should have upgraded on this player years ago but he sat on his ass watching the market in slow motion.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

That's why this whole preservation of cap thing is a risk Imo.

Yes. I think Stan will be on the phones all year. You cannot just wait until the deadline and say "Hey we got all of this cap space now, we're gunna load Uppppp!" lol.

We have seen some managers like Conroy won't help us.

 

[Soundwave]

You don't need to have a home run deadline, I have time for a player like TJ Brodie even at the deadline. He is and always has been a better player than the likes of Cody Ceci and can actually make a pass.

We don't need a second Ekholm deal here, although I wouldn't mind having one of those.

 

[Arpeggio]

I thought Ceci was a solid Oiler, liked having him here. But he really only had one spot on the roster, and that was playing with Nurse. And they completely fell apart in the second half of last season. If I remember correctly, they both started getting caved after Knoblauch was hired. I always thought they'd figure it out, and wasn't super concerned about them going into the playoffs, but they never did.

I argued that it was okay to go back to the playoffs with that pairing last year, but it really wouldn't be tenable to do it again this year. Whether you think Ceci or Nurse was the problem on that pairing, Nurse is staying, so keeping Ceci really didn't make any sense. The cap space that they created by moving Ceci is more valuable than keeping Ceci.

I am looking forward to watching Emberson, haven't seen him at all in the preseason. If he works out, it would be such a huge win.

 

[North]

I assume Vinny had big feet so those shoes are big to fill

But seriously on Ceci I thought he was worth his contract, but couldn't keep up as an everyday top 4 d-man. He played 20 minutes a night and while I hope Emberson can fill in that is gonna be tough.

Vinny, I always thought was that perfect #6 d-man to play 70 games a year or so. Easy to replace that, but his size and PK abilities will be something that needs to be replaced.

It's not that I don't think those guys can't be replaced, but we aren't exactly replacing them with sure fire guys. I've seen this song and dance for decades now that we just hope someone is going to fill the void and have breakout years. Not sure the guys we have give me a whole pile of confidence in that.

Although it was clear with the July 1st moves that we were going top heavy, so hopefully the offense makes up for the lack of defense

Bruce Curlock had a really good write up about Emberson and why he might be the perfect partner for Nurse. He’s liked him for awhile.

The Ty Emberson Experiencehttps://oilersnation.com/news/the-ty-emberson-experience?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[K1984]

I thought Ceci was a solid Oiler, liked having him here. But he really only had one spot on the roster, and that was playing with Nurse. And they completely fell apart in the second half of last season. If I remember correctly, they both started getting caved after Knoblauch was hired. I always thought they'd figure it out, and wasn't super concerned about them going into the playoffs, but they never did.

I argued that it was okay to go back to the playoffs with that pairing last year, but it really wouldn't be tenable to do it again this year. Whether you think Ceci or Nurse was the problem on that pairing, Nurse is staying, so keeping Ceci really didn't make any sense. The cap space that they created by moving Ceci is more valuable than keeping Ceci.

I am looking forward to watching Emberson, haven't seen him at all in the preseason. If he works out, it would be such a huge win.

Had we kept Ceci he would have been a required piece going the other way in any trade. This is essentially just pre-trading him to create flexibility on probably the safe gamble that any drop off from Ceci to Emberson isn't going to be the end of the world.

Based on the rumours last year that we had a deal for Tanev, but they didn't want Ceci back, I wonder if management saw this move as a requirement in order to do what they need to do at the deadline. Much easier to do a deal straight up, player for picks without the burden of finding a home for your cap casualty.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I will say the worse case is none of the 3 are better, I can see reasons why one might optimistic, but let's be real none of those 3 have established an average level of play that clearly outshines either Ceci or Vinny.

Last 3 years before joining the Oil...

Ceci
74 GP, 7-19-26, -22. 22:34 TOI
56 GP, 1-7-8, +7, 20:32 TOI
53 GP, 4-13-17, +18, 18:31 TOI

Kulak
56 GP, 0-7-7, -1. 17:08 TOI
46 GP, 2-6-8, +3, 16:06 TOI
56 GP, 3-10-13, -10, 17:58 TOI

Stecher
29 GP, 1-2-3, -7 16:29
81 GP, 3-11-14, -6, 16:22
47 GP, 1-4-5, +5, 18:26

Stecher's more or less identical to Kulak's minutes and production before he got to Edmonton, and isn't far off Ceci's. Which more or less lines up as a solid #5 that can moonlight as a #4. That's also a good bit ahead of the 13 to 15 min PK specialist that Vinny was here.


The Oil do need to add a big, physically dominant, defensive defenceman that can play regular minutes before they get to the playoffs (Josh Manson being the closest thing to the perfect fit. Not saying he's available). But what they've got should be more than fine for the regular season.

Imo, the big question with this group isn't if they're good enough (for the regular season), it's if the ones that are made of glass can stay healthy.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Shesterkin is about to do the goalies a big favor soon

I mean Daccord got $25 million today.

What the hell is Skinner gonna ask for in 2026?

 

[McBooya42]

So I presume we are not longer accruing cap space?

We are actually! $53 away from the cap is my understanding.

Sweet Broberg scored from Holloway. f*** this management.

Who cares? We couldn't have afforded them.

 

[Soundwave]

Last 3 years before joining the Oil...

Ceci
74 GP, 7-19-26, -22. 22:34 TOI
56 GP, 1-7-8, +7, 20:32 TOI
53 GP, 4-13-17, +18, 18:31 TOI

Kulak
56 GP, 0-7-7, -1. 17:08 TOI
46 GP, 2-6-8, +3, 16:06 TOI
56 GP, 3-10-13, -10, 17:58 TOI

Stecher
29 GP, 1-2-3, -7 16:29
81 GP, 3-11-14, -6, 16:22
47 GP, 1-4-5, +5, 18:26

Stecher's more or less identical to Kulak's minutes and production before he got to Edmonton, and isn't far off Ceci's. Which more or less lines up as a solid #5 that can moonlight as a #4. That's also a good bit ahead of the 13 to 15 min PK specialist that Vinny was here.


The Oil do need to add a big, physically dominant, defensive defenceman that can play regular minutes before they get to the playoffs (Josh Manson being the closest thing to the perfect fit. Not saying he's available). But what they've got should be more than fine for the regular season.

Imo, the big question with this group isn't if they're good enough (for the regular season), it's if the ones that are made of glass can stay healthy.

Or Nurse could just nut up and be that player. There's no reason he can't be a good, physical no.3 D. First step is getting Nurse away from Ceci, they are poison for each other's game.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I mean Daccord got $25 million today.

What the hell is Skinner gonna ask for in 2026?

If we win a cup 7.5 per.

 

[Slats432]

Who cares? We couldn't have afforded them.

If the Oilers would have signed Holloway earlier, which I think was possible, a lot could have been avoided.

That is on Holland.

 

[Soundwave]

If the Oilers would have signed Holloway earlier, which I think was possible, a lot could have been avoided.

That is on Holland.

If it wasn't for the Connor Brown bonus, the Oilers would've signed Broberg for like 1.6 x 2 (his agent's ask was apparently 1.8) and Holloway probably for about 1.4.

Instead they were trying to Ryan McLeod both of them and paid the price. Thanks Holland.

 

[oobga]

Swayman really did reset the market

Guess all the Sens need is a regular season warrior. Just making the playoffs is like a cup win for them right now. Ullmark is the man for the job.

 

[joestevens29]

The scary thing is, what if we can't make a trade for something we want on D? Then what?

Add another scoring forward

 

[oobga]

If it wasn't for the Connor Brown bonus, the Oilers would've signed Broberg for like 1.6 x 2 (his agent's ask was apparently 1.8) and Holloway probably for about 1.4.

Instead they were trying to Ryan McLeod both of them and paid the price. Thanks Holland.

Holland says you're welcome as he sips some expensive booze at the cottage, counting the extra $25M Katz tossed him.

 

[joestevens29]

Had we kept Ceci he would have been a required piece going the other way in any trade. This is essentially just pre-trading him to create flexibility on probably the safe gamble that any drop off from Ceci to Emberson isn't going to be the end of the world.

Based on the rumours last year that we had a deal for Tanev, but they didn't want Ceci back, I wonder if management saw this move as a requirement in order to do what they need to do at the deadline. Much easier to do a deal straight up, player for picks without the burden of finding a home for your cap casualty.

Thought Tanev said no as well

If the Oilers would have signed Holloway earlier, which I think was possible, a lot could have been avoided.

That is on Holland.

It's on Jackson as well. He's the one that elected to burn up cap space before taking care of his own players

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Or Nurse could just nut up and be that player. There's no reason he can't be a good, physical no.3 D. First step is getting Nurse away from Ceci, they are poison for each other's game.

No question Nurse should be one of those players, same with Ekholm. I just want one more to round out the group.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Emberson
Kulak-Manson/Murphy
Dermott, Stecher

.... would be a well-balanced top 6, supported by quality depth.

Imo you keep Emberson (or Stecher or Dermott) with Nurse vs. pairing him with another DFD and having Nurse-Ceci 2.0 (which was already Nurse-Larsson 2.0).
We've seen Kulak look good with Desharnais, so playing with a better version of Vinny should make for a strong 3rd pairing.