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[brentashton]

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I don't like being this heavily favored to win it all and if I'm honest I don't think we deserve it, I view us as a top 4 team with serious question marks that seem fixable, but we aren't no complete package juggernaut by any means.

Kiss of death

 

[Hemsky4pm2]

The Oilers nearly lost to the Canucks last season. McDavid cry-yells and swears a bunch and the Oilers are suddenly unbeatable. Every locker room is like that when the stakes are that high. Talent and commitment win in the end. The Oilers could lose in the first round or win the Cup. They shouldn't be this heavily favored when the are so thin on D.

 

[oobga]

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I don't like being this heavily favored to win it all and if I'm honest I don't think we deserve it, I view us as a top 4 team with serious question marks that seem fixable, but we aren't no complete package juggernaut by any means.

Dang. Guaranteed 0-15-0 start now. Nice knowing you Knob.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He scored 1 goal and he was +1. He played over 20 minutes and his team won the game. Sorry How does that prove he's not worth 4.6 mill? Lol


Faulk had 2 assists and played the most. His team won the game. Maybe focus on everything and not just analytics lol

Scored 1 goal on a shot that shouldnt go in, and then proceeded to bleed scoring chances for 19 minutes.

The Oilers nearly lost to the Canucks last season. McDavid cry-yells and swears a bunch and the Oilers are suddenly unbeatable. Every locker room is like that when the stakes are that high. Talent and commitment win in the end. The Oilers could lose in the first round or win the Cup. They shouldn't be this heavily favored when the are so thin on D.

Damn, did you brainstorm that up yourself?

I bet you theres a 100% chance that every game the oilers play they either win or lose.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Kiss of death

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Ever get that feeling you're about to get ripped off. Every time you get ripped off.

Dealing with a tight group of shills before the season even gets underway. With the usual group of dissenters... wink wink.

 

[Senor Catface]

The Oilers nearly lost to the Canucks last season. McDavid cry-yells and swears a bunch and the Oilers are suddenly unbeatable. Every locker room is like that when the stakes are that high. Talent and commitment win in the end. The Oilers could lose in the first round or win the Cup. They shouldn't be this heavily favored when the are so thin on D.

Oh wow, they nearly lost. Better raise another Canuck banner then.

 

[Gordy Elbows]

Careful….some of the young’uns here may think you’re being serious.

 

[North]

He scored 1 goal and he was +1. He played over 20 minutes and his team won the game. Sorry How does that prove he's not worth 4.6 mill? Lol


Faulk had 2 assists and played the most. His team won the game. Maybe focus on everything and not just analytics lol

Okay stat watcher.

 

[Oilhawks]

He scored 1 goal and he was +1. He played over 20 minutes and his team won the game. Sorry How does that prove he's not worth 4.6 mill? Lol


Faulk had 2 assists and played the most. His team won the game. Maybe focus on everything and not just analytics lol

It’s one game. I like Broberg but he never really had great analytics. If he continues to Mr. Bean his way to success on ice, props to him. There’s a good chance this collapse based on his analytics rather than the one game sample size this season

 

[Senor Catface]

 

[Soundwave]

Can we get over the constant crying over Ceci (a no.5/6 D) and Desharnais (a career AHLer who was a no.6/7D that was healthy scratched as the playoffs went on) being gone? Florida lost several of their D too, they look just fine without them tonight because it's a systems thing (Maurice's system), not a personnel, stop acting like D is strictly a perssonel thing. If it was the Oilers never would've made a Finals with Ceci in the top 4 to begin with. Knoblaugh's system is the engine on the back end, accept that.

We are favorites because we were the no.1 team in the league for 85% of the season last year (all year with Knoblaugh) and then made game 7 of a Cup Final and narrowly lost and have the best player since Mario.

If having pressure makes you nervous, you got on the wrong bus to begin with, pressure comes with having a generational player. Either embrace it or go elsewhere. This is how it's supposed to be.

 

[alphahelix]

Can we get over the constant crying over Ceci (a no.5/6 D) and Desharnais (a career AHLer who was a no.6/7D that was healthy scratched as the playoffs went on) being gone? Florida lost several of their D too, they look just fine without them tonight because it's a systems thing (Maurice's system), not a personnel, stop acting like D is strictly a perssonel thing. If it was the Oilers never would've made a Finals with Ceci in the top 4 to begin with. Knoblaugh's system is the engine on the back end, accept that.

We are favorites because we were the no.1 team in the league for 85% of the season last year (all year with Knoblaugh) and then made game 7 of a Cup Final and narrowly lost and have the best player since Mario.

If having pressure makes you nervous, you got on the wrong bus to begin with, pressure comes with having a generational player. Either embrace it or go elsewhere. This is how it's supposed to be.

Desharnais was injured (minor injury maybe but an injury nonetheless), so I dont know if you should call it a healthy scratch. He was a daily contributor for like a full year for us, and if we still had him he would be our best PKer on the right side. Thats just a fancy way of saying “we’re worse”. Sure, we had Broberg as a luxury option at the time, but we dont now.

Ceci carried a lot of water and a lot of tough minutes for this team for a long, long time.

Florida is not going to win the cup this year because of the D they lost.

Edmonton is not going to win the cup this year because of the D they lost unless they go out and get a big upgrade for RD.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Desharnais was injured (minor injury maybe but an injury nonetheless), so I dont know if you should call it a healthy scratch. He was a daily contributor for like a full year for us, and if we still had him he would be our best PKer on the right side. Thats just a fancy way of saying “we’re worse”. Sure, we had Broberg as a luxury option at the time, but we dont now.

Ceci carried a lot of water and a lot of tough minutes for this team for a long, long time.

Florida is not going to win the cup this year because of the D they lost.

Edmonton is not going to win the cup this year because of the D they lost unless they go out and get a big upgrade for RD.

Losing 2 bottom pairing D is the reason we won’t win the cup?

Ceci is starting to get overrated

 

[Broberg Speed]

Losing 2 bottom pairing D is the reason we won’t win the cup?

Ceci is starting to get overrated

Kulak is underrated too.

 

[Soundwave]

Desharnais was injured (minor injury maybe but an injury nonetheless), so I dont know if you should call it a healthy scratch. He was a daily contributor for like a full year for us, and if we still had him he would be our best PKer on the right side. Thats just a fancy way of saying “we’re worse”. Sure, we had Broberg as a luxury option at the time, but we dont now.

Ceci carried a lot of water and a lot of tough minutes for this team for a long, long time.

Florida is not going to win the cup this year because of the D they lost.

Edmonton is not going to win the cup this year because of the D they lost unless they go out and get a big upgrade for RD.

There's a contingent of posters that just insistent on acting like emotional pregnant women because of some mediocre D going out the door (which happens to most championship teams, there's also some roster turn over).

After 3-4 months of it, I think enough is enough.

Desharnais got scratached because he was playing like ASS in the Dallas series. Couldn't keep up, too slow. Which makes sense, he's an AHL career player who was playing way over his head. He was garbage in the 2023 playoffs as well, damn near did everything to lose us the LA series.

Ceci is a bottom pairing defenceman, if he's such a difference maker, San Jose will send him back for a 3rd round pick at the deadline when he's -65 on their team.

Enough with the overstating. We didn't lose Chris Pronger, f*** I'd take Jaroslav Spacek circa 2006 over both Ceci and Desharnais.

 

[alphahelix]

There's a contingent of posters that just insistent on acting like emotional pregnant women because of some mediocre D going out the door (which happens to most championship teams).

After 3-4 months of it, I think enough is enough.

Desharnais got scratached because he was playing like ASS in the Dallas series. Couldn't keep up, too slow. Which makes sense, he's an AHL career player who was playing way over his head.

Ceci is a bottom pairing defenceman, if he's such a difference maker, San Jose will send him back for a 3rd round pick at the deadline when he's -65 on their team.

Enough with the overstating. We didn't lose Chris Pronger, f*** I'd take Jaroslav Spacek over both Ceci and Desharnais.

C’mon dude, you were here for the decade of darkness. You going to act like competent D-men who can play tough minutes grow on trees? Surely you remember going through like 45 guys consecutively all who could not play defence? Competent defending is a prerequisite for playoff success, full stop. You cut competent defenders and replace them with nothing in particular - you have a problem. It’s that simple. (And no, its not an insurmountable problem.. but theres not much on the market for RD. Last time we painted ourselves into a corner like this we had to trade Taylor Hall for a halfway fix.)

 

[Mr Positive]

It’s one game. I like Broberg but he never really had great analytics. If he continues to Mr. Bean his way to success on ice, props to him. There’s a good chance this collapse based on his analytics rather than the one game sample size this season

It seems more likely that as he gets more minutes on his proper side, and just ages and matures, that he will clean up his bad advanced stats

 

[Soundwave]

C’mon dude, you were here for the decade of darkness. You going to act like competent D-men who can play tough minutes grow on trees? Surely you remember going through like 45 guys consecutively all who could not play defence? Competent defending is a prerequisite for playoff success, full stop. You cut competent defenders and replace them with nothing in particular - you have a problem. Its that simple.

Decade of darkness has nothing to do with anything, what the f*** are you guys even talking about.

This is a team that just went to game 7 of the Finals and has the best player in the modern history of the sport.

Our D improvement is because of Knoblaugh, stop with the bullshit that we had some superstar D corps last season, we didn't. We had one great pairing and then a bunch of interchangable pieces, Knoblaugh + Coffey is the reason we broke through and made the Finals.

Ceci and Desharnais were shit under Woodcroft in the 2023 playoffs and again to start the 23-24 season, the turn around is purely Knoblaugh's system.

 

[JeffSkinner53]

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Who tf is Matt Marchese?

 

[Broberg Speed]

It seems more likely that as he gets more minutes on his proper side, and just ages and matures, that he will clean up his bad advanced stats

It will be cool to keep tabs on him.

 

[JeffSkinner53]

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[alphahelix]

Decade of darkness has nothing to do with anything, what the f*** are you guys even talking about.

This is a team that just went to game 7 of the Finals and has the best player in the modern history of the sport.

Our D improvement is because of Knoblaugh, stop with the bullshit that we had some superstar D corps last season, we didn't. We had one great pairing and then a bunch of interchangable pieces, Knoblaugh + Coffey is the reason we broke through and made the Finals.

Somebody said we had a superstar D corps last year? Are they in the room with us right now? Did you take your meds today bro?

Our D was good before Knoblauch, it actually improved right around the time we graduated Desharnais to the NHL. Our D was terribly floundering and we were at risk of falling out of the playoffs before we brought in Woodcroft and he brought up Desharnais to play the PK for us. It was only like 2 years ago. Where were you? Ekholm also was a major stabilizing presence on the left side, and suddenly we could ice a solid handful of players that we could trust in the defensive zone.

The Best Player in the modern history of the sport missed the playoffs on this team, and was at risk of doing it again when we had shit defence. He also got off to a TERRIBLE start last year when Ekholm was injured for a few days.

We’re one Ekholm flu away from getting smashed on defence. We don’t have a superstar goalie. Connor McDavid can’t play goalie and defence. He can’t win alone. That is THOROUGHLY proven.

Our D was top 10 last year. Thats not great, but it’s enough to win with McDavid if you get some breaks.

It’s top 20 now. Is that enough? Probably not. Never was good enough in the past.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Somebody said we had a superstar D corps last year? Are they in the room with us right now? Did you take your meds today bro?

Our D was good before Knoblauch, it actually improved right around the time we graduated Desharnais to the NHL. Our D was terribly floundering and we were at risk of falling out of the playoffs before we brought in Woodcroft and he brought up Desharnais to play the PK for us. It was only like 2 years ago. Where were you? Ekholm also was a major stabilizing presence on the left side, and suddenly we could ice a solid handful of players that we could trust in the defensive zone.

The Best Player in the modern history of the sport missed the playoffs on this team, and was at risk of doing it again when we had shit defence. He also got off to a TERRIBLE start last year when Ekholm was injured for a few days.

We’re one Ekholm flu away from getting smashed on defence. We don’t have a superstar goalie. Connor McDavid can’t play goalie and defence. He can’t win alone. That is THOROUGHLY proven.

Our D was top 10 last year. Thats not great, but it’s enough to win with McDavid if you get some breaks.

It’s top 20 now. Is that enough? Probably not. Never was good enough in the past.

100%

you are a honest man tonight, the only one in the building

 

[Soundwave]

Somebody said we had a superstar D corps last year? Are they in the room with us right now? Did you take your meds today bro?

Our D was good before Knoblauch, it actually improved right around the time we graduated Desharnais to the NHL. Our D was terribly floundering and we were at risk of falling out of the playoffs before we brought in Woodcroft and he brought up Desharnais to play the PK for us. It was only like 2 years ago. Where were you? Ekholm also was a major stabilizing presence on the left side, and suddenly we could ice a solid handful of players that we could trust in the defensive zone.

The Best Player in the modern history of the sport missed the playoffs on this team, and was at risk of doing it again when we had shit defence. He also got off to a TERRIBLE start last year when Ekholm was injured for a few days.

We’re one Ekholm flu away from getting smashed on defence. We don’t have a superstar goalie. Connor McDavid can’t play goalie and defence. He can’t win alone. That is THOROUGHLY proven.

Our D was top 10 last year. Thats not great, but it’s enough to win with McDavid if you get some breaks.

It’s top 20 now. Is that enough? Probably not. Never was good enough in the past.

Lol, so lemme get this straight, Cody Ceci and Vinny Desharnais, a bottom pair D + an AHL career player at age 25 are the difference between being a decade of darkness/missing the playoffs/chicken with its head cut off emergency and a Cup finalist?

Anyone more hysterics we want to propose? Losing Brad Winchester was the key that caused the decade of darkness?

These arguements are dumb and deep down I think the people making them know they're dumb.

Ceci and Desharnais were crap in the 2023 playoffs and crap again in to start last season. Knoblaugh/Coffey is the main reason the entire D changed and they deserve 95% of the credit, because the same D was playing horrendous under Woodcroft for 15 or so games on top of terrible defense in the 2023 playoffs.

If we played Desharnais any more in that LA series in the 2023 playoffs, they would have beat us in round 1 that year, I've never seen one skater trying so hard to lose his own team a playoff series ever.

 

[foshizzle]

Man I'm not denouncing them. I work with analytics everyday. But we can't just be reliant on just them and not eyes

You literally said forget analytics and use everything else. If you use analytics everyday- are the numbers ever wrong? For example- if you're reporting poor data- is your CEO ever like- "yeah, i'm going to ignore that and just say we are awesome because we looked busy"?

I wont be satisfied until Larsson, Eberle, Hall are back in fold and Brandon Manning for good measure.

Hall i going to be one of our deadline acquisitions- don't worry