MoontoScott
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The average age of the Oiler forwards is definitely a concern and I think when you have guys who are > or = 35 then the wheels can come off fairly quickly.
Pod is the only forward under 25?
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Pod is the only forward under 25?
brentashton
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I’m glad you have a sense of humour. It’s a game after all.
It ain’t rocket surgery.
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Vegas (and especially Tampa) has a good model I wish the Oilers would follow
Just trade all our picks anyways because they just pick busts and draft picks are most valuable when they are draft picks and not busted prospects
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Ryan had like 1 good game a decent 1 and some no shows. Lavoie could learn to crash the net and play a solid 2 way game so that he could eventually transition into a cheap top 6 option.
Both Perry and Ryan looked cooked last playoffs. Lets hope that it was injuries and that they still have some tread left on their tires.
To be honest the player I want back up is Philp.
He was the most consistently effective of the three of them and is a perfect fit for the bottom six.
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It seems like a move purely to get younger, as they are over their roster limit and will have to send down guys.
Honestly I think we should think more like this
Lavoie is 24. Sending him down was practically ending his career. I know he didn't grab a spot but I still feel happy for the kid to get one last shot, even if it's just to be an extra forward and practice with the Knights main lineup
Honestly I think we should think more like this
Lavoie is 24. Sending him down was practically ending his career. I know he didn't grab a spot but I still feel happy for the kid to get one last shot, even if it's just to be an extra forward and practice with the Knights main lineup
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Stan was on his show at 4ish and said as much. Said the 53 bucks is quite accurate and when pushed about dermot signing he said there will be a 7th guy. Wouldn’t confirm dermot but essentially agreed with bob
joestevens29
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Stan said he’ll be back but they want him playing 20minutes a night given he’s had a year off. Said philp was biggest positive surprise this training camp as he didn’t know much about him
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Looking at the last 10 years of 1st rounders
2024-Sam O'Reilly
2023-traded
2022-Reid Schaefer traded with 2023 for Ekholm
2021-Xavier Bourgault-- traded for nothing on current roster
2020-Dylan Holloway - Offer sheet return 3rd rounder
2019-Philip Broberg - offer sheet 2nd rounder
2018-Evan Bouchard -Still on roster
2017- Kailer Yamamoto- cap dump last off season
2016-Jesse Puljujarvi- now with pens. Was traded for a guy in Europe who we gave the rights up to last off season
2015- McDavid
So for the last 10 1st rounders we have Ekholm Bouchard, and McDavid. 2nd and 3rd.
It is the price you pay for being in win now mode. But the other state I look at it is how many player taken outside of the 1st round have played 10+ games in the NHL with the oilers or assets we received for them,
2015-- Jones, Bear and Marino. We got a pick for Marino who is in uni. Bear was traded for Foegele. Jones for Duncan Keith.
2016-Benson- UFA. Markus Niemelainen--back in Europe. Vinny D now in Vancouver
2017-S. Skinner
2018- McLeod traded for Savoie. Kesselring traded for Cam Dineen and Bjugsted
2019-no one after the first.
2020- No one after the first
2021-no one after the first
I stop at 2021 because after the first it is about development.
At the end of the day are scouting has let us down for picks after the first and we have had a lot of bad asset management in picks we have traded away.
There is a reason why our farm system is depleted. Bad picking and trading away picks for nothing
2024-Sam O'Reilly
2023-traded
2022-Reid Schaefer traded with 2023 for Ekholm
2021-Xavier Bourgault-- traded for nothing on current roster
2020-Dylan Holloway - Offer sheet return 3rd rounder
2019-Philip Broberg - offer sheet 2nd rounder
2018-Evan Bouchard -Still on roster
2017- Kailer Yamamoto- cap dump last off season
2016-Jesse Puljujarvi- now with pens. Was traded for a guy in Europe who we gave the rights up to last off season
2015- McDavid
So for the last 10 1st rounders we have Ekholm Bouchard, and McDavid. 2nd and 3rd.
It is the price you pay for being in win now mode. But the other state I look at it is how many player taken outside of the 1st round have played 10+ games in the NHL with the oilers or assets we received for them,
2015-- Jones, Bear and Marino. We got a pick for Marino who is in uni. Bear was traded for Foegele. Jones for Duncan Keith.
2016-Benson- UFA. Markus Niemelainen--back in Europe. Vinny D now in Vancouver
2017-S. Skinner
2018- McLeod traded for Savoie. Kesselring traded for Cam Dineen and Bjugsted
2019-no one after the first.
2020- No one after the first
2021-no one after the first
I stop at 2021 because after the first it is about development.
At the end of the day are scouting has let us down for picks after the first and we have had a lot of bad asset management in picks we have traded away.
There is a reason why our farm system is depleted. Bad picking and trading away picks for nothing
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They'll probably sign Dermott then as well, but yeah, including the LTIR, it would be about $6.4 I would say. I still wonder if they recall Philp.
There's a lot of nothing, but Bouchard trending as elite really helps.
MoontoScott
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And like old tires the continued wear and tear just makes the ride a little bumpier.
I don't think either of these guys can be serious contributors night after night especially if the Oilers make the playoffs and go on a deep run (hopefully?).
Well, its definitely "win now" time so we'll see what happens.
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This is where I wish Edmonton had their AHL team closer than Bakersfield. Anytime that Ryan or Perry can't go, then Philp could be called up and in the line-up immediately. When they can both play, send him down to accrue cap space. Having a significant amount of travel time does not make Philp shuttling back and forth easy.
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I understand the leadership aspect, but otherwise what has Perry provided that Lavoie has shown to be incapable of? If anything, having a more offensive player like Lavoie who can move up to your third line allows you to move a guy like Janmark down a line and really play more of a specialist role.
Ehhh, maybe? Who knows. The players know at the end of the day, business is still involved. I wouldn't have paid Broberg for what he got, but I'm still bummed Holloway went for the $$$. Boobirds will go their way anyways when both teams play here. Hope the money was worth over chasing a cup, but that's none of my business lol.
brentashton
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Yes, but Raphael Lavoie won't make a difference in this regard. Maybe Holloway would. They need young legs higher in the depth chart. Does not much matter whether you have Lavoie or Perry mostly warming the bench. Most top 6 guys are still in their prime.
Heavy Dee
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Broberg, Holloway and Lavoie for a mid second a and mid third is some tidy asset management by Bowman and Jackson.
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Yeah, paying Holloway and Broberg almost 7m would've been way better.
Heavy Dee
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Ya. Better we were chasing guys like Jeff Skinner who never played a play off game in his life rather than work to sign two guys we drafted and developed and just played in a game seven for us.
Didn't reports come out that we could have signed both for like, under 4? Had we prioritized them over Perry and Skinner, odds are it wouldn't have been at the price tag that St Louis got them at.
Though I am cautiously optimistic on Skinner, he is a gamble and 3m is a big hit if he doesn't look miles better than he did in preseason. But I'm holding out hope.
Overpaying D men by 3x their worth just because you drafted and developed them is a dumb strategy.
That’s the rough part though.
The org has Broberg as a player that they refused to even consider in trades. He was an untouchable etc etc. and then he is gone for a 2nd. Also rumours of Holloway being untouchable.
At the end of the day the org mismanaged 2 important assets, I agree that we absolutely couldn’t give them those caps, but it doesn’t make up for the fact that we mismanaged them as assets from the start.
The org has been awful with its first round picks since…well mostly since McDavid. Bouchard is good but everything else has been bad. Our best first round picks are the ones we used to get Ekholm.
At the end of the day the org is extremely old and has maybe 2-3 prospects with NHL potential in the entire system. So many prospects and picks lost for nothing. It’s unfortunate.
Heavy Dee
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What's dumb is thinking you had to pay them that when you didn't. You're missing the point. Again
