Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | The Oilers Biggest Roster Need Is?

[Spawn]

You can only be started in the top six and shit the bed for so long before your a bottom 12 player.

Yeah because Nuge, Hyman and Podkolzin have all done so much to be stapled in the top 6 for the past dozen games.

 

[guymez]

Agreed, except that we are paying less for goaltending than pretty much every team in the league. $3.6M for two guys.

Is anyone paying less?

And what are the complainers willing to sacrifice (let’s be realistic… nobody is taking on Nurse) to bolster the position?

I’m for Blackwood, but even that requires cap creativity.

I wasnt aware of that the Oilers were the lowest in the League.
Thats stunning.

How is it that a team that is in their Stanley Cup window builds their team is such a way that goaltending becomes the lowest priority on the team?
They ultimately decide that low rent goaltending is their ticket to a Stanley Cup.
Amazing.

 

[MessierII]

I wasnt aware of that the Oilers were the lowest in the League.
Thats stunning.

How is it that a team that is in their Stanley Cup window builds their team is such a way that goaltending becomes the lowest priority on the team?
They ultimately decide that low rent goaltending is their ticket to a Stanley Cup.
Amazing.

This wasn’t plan A plan A was Jack Campbell with skinner as an up and coming back up.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I wasnt aware of that the Oilers were the lowest in the League.
Thats stunning.

How is it that a team that is in their Stanley Cup window builds their team is such a way that goaltending becomes the lowest priority on the team?
They ultimately decide that low rent goaltending is their ticket to a Stanley Cup.
Amazing.

That is what Holland did in Detroit in years they did not have Hasek

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Yeah because Nuge, Hyman and Podkolzin have all done so much to be stapled in the top 6 for the past dozen games.

None of them have been playing all that great. I'd add Arvidsson to that list as well.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Skinner was signed to play in the top 6. Hard to have any success when your C is Ryan.

Hes got more goals than Ardvidson, Nuge, Ryan and others with no PP time and pretty limited minutes. Not sure why everyone is shitting on him.

 

[rboomercat90]

Ive said it before, think Blackwood could be a bit of a sleeper in our system. I’d run him 1 and put skinner as 2 until proven otherwise.

Why should Pickard lose his job because Skinner is awful? If we’re bringing in another goalie it’s gotta either be Skinner going the other way or waived and sent to Bakersfield like it was with Campbell last year. If he wasn’t the one who was stinking out the joint nightly there wouldn’t be any need to make changes.

 

[FlameChampion]

This season is just killing my motivation for this team.

Honestly the organization just feels cursed.

Everyone that left looks better and everyone who comes here looks washed. Feels pointless to even make moves.

A new goalie will probably suck. Skinner would somehow probably look better if he was to leave.

Just a bizarre team and organization. It doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Yeah… my point is complain about that which you are paying for… and accept that compromises have been made elsewhere.

You don't have to though right? You have to find someone that can do enough at the price point.

 

[bucks_oil]

I wasnt aware of that the Oilers were the lowest in the League.
Thats stunning.

How is it that a team that is in their Stanley Cup window builds their team is such a way that goaltending becomes the lowest priority on the team?
They ultimately decide that low rent goaltending is their ticket to a Stanley Cup.
Amazing.

My personal opinion?

It's quite simple. Goaltending is simultaneously not valued and often blamed. Not by management and not by many fans. It's systemic and you can see it in this very thread.

Attitudes like "just shut up and stop the puck" as though the circumstances leading to the goal are irrelevant, and mistakes are tolerated all over the ice, except in the goal crease... where the goalie's only job is to avoid the embarrassment of (and ultimately accountability of) the higher priced talent.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

This season is just killing my motivation for this team.

Honestly the organization just feels cursed.

Everyone that left looks better and everyone who comes here looks washed. Feels pointless to even make moves.

A new goalie will probably suck. Skinner would somehow probably look better if he was to leave.

Just a bizarre team and organization. It doesn’t make sense to me.

something in the water

 

[bucks_oil]

You don't have to though right? You have to find someone that can do enough at the price point.

??? - Getting lucky is not a strategy.

Finding a cheap diamond in the rough would require investing in knowledgeable goaltending scouting and coaching. We don't do that either. We treat the whole position as an unsolvable black box, put all our money on #74 and let it ride.

Then when the results (predictably) come up sub-standard, we blame the individual player.

The problem is much deeper than that. Our team has been a goalie graveyard for the better part of 20 years.

Worse still... this year we HAVE the offensive power to withstand some slightly below average goaltending, because that's where we invested a huge portion of our $88M cap. And yet we are sitting 21st in offense - who is talking about that?

Is S. Skinner also making terrible breakout passes? It figures... what a bum! Didn't learn anything from Mike Smith did he?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

??? - Getting lucky is not a strategy.

Enough of this, you don't have to willfully ignorant.

If the goaltending isn't good enough, look for someone who is. Guys don't enter the league making $8M on the cap. Like, if you assume nothing can be done, then quit.

All this team needs, ALL, is a guy who can make one extra save these guys are not. The Team is already very good, they just need someone who can do a little bit more than the nothing that's here now.

 

[McDrai]

The scary good thing about this team is that we are in a wild card spot all while having the worst goaltending as well as little to no secondary scoring. If these 2 things ever turned around (I have more confidence in secondary scoring turning around) we would be quite a force.

 

[frag2]

My personal opinion?

It's quite simple. Goaltending is simultaneously not valued and often blamed. Not by management and not by many fans. It's systemic and you can see it in this very thread.

Attitudes like "just shut up and stop the puck" as though the circumstances leading to the goal are irrelevant, and mistakes are tolerated all over the ice, except in the goal crease... where the goalie's only job is to avoid the embarrassment of (and ultimately accountability of) the higher priced talent.

Whether the circumstances are relevant or not, skinner hasn’t been stopping pucks enough. Period. He’ll have one good showing followed by a bunch of sub par performances. A lot of people will overlook some of them if we are winning but at the end of the day, if Skinner could just be league average, there would be less hostility towards the guy. Coupled with his attitude regarding his play, not exactly an easy guy to root for.

Like what’s been said for the past few years. He’s not expected to stop all the difficult shots, just some. He can’t even do that consistently

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

something in the water

Been polluted for at least a few decades.

Connor McClean can only do so much. Man, imagine this organization if we didn't win the draft lottery in 2015.

 

[Paralyzer]

I used to be a full backer of Stuart Skinner, but I'm really thinking he's not the one for us. Maybe he can turn it around, but we need results NOW. Not in 2-3 years time. But I also don't know if there is any goalies out there that are clear upgrades that are available. Though, I'd be good if San Jose was to do a trade like:

Blackwood
SJ 4th Round Pick 2025 (Makes up for Skinner signed for 2 years)

for

Stuart Skinner

If Blackwood fails, then we got Pickard to rely on. That'd what I would do if I wasn't willing to wait for Skinner any longer.

 

[Echodek]

Most of us feel that Skinner isn’t the guy and that we need a change but has the organization given any indication that they are now open to moving on?

 

[Hockeylife2018]

I used to be a full backer of Stuart Skinner, but I'm really thinking he's not the one for us. Maybe he can turn it around, but we need results NOW. Not in 2-3 years time. But I also don't know if there is any goalies out there that are clear upgrades that are available. Though, I'd be good if San Jose was to do a trade like:

Blackwood
SJ 4th Round Pick 2025 (Makes up for Skinner signed for 2 years)

for

Stuart Skinner

If Blackwood fails, then we got Pickard to rely on. That'd what I would do if I wasn't willing to wait for Skinner any longer.

Sorry, but I'm not for any plan that requires me to put any confidence in a career backup as a plan B, either spend the required assets to get a legit #1, or roll with what we have

 

[Zguy370]

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Shocking!!? Never expected that with a tag team of Skinner-Pickard again, managed by Schwartz at the beginning of the season, it would of been this bad

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Sorry, but I'm not for any plan that requires me to put any confidence in a career backup as a plan B, either spend the required assets to get a legit #1, or roll with what we have

Makes zero sense.

We have what looks like a career backup who is dead last in some categories, yet you would not want someody who is even in the middle? lol

You might as well stop watching them in hop they win anything

 

[iCanada]

Why should Pickard lose his job because Skinner is awful? If we’re bringing in another goalie it’s gotta either be Skinner going the other way or waived and sent to Bakersfield like it was with Campbell last year. If he wasn’t the one who was stinking out the joint nightly there wouldn’t be any need to make changes.

I agree to an extent, but also... It's not like Pickard has exactly been lights out either.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

This is how low the standards are here in Edmonton and what we are use to. Vancouver goes out and gets Kevin Lankinen.

This is what one of their long term posters says yesterday. He has played 13 games

Lankinen for the first time this year was outplayed by his opposite number and has to share blame for the loss.

So to this poster, this is the first time in 13 games he was outplayed lmao

Meanwhile Skinner gets outplayed in probably 12/13 games

HE MAKES 875k for the people who say we should not expect much goaltending from Skinner who makes triple

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

This is how low the standards are here in Edmonton and what we are use to. Vancouver goes out and gets Kevin Lankinen.

This is what one of their long term posters says yesterday. He has played 13 games

Lankinen for the first time this year was outplayed by his opposite number and has to share blame for the loss.

So to this poster, this is the first time in 13 games he was outplayed lmao

Meanwhile Skinner gets outplayed in probably 12/13 games

HE MAKES 875k for the people who say we should not expect much goaltending from Skinner who makes triple

Yep 2.6 mill and he’s performing like the worst goalie in the league. Not a huge contract but still not acceptable.

 

[VeteranPresence]

I agree to an extent, but also... It's not like Pickard has exactly been lights out either.

He's 9th in GAA. The starting job needs to be his until Stu can put up an average Sv% starting with a 9.