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[Speed220DChalavan]

You're likely not going to get a #1 top 15 goalie, but perhaps could trade for one of these? You probably wait until early 2025 to see if Skinner rebounds but either way you need some insurance.

Potential guys below:

Cam Talbot? Will be a seller

Dostal? Unlikely to move him. Gibson more likely but he has poor numbers for the past few years.

Ingram? Numbers are worse than Skinner this year

Blackwood? What version are you getting of him? San Jose don't have a retained slot, so would need to filter through third party, inreasing ost.

Markstrom? Wonder if they would be enticed by Skinner + 2nd for Markstrom

Mzarek? Could give you average, would need retained salary

Husso? Expiring contract butt 2 bad years in Detroit.

Any other candidates? Slim pickings.

 

[FunkyChicken]

I'm at the waive Skinner phase of my disgust.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Before any talk of trading Skinner, I think the coaching staff has to communicate they aren't happy with his play and then you run the other goalie 3-4 games in a row and tell him this is time to reset himself and if he doesn't return with improved play then you start earnestly consider switching things up.

A lot of goalies seem to find that extra gear only when they come to a spot that they feel their job is in jeopardy.
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Derek Ryan isn't doing enough out there, seems to be clearly below a replacement level player, time to see what we have in Philp.

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Knoblauch isn't getting the best out of J. Skinner, we are getting pretty close to a point where we should be looking to do a swap with for another struggling player. If we can swap for Hall at 50% retained I'm down, while he's a shell of his former offensive prowess and his defensive game is still questionable, at bare minimum he has chemistry with 3 centers on our team and that's more than I can say for Skinner.

 

[Soundwave]

Talbot/Skinner/Pickard honestly wouldn't be bad. I mean yeah sure I would love to have Dwayne Roloson circa 2006 here, but if that type of add is not available you could do a lot worse I think.

You gotta figure one of the three at some point gets hot and that's probably all that's needed. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

 

[McDrai]

I'm at the waive Skinner phase of my disgust.

Skinner’s numbers are almost as bad as Campbell’s last season… And we all know what happened with Campbell.

On a side note, it’s absolutely ludicrous that Schwartz still has a job here. Literally every goalie who has played here with him as goalie coach has gone downhill fast. I think the only one who didn’t decline a bunch was Smith as he was set in his ways and probably laughed at Schwartz.

 

[Soundwave]

Before any talk of trading Skinner, I think the coaching staff has to communicate they aren't happy with his play and then you run the other goalie 3-4 games in a row and tell him this is time to reset himself and if he doesn't return with improved play then you start earnestly consider switching things up.

A lot of goalies seem to find that extra gear only when they come to a spot that they feel their job is in jeopardy.
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Derek Ryan isn't doing enough out there, seems to be clearly below a replacement level player, time to see what we have in Philp.

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Knoblauch isn't getting the best out of J. Skinner, we are getting pretty close to a point where we should be looking to do a swap with for another struggling player. If we can swap for Hall at 50% retained I'm down, while he's a shell of his former offensive prowess and his defensive game is still questionable, at bare minimum he has chemistry with 3 centers on our team and that's more than I can say for Skinner.

The one area I will give Woodcroft credit for and one area I think he's better than Knob at is I think he'd get more out of a Jeff Skinner.

I remember when Evander Kane was kinda acting up about being demoted down the lineup and Woody didn't take the bait from the media and instead stood up for Kane and said he liked it when a player acted like that, because they should want to play up in the lineup. And Kane played after that.

Knob isn't really like that, he'll just demote you down the lineup if you don't play how he wants, which is fair enough, but it's probably not the best tact with some players. Kane played better under Woody.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

You're likely not going to get a #1 top 15 goalie, but perhaps could trade for one of these? You probably wait until early 2025 to see if Skinner rebounds but either way you need some insurance.

Potential guys below:

Cam Talbot? Will be a seller

Dostal? Unlikely to move him. Gibson more likely but he has poor numbers for the past few years.

Ingram? Numbers are worse than Skinner this year

Blackwood? What version are you getting of him? San Jose don't have a retained slot, so would need to filter through third party, inreasing ost.

Markstrom? Wonder if they would be enticed by Skinner + 2nd for Markstrom

Mzarek? Could give you average, would need retained salary

Husso? Expiring contract butt 2 bad years in Detroit.

Any other candidates? Slim pickings.

Markstrom kinda played like dog poop tonight. Though Hamilton kinda helped him look that way.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Skinner’s numbers are almost as bad as Campbell’s last season… And we all know what happened with Campbell.

On a side note, it’s absolutely ludicrous that Schwartz still has a job here. Literally every goalie who has played here with him as goalie coach has gone downhill fast. I think the only one who didn’t decline a bunch was Smith as he was set in his ways and probably laughed at Schwartz.

He did bring in his own guy I think in his last season, if that wasn’t an indictment on Schwartz, the guy has immunity and a job for life.

It just baffles me how a guy who got lit up in the WHL and was decent at the CIAU level is somehow coaching pros.

 

[Duder54]

It just baffles me how a guy who got lit up in the WHL and was decent at the CIAU level is somehow coaching pros.

Whilst I 100% agree that Schwarz's tenure with the Oilers is far past its expiration date, the premise that individual skill as a player is relevant to skill as a coach just doesn't hold water. If that were true, Wayne Gretzky should have been the greatest coach in the history of the NHL and coaches like Paul Maurice or Barry Trotz would be relegated to coaching pee-wee.