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[Jimmi McJenkins]

Literally every team.

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You'll also note that absurd HDSC% column that we're cooking the rest of the league in...

Like this team isn't perfect, but the way they play, is kind of amazing, it's what we've be desperate for years.

If they can get one extra save and find more finish, they will start to win alot.

 

[Soundwave]

Literally every team.

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You'll also note that absurd HDSC% column that we're cooking the rest of the league in...

Now watch them try to say advanced stats don't count and/or can't be correct because they know better.

 

[iCanada]

Like this team isn't perfect, but the way they play, is kind of amazing, it's what we've be desperate for years.

If they can get one extra save and find more finish, they will start to win alot.

Now watch them try to say advanced stats don't count and/or can't be correct because they know better.

It's actually absurd how good we've been defensively.

Like just for reference - here's the NHL between 2011 and 2014 - take a look at the same numbers from the Sutter's defensive GoAT King's that bookended this era with two cups;

 

[Yuke]

Literally every team.

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You'll also note that absurd HDSC% column that we're cooking the rest of the league in....

So a HDCA is a shot coming from the area within 29' of center of the net.
Again, you need to add this stat to your evaluation. No where do I see it say an unobstructed/ screened/ guy tied up/ stick on shooter, just shot.
I am speaking of clear shooter on goalie opportunities.

 

[McHelpus]

I bash on Skinner but he is always terrible when the season starts. If he is still struggling throughout the year, then they should upgrade goaltending.

But the goal any top 4 Dman and bigger center for me.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Which stats have you shown? Please show those again? I never saw any.

I dont need any words for you on the lead up to this:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857440623965745376

Things like this have been a problem with Kulak for a very long time. He does a lot of little things wrong that aren't as blatantly obvious as a Nurse or Ceci blunder so he doesn't get as much negative attention from fans, but they're actually even more costly overall. The Stanley Cup losing goal against in game 7 was a similar positioning/read issue.

 

[bucks_oil]

You’re right.

Never the goalies fault.

???

You have a reading comprehension issue, I certainly did not say that and I have a post history of pointing out obvious goaltending errors as well as defending them when no major error was committed and the puck goes in anyway... like last night, a night when our $1M backup put up exactly 0.900 SPCT and had one deflection and one breakaway go in on him and got a win.

That is OBJECTIVELY not a bad night.

Everybody makes errors... that's what hockey is about. But there are errors and there are ERRORS. In my opinion, major mental/tactical errors are where we should focus our attention. Pickard made one big one last night (mis-playing the puck), but got away with it. Embersson made one to give up the breakaway and he didn't get away with it, but nobody's blaming him or even talking about it... instead it's on Pickard? It makes no sense.

And for what? Pickard on the breakaway? There's no major visible error there... maybe just maybe he was a bit too early, over-anticipating Smith dragging the puck across to the far side? So he is already pushing with his right and over-weighting his left leg? Shot goes 7-hole rather than in a perfectly squared up belly. As I said above, that's like the equivalent of losing a puck battle because you were off balance. I mean you can blame him if you want, it's just not a very logical point of view.

All goalies make it to the NHL by being self-critical and perfectionists... and the better, more perfect, more consistent ones make $8-10M and still aren't perfect.

You guys are expecting a level of perfection out of Skinner and Pickard that they just frankly aren't capable of and aren't paid to be.

It's like complaining that Derek Ryan or Corey Perry aren't on pace to score 50 goals. I mean Corey has proven he can do that, so what's his problem right?

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

So a HDCA is a shot coming from the area within 29' of center of the net.
Again, you need to add this stat to your evaluation. No where do I see it say an unobstructed/ screened/ guy tied up/ stick on shooter, just shot.
I am speaking of clear shooter on goalie opportunities.

Newsflash: every team in the league gives up clear shooter on goalie opportunities. There's a reason why top 6 forwards in the NHL are as productive as they are. They know where to go to get open looks.

 

[iCanada]

So a HDCA is a shot coming from the area within 29' of center of the net.
Again, you need to add this stat to your evaluation. No where do I see it say an unobstructed/ screened/ guy tied up/ stick on shooter, just shot.
I am speaking of clear shooter on goalie opportunities.

That's actually just straight false.

Natural Stat Trick - Glossary

Basically everything is assumed to be a wide open look unless it's contested and then points taken away, and then points added if it's tipped.

Some models also just go by the xGoals of the chance, but it ends up at around the same spot - a HDSC is approximately 0.15 goals on average.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

???

You have a reading comprehension issue, I certainly did not say that and I have a post history of pointing out obvious goaltending errors as well as defending them when no major error was committed and the puck goes in anyway... like last night, a night when our $1M backup put up exactly 0.900 SPCT and had one deflection and one breakaway go in on him and got a win.

That is OBJECTIVELY not a bad night.

Everybody makes errors... that's what hockey is about. But there are errors and there are ERRORS. In my opinion, major mental/tactical errors are where we should focus our attention. Pickard made one big one last night (mis-playing the puck), but got away with it. Embersson made one to give up the breakaway and he didn't get away with it, but nobody's blaming him or even talking about it... instead it's on Pickard? It makes no sense.

And for what? Pickard on the breakaway? There's no major visible error there... maybe just maybe he was a bit too early, over-anticipating Smith dragging the puck across to the far side? So he is already pushing with his right and over-weighting his left leg? Shot goes 7-hole rather than in a perfectly squared up belly. As I said above, that's like the equivalent of losing a puck battle because you were off balance. I mean you can blame him if you want, it's just not a very logical point of view.

All goalies make it to the NHL by being self-critical and perfectionists... and the better, more perfect, more consistent ones make $8-10M and still aren't perfect.

You guys are expecting a level of perfection out of Skinner and Pickard that they just frankly aren't capable of and aren't paid to be.

It's like complaining that Derek Ryan or Corey Perry aren't on pace to score 50 goals. I mean Corey has proven he can do that, so what's his problem right?

RNH and kulak deserve far more blame for that breakaway than Emberson

 

[bucks_oil]

Where's Pickard's stick, protecting the post?

He HAS to make that save, it was tough, but he played very poorly.

Sorry where do you want his stick to be? I think you need to watch the replay again. The one on NHL.com is too grainy, the ESPN (if you can get it) is better, or if you have access to the game, watch it there.

Pickard's stick is up in the air, because he's in the midst of trying to make a save with his trailing blocker. It hits the blocker cuff and bounces down and in. You cannot simultaneously make a blocker save (or in this case try to make a blocker save) and use your stick to seal the 5-hole ice.

Grainy shot I know, but you can see the puck hitting the inside of his blocker.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

The stats don’t accurately reflect the entire story. Teams have really done their home work and learned to defend what the Oilers want to do in the offensive zone, which is force the puck into the low slot. So teams just collapse on that area and it becomes a pile of bodies, legs, sticks and it’s almost impossible to find the puck let alone get a stick on it and get any sort of clean shot off. Even though they are counted as high danger because of where they’re taken from, the reality is most of them aren’t accurate at all and are just pucks being swept or hacked towards the net, they are pucks a 2x6 stood up on end could stop.

Teams aren’t worried at all about any sort of shots from the Oilers coming from the high slot or outside the home plate area because we almost never shoot from those areas ever, instead the team just passes it around endlessly or McDavid goes for a skate trying to open up a lane that defensively disciplined teams almost never give up anymore now that they know.

A perfect example of this was Nurses first goal last night. The Preds, including their goalie, started collapsing to the middle and weak side because they know the Oilers MO there is to either throw it across the ice, into the low slot or to skate it behind the net. Instead Nurse actually takes the ice they give him and easily buries it into the gaping short side hole because Wedgwood is already positioning himself down and towards the middle of the net expecting to be looking looking through legs for a soft puck in the bottom half of the net.

The Oilers just need to learn to aim. They have the most or 2nd most HDC generated....

What's funny is that the past 3 games, they have started shooting from the medium danger zones more than the low danger zones (blueline), and what do ya know, we are starting to pop in some goals.

The only place teams have done their homework is our PP. They give McDrai less room now.

Edmonton still generates a lot of chances a game as they please.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Wow.
Less means not as many. Never said two either. These guys give up 5 or more some nights.

5 is a good # LMAO

Some teams that we have played this year gave up 14!

If we averaged 5, we would by far be #1 in the NHL for least given up haha

 

[bucks_oil]

RNH and kulak deserve far more blame for that breakaway than Emberson

Kulak maybe (he was the weak-side D as Emberson is kinda-sorta pinching, so he could, arguably should, have been easing back toward the center of the neutral zone already).

I'm curious... Why would you blame RNH? He was actually being pretty responsible to be that high in the zone already... Emberson is well above the face-off circle when he loses the puck, so it's not like you'd expect RNH to be fully back covering the point. Yet he was (almost) because he's cautious like that.

Emberson on the other hand golfs the puck toward the net, creating the turnover and then instead of turning around and getting on his horse, or at least seeing where the passing lane to Smith is... he just kinda stands and admires his giveaway and dares Nashville to pass the puck past him.

 

[oobga]

This could absolutely be a big opportunity to get a guy who's not appreciated that fits what the Oilers need.

Very interesting. Aside from how he has the classic Cody Ceci look on his face in that pic. Don't like that

 

[McJadeddog]

Defensive breakdown by Nuge and Kulak

Yeah, that isn't on Emberson at all.

 

[yukoner88]

Very interesting. Aside from how he has the classic Cody Ceci look on his face in that pic. Don't like that

If he's a decent player, he'd be a good replacement for when Broberg left.

 

[oobga]

Defensive breakdown by Nuge and Kulak

Kulak just protesting not playing with his new bff Nurse. Get some other LHD for the 3rd pair.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Which stats have you shown? Please show those again? I never saw any.

I dont need any words for you on the lead up to this:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857440623965745376

The great defensive player (which is BS for the most part) Ryan Nothing Hopkins

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Yeah, that isn't on Emberson at all.

That was the great 2 way player Hopkins, who could not even make a junior play there to cover for a pinching dman. It should be natural. He is out at C talking to Kulak about his race horses

 

[Tobias Kahun]

The great defensive player (which is BS for the most part) Ryan Nothing Hopkins

Ryan Nothing Happens

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Sorry where do you want his stick to be? I think you need to watch the replay again. The one on NHL.com is too grainy, the ESPN (if you can get it) is better, or if you have access to the game, watch it there.

Pickard's stick is up in the air, because he's in the midst of trying to make a save with his trailing blocker. It hits the blocker cuff and bounces down and in. You cannot simultaneously make a blocker save (or in this case try to make a blocker save) and use your stick to seal the 5-hole ice.

Grainy shot I know, but you can see the puck hitting the inside of his blocker.

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The puck went 5-hole and he played very poorly.

That wasn't Stamkos or Forsberg coming down, that was Cole Smith and he got in very tight, takeaway the bottom of the net and make a guy beat you, basic goaltending stuff, especially for a guy with some size (I am short and was always a short goalie)

To be frank, that looked like a goal let in by a mainly AHL goalie. It's like Nurse's goal that Wedgewood let in, Nurse made a good shot, but he has to have that covered at this level.

It's the same for Pickard here.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

The Oilers just need to learn to aim. They have the most or 2nd most HDC generated....

What's funny is that the past 3 games, they have started shooting from the medium danger zones more than the low danger zones (blueline), and what do ya know, we are starting to pop in some goals.

The only place teams have done their homework is our PP. They give McDrai less room now.

Edmonton still generates a lot of chances a game as they please.

That was kind of my point, that high danger chances can be misleading. Most of the high danger chances Edmonton generates are coming from that high danger area but the shot quality is bad because there’s just way too many bodies to get any sort of quality shot away. Trying to find the puck let alone coral it and get a shot away is hard enough, then it’s got to make it past 6-7 bodies and sticks, so most times if it does get to the goalie it’s along the ice or barely off the ice which a goalie is already covering that part of the net almost completely and pucks are just hitting him rather then him making a save.

On the flip side, while Edmonton doesn’t give up a ton of high danger chances when they do it tends to be a significant defensive breakdown that allows the kind of time and space shooters dream of, like the breakaway that resulted in the tying goal last night.

I’m sure most goalies would prefer to face 6 high danger chances which consist of low quality shots popping out of a dog pile in front of the net more then they’d like to face 2 high danger chances which are high quality like breakaways or wide open looks in the slot.