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[Spawn]

Vejmelka might be interesting but i don't think he would be available at a realistic price for us. Utah is not Arizona. Karel's been keeping them in games. They don't have another starter that would be close. Hrabal is probably 3 years away minimum.

I don't buy it with Utah. They won 5 of their first 6 when they were shooting at like 40%. They'll be fully out of it again come the new year imo.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Blackwood Vladar Lyon are the kind of goalies likely available.
Hofer Daccord might be available if you want to pay through the nose.

Also assuming we get someone like Blackwood/Vladar for Pickard and futures we should also strengthen our farm team. And we should take a couple of future risks as well.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

I don't buy it with Utah. They won 5 of their first 6 when they were shooting at like 40%. They'll be fully out of it again come the new year imo.

They will likely be out of it or close but even so its highly unlikely that will make Vejmelka available.

 

[Spawn]

They will likely be out of it or close but even so its highly unlikely that will make Vejmelka available.

Maybe you're right. Although he is a UFA and they've been using him as their backup. It's not like he's been elite this season. Before his last game against the Hurricanes where he made like 50 saves he had a sub .900 sv%. But when you've only played 4 games, making 49 saves in a game is going to have a big impact on your numbers.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Maybe you're right. Although he is a UFA and they've been using him as their backup.

You want to get someone from Utah ....they have likely given up on Victor Soderstrom. You could likely get his rights cheap and buy him out of Brynas and put him on our farm.
Not going to reach his top pair potential but if he could modify the way he plays has the shot and the IQ to play at the NHL level. With the way he plays now his size and lack of strength hurts him.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Maybe you're right. Although he is a UFA and they've been using him as their backup. It's not like he's been elite this season. Before his last game against the Hurricanes where he made like 50 saves he had a sub .900 sv%. But when you've only played 4 games, making 49 saves in a game is going to have a big impact on your numbers.

Maybe Your right. However just pointing out they have no one in their system that is close that could have a real chance to replace him and its unlikely they see Pickard as a replacement. Well unless your willing to substantially overpay for him...and with our limited assets we should part with and at least two other needs that doesn't make sense.
Given that Schwartz is teflon coated we are better off with a veteran. Vladar likely becomes available closer to the deadline. He is better than Pickard and quite consistent and could push Skinner. Not ideal not a longer term solution but if we fix our RD--one now and one from CBJ at the deadline which we will have to pay for substantially but could be that long term solution.

 

[Spawn]

Maybe Your right. However just pointing out they have no one in their system that is close that could have a real chance to replace him and its unlikely they see Pickard as a replacement. Well unless your willing to substantially overpay for him...and with our limited assets we should part with and at least two other needs that doesn't make sense.
Given that Schwartz is teflon coated we are better off with a veteran. Vladar likely becomes available closer to the deadline. He is better than Pickard and quite consistent and could push Skinner. Not ideal not a longer term solution but if we fix our RD--one now and one from CBJ at the deadline which we will have to pay for substantially but could be that long term solution.

Better off with a veteran? Vladar has half the NHL experience of Vejmelka and is a year younger. Also has worse career numbers.

And you don’t see many teams out of a playoff race unwilling to trade away their UFA backup whether they have a replacement in the system or not.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Better off with a veteran? Vladar has half the NHL experience of Vejmelka and is a year younger. Also has worse career numbers.

And you don’t see many teams out of a playoff race unwilling to trade away their UFA backup whether they have a replacement in the system or not.

Your probably right.

 

[McJadeddog]

At this point Skinner might want to worry about getting his starting job taken by Pickard outright.

Pickard has played now almost 40 games here and his numbers are slightly better than Skinner's all the way through and this guy was basically an AHL toss away, which tells you something. Better save percentage last year, better save percentage in the playoffs, better save percentage again this year.

Yeah, I think there is a reasonable argument that Pickard is better. Pickard is a bottom-quartile goalie in the league as well, so think about that. Skinner isn't the answer, never was, never will be. We need a goalie at the trade deadline more than we need a dman, and its not close.

 

[aspin3]

So exactly how do they even have 9 wins at this point? You think teams are giving them charity points?

The forwards have been bad this year, McDavid even has only exploded the last 3 games.

The goalies have not been good.

Knoublaugh's tighter D structure at 5 on 5 is the main reason they are above .500 right now, if it wasn't for that they'd be several games below.

The D has done their job.

Also Skinner is probably going to get his job taken by an AHL cast off, is he going to blame the team and yell at them for that too?

You didnt read a thing I wrote did you? When I am talking about defence I am talkig

At this point Skinner might want to worry about getting his starting job taken by Pickard outright.

Pickard has played now almost 40 games here and his numbers are slightly better than Skinner's all the way through and this guy was basically an AHL toss away, which tells you something. Better save percentage last year, better save percentage in the playoffs, better save percentage again this year.

Not saying Pickard is in the top half of the league for back-ups by any means and have no concern getting a better back-up but you have no grip of reality at all saying an AHL toss away.

So exactly how do they even have 9 wins at this point? You think teams are giving them charity points?

The forwards have been bad this year, McDavid even has only exploded the last 3 games.

The goalies have not been good.

Knoublaugh's tighter D structure at 5 on 5 is the main reason they are above .500 right now, if it wasn't for that they'd be several games below.

The D has done their job.

Also Skinner is probably going to get his job taken by an AHL cast off, is he going to blame the team and yell at them for that too?

Not only did Drai, MdDavid and Knobs say how that breakaway was unacceptable in their interviews McDavid said "we are starting to tighten it up" but of course Soundwave knows better and says they have been playing tight defence all year. smh

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

So the Habs are last in the entire NHL right now. Calling them about Mike Matheson would be a good idea for the Oilers. Jake Evans is another interesting name to add to the depth.

 

[Soundwave]

You didnt read a thing I wrote did you? When I am talking about defence I am talkig

Not saying Pickard is in the top half of the league for back-ups by any means and have no concern getting a better back-up but you have no grip of reality at all saying an AHL toss away.

Not only did Drai, MdDavid and Knobs say how that breakaway was unacceptable in their interviews McDavid said "we are starting to tighten it up" but of course Soundwave knows better and says they have been playing tight defence all year. smh

The D has been fine. The numbers have been posted repeatedly for you, you just want to live in delusion where you don't like what the advanced stats say so you want to spin a narrative of "achsually I know better than the advanced stats". No you don't, you don't know shit.

The 5 on 5 D has been best part of the team's game this year. They have only allowed 4 more goals at 5 on 5 than Winnipeg has. 5 on 5 they have a lower GA than Florida and Vegas (the no.1 team in the division) and Vancouver (the other team ahead of them).

If the offense wasn't shit to start the year or the goalies trash, they should be no.1 or no.2 in the division now.

Even with the horrendous PK where the goalies are awful, the GA is significantly down overall this year versus the last two seasons. 53 GA versus 66GA last year and 61 GA two years ago through 17 games is a significant improvement. That's fact not an opinion.

Just because a 4th line scrub was cheating out of the zone and managed to get a partial breakaway doesn't invalidate all the work the D does. You're not going to stop teams from getting zero chances for entire periods at a time, that's not how hockey works.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

In Pickard's defense ... Skinner probably finds a way to lose that game in regulation, lol. So maybe we should be grateful what should have been a happy night ended up as one, because I totally could see Skinner giving up 2 in the last 10 minutes.

Pickard is only -1.6 GSAE

Meanwhile Skinner is -7.6

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Pickard is only -1.6 GSAE

Meanwhile Skinner is -7.6

True, but like against the Isles, it only goes to OT because a lack of a save.

They NEED to add a 3rd option to find someone who can give them that one save.

 

[alphahelix]

So the Habs are last in the entire NHL right now. Calling them about Mike Matheson would be a good idea for the Oilers. Jake Evans is another interesting name to add to the depth.

its too bad he shoots left, he has a nice range of talents...

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

its too bad he shoots left, he has a nice range of talents...

Sure, but from what we've seen, it really doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure all of Matheson, Nurse and even Kulak can play both.

It's not perfect, but the team is just better.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

So the Habs are last in the entire NHL right now. Calling them about Mike Matheson would be a good idea for the Oilers. Jake Evans is another interesting name to add to the depth.

Matheson is buns defensively and he doesn't produce when he's not stapled to the top powerplay. Evans is fine but Habs fans have crazy expectations for his return in a trade.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

This could absolutely be a big opportunity to get a guy who's not appreciated that fits what the Oilers need.

 

[Yuke]

The D has been fine. The numbers have been posted repeatedly for you, you just want to live in delusion where you don't like what the advanced stats say so you want to spin a narrative of "achsually I know better than the advanced stats". No you don't, you don't know shit.

The 5 on 5 D has been best part of the team's game this year. They have only allowed 4 more goals at 5 on 5 than Winnipeg has. 5 on 5 they have a lower GA than Florida and Vegas (the no.1 team in the division) and Vancouver (the other team ahead of them).

If the offense wasn't shit to start the year or the goalies trash, they should be no.1 or no.2 in the division now.

Even with the horrendous PK where the goalies are awful, the GA is significantly down overall this year versus the last two seasons. 53 GA versus 66GA last year and 61 GA two years ago through 17 games is a significant improvement. That's fact not an opinion.

Just because a 4th line scrub was cheating out of the zone and managed to get a partial breakaway doesn't invalidate all the work the D does. You're not going to stop teams from getting zero chances for entire periods at a time, that's not how hockey works.

There was this GM in Arizona that just used stats to build his hockey team. How did that work out for John Chayka?
Stats are only good for those who know how to add them to their evaluations. Using them alone just doesn't tell the whole story

 

[Slats432]

Drew O'Connor has worked his way up the Pens line up, I think he playing with Crosby last game v Edmonton. He plays PK and is solid defensively, skates well and is 6'3"

He's an undrafted US college guy who's just continued to play more and more with the Pens, and had 16 goals and 33 pts last year, with good fancies.

I just liked the player when I watched last game and I think he's a good fit.

https://puckpedia.com/player/drew-oconnor

Anyone with speed and physicality would be a welcome addition. Although I don't know what it does to the fourth line. You need a C, Perry brings some physicality, so does Janmark, who I think can play C, but that isn't his natural position.

RNH, McD, Hyman
Skinner, Leon, Arvidsson
Podkolzin, Henrique, Brown
Janmark, Ryan, Perry, (O'Connor)

I have been so busy I haven't seen enough games to know the effectiveness of Ryan and Perry, but personally, I like a faster more phyical 4th. Unless I guess you went something like..

Skinner, McD, Hyman
Podkolzin, Leon, Arvidsson
O'Connor, RNH, Brown
Janmark, Henrique, Perry/Ryan

I think I have seen something like that on the 4th line, and it would be a very slow line. But I do like the idea of O'Connor.

This could absolutely be a big opportunity to get a guy who's not appreciated that fits what the Oilers need.

I would love this. Cost might be an issue, but to add another top 10 pick/prospect would be ideal.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Anyone with speed and physicality would be a welcome addition. Although I don't know what it does to the fourth line. You need a C, Perry brings some physicality, so does Janmark, who I think can play C, but that isn't his natural position.

RNH, McD, Hyman
Skinner, Leon, Arvidsson
Podkolzin, Henrique, Brown
Janmark, Ryan, Perry, (O'Connor)

I have been so busy I haven't seen enough games to know the effectiveness of Ryan and Perry, but personally, I like a faster more phyical 4th. Unless I guess you went something like..

Skinner, McD, Hyman
Podkolzin, Leon, Arvidsson
O'Connor, RNH, Brown
Janmark, Henrique, Perry/Ryan

I think I have seen something like that on the 4th line, and it would be a very slow line. But I do like the idea of O'Connor.


I would love this. Cost might be an issue, but to add another top 10 pick/prospect would be ideal.

I think O'Connor (if they acquire him) would fit on the LW with Henrique and Brown or on the LW with Draisaitl and Arvidsson.

I don't know what that cost would be, because it's a prospect not really coming along drafted by the previous management, but it might not be too high, and he's probably worth the risk.

 

[Slats432]

I think O'Connor (if they acquire him) would fit on the LW with Henrique and Brown or on the LW with Draisaitl and Arvidsson.

I don't know what that cost would be, because it's a prospect not really coming along drafted by the previous management, but it might not be too high, and he's probably worth the risk.

He doesn't have the offensive chops to be top 6. Seems more like a physical energy guy no?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He doesn't have the offensive chops to be top 6. Seems more like a physical energy guy no?

So I think so, but I look at the Oilers and they're deep enough offensively (despite the not scoring right now lol) that energy guys can add value to the top-9.

Like Podkolzin isn't scoring, but his energy and forechecking is turning over pucks and creating space for Draisaitl and Arvidsson, and I think O'Connor could have a similar affect.

 

[Soundwave]

There was this GM in Arizona that just used stats to build his hockey team. How did that work out for John Chayka?
Stats are only good for those who know how to add them to their evaluations. Using them alone just doesn't tell the whole story

This team was just in game f***ing 7 of a Cup Final with no benefit of reliable goaltending.

At what point do the same minority of idiots who think we just run n' gun our way to wins actually open their eyes?

Knoublaugh/Coffey's defensive system prohibits high danger scoring chances, it's the main reason we didn't get eliminated in round 2 again last year, it's the main reason the team is not below .500 right now.

If you don't think so, then explain how the f*** this team is team is 9-7-1 right now? The offence has been poor, McDavid has not been good to start the year aside from the last 3 games, the PP has sucked, the PK has sucked, the goaltending has sucked.

This team would be 5-11-1 right now or worse (2-9-1 like last year) if the D was also terrible on top of that.

The people who want to bend over backwards and kiss their own ass to defend a mediocre goalie in Skinner need to paint the D as bad to support their dumb narrative that "fancy stats" to are wrong because it supports nothing they say.

 

[Slats432]

So I think so, but I look at the Oilers and they're deep enough offensively (despite the not scoring right now lol) that energy guys can add value to the top-9.

Like Podkolzin isn't scoring, but his energy and forechecking is turning over pucks and creating space for Draisaitl and Arvidsson, and I think O'Connor could have a similar affect.

I'll defer to you for two reasons. You know more about O'Connor than me, and you have probably watched more Oilers hockey this year than me.