Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Savoie Gets an Audition With the Trade Deadline Looming

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Blueline blunders and pizzas up the middle have become a staple for him this season and those don't show up on any spreadsheet. A lesser defenseman would've been demoted. Bouchard was amazing in the playoffs last year but this year he looks like MA Bergeron.

He f***ing doesn't he's just struggled more than last year. I get your f***ing mad, but don't be ridiculous.

 

[Soundwave]

Kane's full NMC expires at midnight tonight and becomes a 16 team NTC.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Today would be a great day to see two announcement from the team

1. Dustin Schwartz has been relieved of his duties replaced by (to be determined, though I like hire Kevin Woodley and his whole deal)

2. Stuart Skinner has been trade for (insert goalie, I prefer Vejmelka, Gibson or Luukkonen)

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

The oilers also have the option to waive Kane if he doesn't play ball. I wouldn't be surprised if they threaten him with it. I don't think Kane wants to roll the dice and land up in Chicago instead of competing in the playoffs.

I was told this was all figured out back in the summer. I'm sure Kane knows his options or whatever like you said.

Way too many people freaking out about this.

The bigger question is how much and what can we add to fix this roster....

 

[Shanahanigans]

As bad as we’ve been lately, the fixes are not that hard IMO.

1. Ship out Henrique and Arvidsson, attach a pick or whatever I don’t care, but replace them with the Jake Evans and Joel Armia duo. They are the perfect 3rd liners- fast, big, responsible, can PK and score.

2. Get Mccarron or another cheap 4th line centre for like a 4th.

3. Look for a bonafide top 4rd. Ship out Kane’s salary if you have to. Someone like Matheson isn’t ideal, but he’s miles better than what we have now. Look for a player like that.

4. Vejmelka, Gibson, whoever- make it happen. Get a goalie.

Ideal playoff roster:

RNH-Mcdavid- Hyman
Skinner- Leon- Savoie
Armia-Evans-Brown
Podz- Mccarron- Perry
Janmark

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse- Kulak
Matheson-Emberson

Gibson/Vejmelka

I don’t think this will take a ton of assets but it will take this organization having to make hard decisions they may not want to.
Adding the Montreal duo instantly also improves our speed and forechecking, as well as our PK.

 

[VeteranPresence]

I’m expecting a trade for a goalie today. Make the bleeding stop before we find ourselves out of the playoffs.

Whenever the inevitable happens, I look forward to those who smugly said that Colorado paid too much for Blackwood chiming in about the cost we’ll have to pay now that the entire f***ing league knows we have a five alarm fire in net.

 

[Soundwave]

Whenever the inevitable happens, I look forward to those who smugly said that Colorado paid too much for Blackwood chiming in about the cost we’ll have to pay now that the entire f***ing league knows we have a five alarm fire in net.

Yup, lol.

 

[brentashton]

Another TDL coming fast and the Oilers are showing that they have significant holes in all three areas of their roster.

Cupboards with picks and prospects to facilitate needed upgrades are fairly empty.

Sharks are circling knowing we will have to pay dearly in any transaction.

Should be an interesting next few days.

 

[McDanglez]

Yeah too bad we need to win now, not 3 years from now.

Also maybe it's time to talk about how Emberson is just a warm body and nothing more.

We aren't winning with McLeod. His play last year in the playoffs sealed the deal. 50 points in the regular season isn't winning us a cup.

 

[CupofOil]

Kane's full NMC expires at midnight tonight and becomes a 16 team NTC.

His contract is untradeable.

 

[Canovin]

His contract is untradeable.

Trade Kane to a team that's willing to retain 50% and trade for him back. 2.6M for Kane isn't too bad next season

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

His contract is untradeable.

In the offseason? I don't think so, it's just there won't be much value and you might have to add a bit, but with the cap going up, him being a pending UFA, it's not like trying to dump Campbell, imo.

 

[CornKicker]

you know what would have us in a better position?
-$4M arvidsson
+2M Holloway

 

[Stoneman89]

As bad as we’ve been lately, the fixes are not that hard IMO.

1. Ship out Henrique and Arvidsson, attach a pick or whatever I don’t care, but replace them with the Jake Evans and Joel Armia duo. They are the perfect 3rd liners- fast, big, responsible, can PK and score.

2. Get Mccarron or another cheap 4th line centre for like a 4th.

3. Look for a bonafide top 4rd. Ship out Kane’s salary if you have to. Someone like Matheson isn’t ideal, but he’s miles better than what we have now. Look for a player like that.

4. Vejmelka, Gibson, whoever- make it happen. Get a goalie.

Ideal playoff roster:

RNH-Mcdavid- Hyman
Skinner- Leon- Savoie
Armia-Evans-Brown
Podz- Mccarron- Perry
Janmark

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse- Kulak
Matheson-Emberson

Gibson/Vejmelka

I don’t think this will take a ton of assets but it will take this organization having to make hard decisions they may not want to.
Adding the Montreal duo instantly also improves our speed and forechecking, as well as our PK.

So, we suddenly magically obtain another 5-7 million in cap room and the other GM's in the league are idiots. Piece of cake, got it.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We aren't winning with McLeod. His play last year in the playoffs sealed the deal. 50 points in the regular season isn't winning us a cup.

This was the same thought with Eberle as we offloaded him after a subpar playoffs.

Do you see our bottom six right now and how abysmal it is yet again?

 

[Canovin]

This was the same thought with Eberle as we offloaded him after a subpar playoffs.

Do you see our bottom six right now and how abysmal it is yet again?

Eberle wasn't worth the 6M at the time and for many years too. I think people are forgetting that.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

you know what would have us in a better position?
-$4M arvidsson
+2M Holloway

Yes, that wasn't exactly the "choice" but yeah it looks bad. I'm shocked how bad of a fit Arvidsson has been with this team.

Looking at this team, I sincerely believe Sam Lafferty and Jordan Greenway would dramatically improve and change the bottom-6, they need to call Buffalo already.

 

[TB12]

Feel the McLeod trade for Savoie isn't talked about enough.
His points pace is close to 50 this season, and he was a PKer for the Oilers. Savoie was likely not to be NHL ready and isn't exactly getting a fair chance anyway.

McLeod sucks. Full stop. Balls of a church mouse. He can skate around fast on the perimeter in Buffalo doing irrelevant things on an irrelevant team, accomplishing absolutely nothing. Playoff teams with Cup aspirations don't touch McLeod with a 30' pole. Guy is soft as baby shit. So happy to never see him in an Oilers uniform again.

 

[TB12]

2mil cap hit for someone on pace for almost 50pts, kills penalties, fast and playing top 6 is great value though. Majority of Sabres' media and fans seem to really like the guy.

Ok, we get it you like Clouder.

In the real world, he's a fast skating p***y. Don't win with guys like that. I'm glad you're enjoying Buffalo for him, perfect fit of a team: no playoff hopes, just skate around fast, doing not much that winning teams need. Absolutely nothing was lost getting rid of that baby soft player. Addition by subtraction. I'm sure he's loving putting up empty calorie points on an utterly irrelevant, moribund franchise like Buffalo. No hope, no expectations on him. He can figure skate his way around the ice doing nothing in perpetuity in shit hole Buffalo.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Eberle wasn't worth the 6M at the time and for many years too. I think people are forgetting that.

But we didn't need to trade him. Chiarelli opted for cap space that they never used because they weren't near a playoff spot when the TDL rolled around.

Now here we are again, hoping cap space will put our fat out of the fire.

 

[Canovin]

But we didn't need to trade him. Chiarelli opted for cap space that they never used because they weren't near a playoff spot when the TDL rolled around.

Now here we are again, hoping cap space will put our fat out of the fire.

Trading him for Ryan Strome was fine IMO. Strome was making less and was re-establishing his game and a decent middle 6 player for many years. The extra cap space if Chia had a brain would have had some purpose. The issue was trading Strome for Spooner.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Trading him for Ryan Strome was fine IMO. Strome was making less and was re-establishing his game. The extra cap space if Chia had a brain would have had some purpose. The issue was trading Strome for Spooner.

It really wasn't. Chiarelli opted that offseason to go backwards instead of improving the team. It was a monumentally bad offseason that set the team back years.

Now we're held hostage by the notion that Kane might return before the season ends which puts the kibosh on any substantial TDL plans. These people are bloody morons.

 

[Soundwave]

Wasting big assets on bottom 6 players is going to be stupid, the team needs another Hyman or Ekholm like add that significantly moves the team forward and takes pressure off McDavid and Draisaitl to have to do everything.

That's basically going to have to be a goalie at this point because it's the teams weakest position and Skinner has proved he's a backup this year, if there was any doubt last night's game was the last nail in the coffin.

Then after that you can assess what else you can do at the deadline for the other positions. You can probably get Dumoulin as a vet D add in a Gibson trade for example if that's the goalie route the Oilers opt for. So that's two sizable problem areas down.

 

[K1984]

The thing is, not all turnovers are created equally. The turnovers, like for example the one on that pivotal goal against Colorado right before the break, have happened far too often with him almost every game it seems like in the last month or two. They're generally really ugly turnovers and happen at inopportune times.
Not even turnovers, his defending in space as well. Skinner was terrible on that 2nd goal against Tampa but where exactly was Bouchard on that play? Controller disconnected then sort of just gives a soft waive with his stick as Hagel easily works his way around the net. Can't have that at a high level of hockey,

I value Bouchard highly, I saw enough of him last year to see a guy that has top 10 Dman in the league potential when his head is right but his head is elsewhere this season and he's a big reason why the Oilers have struggled a lot in the last month. He's their engine in a lot of ways, Bad Bouchard =Bad Oilers, Good Bouchard = Good Oilers and there's been a lot of Bad Bouchard the second half of this season.
It's sort of how I felt about Draisaitl in the early years when he was making those same egregious turnovers, although less frequently than what we're seeing with Bouchard now, with the difference being that you can get away with that more as a forward, not as a Dman.

Bouchard and RNH are the litmus test for if this team is playing well or not. When both of them are playing their p***y brand of soft, slow, stupid, turnover filled hockey, usually the rest of the team is playing like ass right with them.

Both of them have been terrible for most of the year.

 

[foshizzle]

The thing is, not all turnovers are created equally. The turnovers, like for example the one on that pivotal goal against Colorado right before the break, have happened far too often with him almost every game it seems like in the last month or two. They're generally really ugly turnovers and happen at inopportune times.
Not even turnovers, his defending in space as well. Skinner was terrible on that 2nd goal against Tampa but where exactly was Bouchard on that play? Controller disconnected then sort of just gives a soft waive with his stick as Hagel easily works his way around the net. Can't have that at a high level of hockey,

I value Bouchard highly, I saw enough of him last year to see a guy that has top 10 Dman in the league potential when his head is right but his head is elsewhere this season and he's a big reason why the Oilers have struggled a lot in the last month. He's their engine in a lot of ways, Bad Bouchard =Bad Oilers, Good Bouchard = Good Oilers and there's been a lot of Bad Bouchard the second half of this season.
It's sort of how I felt about Draisaitl in the early years when he was making those same egregious turnovers, although less frequently than what we're seeing with Bouchard now, with the difference being that you can get away with that more as a forward, not as a Dman.

I agree that not all turnovers are created equal. Looking at those stats, per Mike Kelly- the xG of shot attempts from Bouchard’s turnover is roughly 6- which has him in the middle of the league. Dmen with higher xGA are ones that Oil fans clamour for…Hedman, McAvoy, Theodore, Toews (those are just some of the ones Mike Kelly mentions). Bottom line is this, his turnover rate as a percentage of possession is 6th best in the league. He is amongst the best in The league in the in HDCF% and SCF%. He is in the middle of the pack for xGA off his giveaways. Only 11% of his possessions result in giveaways - I’ll give you that even though his giveaway rate is low- more of them are scoring chances- but not at the rate Oilers fans think…it’s about average for an NHL d man.

So he isn’t the defensive liability people think. Fans are more concerned with, and you mentioned “he LOOKS” lazy which means absolutely nothing. He is also only 25. No one touches the puck more than he does on the Oilers. I mean- he can stop out-letting the puck and just play catch with Ekholm like Larsson and Klef used to do (driving the forwards, coaches, and fans nuts) or just bang it off the glass every time. His possession and giveaways would go down and the offence would take a huge freaking hit and puck would be in the oilers zone way more- but hey- no more complaining about turnovers

Trading him for Ryan Strome was fine IMO. Strome was making less and was re-establishing his game and a decent middle 6 player for many years. The extra cap space if Chia had a brain would have had some purpose. The issue was trading Strome for Spooner.

The Strome deal was terrible. All his metrics showed he was about to breakout. Many on here saw it and predicted it. When he was traded, the damn broke and he went on to score what- 26 goals once traded?

It really wasn't. Chiarelli opted that offseason to go backwards instead of improving the team. It was a monumentally bad offseason that set the team back years.

Now we're held hostage by the notion that Kane might return before the season ends which puts the kibosh on any substantial TDL plans. These people are bloody morons.

Trade him if that happens. Why anyone would give a NTC is beyond me.