Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Savoie Gets an Audition With the Trade Deadline Looming

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Our oldest players ARE NOT our core. They are our issue. Perry, Henrique, Arvidsson, Brown, etc. ARE NOT our core. The issue is not bringing in youth and speed is our very issue. To trade Savoie who is already better than 7 of our forwards is pulling the pin on a gernade. McDavid do not want to be playing with all AHLers on our third and 4th line because we have no ELCs to keep our cap down. We already gave up Broberg, Holloway, Kesselring, etc. To keep down that pathway is ludicrous. Draft picks are further away but Savoie is a top 9 next year for sure. O'reilly likely makes the team towards the end of next year. They traded a first to pick him in that spot. Time to be realistic of what they will do based on that.

Outside of Mcdavid, Drai, Savoie the future looks bleak. (one could argue Bouchard, but he has so many issues right now)

Literally the whole roster needs to be replaced as the next few years go on. Good luck being a Stanley cup contender.....

I don't think people really understand how important right now is and how our window is closing fast.

 

[McShogun99]

How many times has the lower seed won the Cup Finals?

We're not gunning for the President's Trophy, what good does finishing second in the division yet again do for us? Or worse, third?

We just need to be better then Vegas and LA down the stretch. Zero chance we're catching Winnipeg. Get 1st in the Division and Worry about playing Winnipeg or Washington in the playoffs if it actually happens.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

It is encouraging in that we are an older team that likely is saving something in the tank for the playoffs. It's common. So as bad as things are, they are likely to improve.

Heck even with Bouchard, he's been a seive in defense but tightened it up a lot in the playoffs. I'm not that worried about it. Draisiatl used to be "lazy" as well mid season for extended stretches

I'm worried about goaltending but I will give some leeway for the duldrums of the season. But there has never really been a great span for them. The hot streaks seem really dependant on us playing crazy good defense, and the stats speak for themselves

I'm losing hope that we get a goalie but I'll hold off on judgment until the deadline passes

I think that is just being overly optimistic. Our roster is worse than last year, slower, older, etc.

We have to put 100 percent effort into winning games and it seems like we struggle to keep up at times. Our roster is close to being a serious threat, but in dire need of 3 things:

1. Skinner needs to be better or switched out
2. We need a top 6 winger very badly
3. More defensive depth

Adding a bottom 6 player will be a bigger joke than last years deadline.

 

[McTedi]

Outside of Mcdavid, Drai, Savoie the future looks bleak. (one could argue Bouchard, but he has so many issues right now)

Literally the whole roster needs to be replaced as the next few years go on. Good luck being a Stanley cup contender.....

I don't think people really understand how important right now is and how our window is closing fast.

Sky is falling post. 4 bad game slide has changed the narrative that much eh? Lots of leadership on this team, they will get it going.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Outside of Mcdavid, Drai, Savoie the future looks bleak. (one could argue Bouchard, but he has so many issues right now)

Literally the whole roster needs to be replaced as the next few years go on. Good luck being a Stanley cup contender.....

I don't think people really understand how important right now is and how our window is closing fast.

This organization has very little pipeline. It's hope will be in their buying power as an elite revenue driver to buy and plug in established NHL talent within the huge cap jumps to $104 million in 26-27 then $113.5 million the year after. Not every team is likely to compete at upper cap threshold based on their market realities and Edmonton should be one of a few who likely can and will.

The traditional draft development function is dead for the next couple years. I can imagine them keeping and plugging in Savoie, O'Reilly maybe in three years (post Henrique contract), maybe one or two specific system players. Not efficient way to do business. But this organization has burned through its draft collateral and with poor draft development and terrible asset management as we saw this summer.

Big upside is its super elite talents will be signed and under contract. Building around McDavid, Draisaitl along with Bouchard will be the game plan.

 

[Zguy370]

Like the players, I'm taking a break until we get a goalie.

Yup, been doing that all season long!

 

[K1984]

Sky is falling post. 4 bad game slide has changed the narrative that much eh? Lots of leadership on this team, they will get it going.

Its funny how the team is only "old and slow" when playing like complete ass, but then mysteriously aren't all that old and slow when they're actually working hard and playing properly. Were old and slow in October, then mysteriously were not all that old and slow from November to January, then lo and behold they're old and slow again now.

This isn't their normal output, and we should all know that by now. It's infuriating that they flat out take weeks of each season off, but it's not because of roster construction. There is just a mental disease in the room that causes them to flail for a stretch of play team wide every year.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Sky is falling post. 4 bad game slide has changed the narrative that much eh? Lots of leadership on this team, they will get it going.

I've been on the viewpoint for a while now. Last year I said they have two years to Win a cup. It has nothing to due with our recent losses.

You realize this year the rest of the NHL is as weak as its ever been? This little losing streak aside we have already seen regression from our older players this season.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Sky is falling post. 4 bad game slide has changed the narrative that much eh? Lots of leadership on this team, they will get it going.

They've been playing bad for basically the entire month.

 

[soothsayer]

They've been playing bad for basically the entire month.

Since the end of January, starting that Buffalo game, which they won but looked really bad.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

You can tell who doesn't watch Parayko. He would be the second best defenseman on this team the moment he put on an Oilers jersey.

Bullshit, he's got an impressive toolset in combination with his size, but he does not tilt the ice like Bouchard (major possession driver) and while in the right places often does not have the same attention to detail as Ekholm nor does he separate players from pucks as well as him.

I'd put him 3rd over Nurse, he's a big time quality add, but they want an arm & a leg for him, but I think he's only worth an arm, he's overrated by the old guys who don't understand modern hockey and what actually drives wins and underrated by the analytics community, nestled somewhere in between.

 

[foshizzle]

Outside of Mcdavid, Drai, Savoie the future looks bleak. (one could argue Bouchard, but he has so many issues right now)

Literally the whole roster needs to be replaced as the next few years go on. Good luck being a Stanley cup contender.....

I don't think people really understand how important right now is and how our window is closing fast.

Bouchard doesn’t have issues- the fans do.

Per Mike Kelly:

Bouchard is 2nd in the league in giveaways. Weegar is 1st. Karlsson is 3rd, Kucherov is 4th, MacKinnon is 8th, Theodore 9th, and Rob Brown’s favourite - Werenski is 12th. Bouchard touches the puck ALOT. Only 11% of his possessions are turnovers 6th lowest amongst all d men.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Any interest in Wahlstrom?

I'd be interested in him for the AHL club, I think he needs to be rebuilt from the ground up and get some confidence back in his offensive tools, but I don't see him as an NHL player at the moment.

 

[K1984]

Bouchard doesn’t have issues- the fans do.

Per Mike Kelly:

Bouchard is 2nd in the league in giveaways. Weegar is 1st. Karlsson is 3rd, Kucherov is 4th, MacKinnon is 8th, Theodore 9th, and Rob Brown’s favourite - Werenski is 12th. Bouchard touches the puck ALOT. Only 11% of his possessions are turnovers 6th lowest amongst all d men.

Not all turnovers are created equal.

I doubt any of the other players you listed are throwing up multiple 10 bell pizzas every game, at least some of which are ending in the back of their net. He probably had similar turnover numbers in the past, but nobody batted an eye because they weren't as astoundingly f***ing stupid, preventable and consequential as the ones he's coughing up now.

 

[soothsayer]

Bullshit, he's got an impressive toolset in combination with his size, but he does not tilt the ice like Bouchard (major possession driver) and while in the right places often does not have the same attention to detail as Ekholm nor does he separate players from pucks as well as him.

I'd put him 3rd over Nurse, he's a big time quality add, but they want an arm & a leg for him, but I think he's only worth an arm, he's overrated by the old guys who don't understand modern hockey and what actually drives wins and underrated by the analytics community, nestled somewhere in between.

I have him in front of Bouchard this year. He has more even strength goals, more even strength points, and plays more minutes. He's clearly better defensively than Bouchard and doesn't make 5-alarm turnovers almost every game. If Bouchard gets back to his 2024 playoff form, then that changes things. But right now Parayko is a better defenseman than Bouchard.

Parayko probably shouldn't be playing 24 minutes a night. But him paired with Nurse would give a legitimate 22 minutes a night on the second pairing, shave off a minute from Ekholm and Bouchard, and push Kulak down to 17 minutes with Klingberg.

All this is moot because I don't think there's any way they get Parayko.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Speaking of that...remember when people were saying that trade was Calgary getting two top6 players for free? haha

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McDavid has 1 goal in the last 7 games though too and is a -11 and I think only has 1 5v5 point

Not all turnovers are created equal.

I doubt any of the other players you listed are throwing up multiple 10 bell pizzas every game, at least some of which are ending in the back of their net. He probably had similar turnover numbers in the past, but nobody batted an eye because they weren't as astoundingly f***ing stupid, preventable and consequential as the ones he's coughing up now.

Forwards do all the time but they have a defender behind them to cover. Defenders don’t have anyone except the goalie.

I think that is just being overly optimistic. Our roster is worse than last year, slower, older, etc.

We have to put 100 percent effort into winning games and it seems like we struggle to keep up at times. Our roster is close to being a serious threat, but in dire need of 3 things:

1. Skinner needs to be better or switched out
2. We need a top 6 winger very badly
3. More defensive depth

Adding a bottom 6 player will be a bigger joke than last years deadline.

We will add a 4c and a d like Savard who the team is going to be like “he is old and experienced therefore better…doesn’t matter that his game has fallen off a cliff”

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

He's been by far the worst player on the team yet he gets unlimited chances because speed.

Kapanen belongs on waivers.

He comes nowhere close to creating as much as he gives up.

 

[Fourier]

Bouchard doesn’t have issues- the fans do.

Per Mike Kelly:

Bouchard is 2nd in the league in giveaways. Weegar is 1st. Karlsson is 3rd, Kucherov is 4th, MacKinnon is 8th, Theodore 9th, and Rob Brown’s favourite - Werenski is 12th. Bouchard touches the puck ALOT. Only 11% of his possessions are turnovers 6th lowest amongst all d men.

I am curious where you get your stats from. Are you using a paid site??

 

[McDNicks17]

I am curious where you get your stats from. Are you using a paid site??

Kelly said it's from SportsLogIQ in a reply to Spector.

edit: He was referencing this tweet:

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I have him in front of Bouchard this year. He has more even strength goals, more even strength points, and plays more minutes. He's clearly better defensively than Bouchard and doesn't make 5-alarm turnovers almost every game. If Bouchard gets back to his 2024 playoff form, then that changes things. But right now Parayko is a better defenseman than Bouchard.

Parayko probably shouldn't be playing 24 minutes a night. But him paired with Nurse would give a legitimate 22 minutes a night on the second pairing, shave off a minute from Ekholm and Bouchard, and push Kulak down to 17 minutes with Klingberg.

All this is moot because I don't think there's any way they get Parayko.

I went into detail in a past post about Parayko. He's a high end shutdown defender and deployed as one with heavily tilted defensive zone ice-time, suppression responsibilities. Yet he still drives EV production. In fact he's their defense top point production even with only 1 PP point.

It's reinforced in NHLEdge where Parayko's zone time splits against team results are as follows:

Zone Time (All Situation)
O-Zone
Parayko: 40.1% NHL below 50 percentile
Team: 42.4% NHL 61 percentile

D-Zone
Parayko: 41.7% NHL below 50 percentile
Team: 39.6% NHL 67 percentile

*Zone Time (EV)
O-Zone
Parayko: 41% NHL below 50 percentile
Team: 42% NHL 64 percentile

D-Zone
Parayko: 40.2 NHL below 50 percentile
Team: 39.4% NHL 67 percentile
Yet he more than keeps his head above water relative to his team. 24:02 avg toi, +6 on team with -11 goal differential. This is a big minute goal suppression guy heavily weighted to team defending yet skilled enough to add offense with 32 points, 31 EV or SH, along with 13 goals. Add on his physical dimensions, elite speed, endurance, and shot measures. Just to add his point share stats show as 2.7 offensive results and 8.7 defensive for a +11.5 point share (that estimates the number of points contributed by a player).

He's an Ekholm style two-way defender on a way worse team. Bouchard is an entirely different defender with rare elite offensive abilities currently having some wobbles with own zone defending.

Would be a game changer slotting into a middle pair on a window team. But out of the Oilers trade collateral to acquire, if at all available.

EDIT: *Broke out Zone Time into All Situations and EV. not including PK Zone Time with skews even further defensive zone deployment

 

[Zerotonine]

Agreed, and first and foremost being Kane's. Serevalli really made it sound like the organization is concerned that he may make things difficult for them.

Kane isn't even playing and people still throwing shit at him. I mean of he is healthy to play di you blame the guy about wanting to get in and up to game shape before the playoffs?

I see it now he doesn't play before playoffs, he will obviously be a few steps behind esp for playoff hockey and the pitch forks will be out in full force.

Man this fan base is toxic.

 

[Oilers88]

Agreed, and first and foremost being Kane's. Serevalli really made it sound like the organization is concerned that he may make things difficult for them.

You can definitely sense that there is some serious frustration with the player, so I don't think there is any question that he hasn't made this easy on them. My bigger question is why the organization pivoted away from their decision to stay out of LTIR and accrue cap space in order to pick up Kapanen and Klingberg. The only things that make sense to me are: (i) Kane indicated to them that he was willing to stay out to the playoffs, then backtracked; (ii) when they learned about his second surgery, they decided to gamble that he would miss the whole year and it's now biting them; or (iii) they looked at the defensive market, felt it was complete garbage, and legitimately decided that Klingberg for free might be better than a lot of what is out there.

 

[foshizzle]

Kapanen belongs on waivers.

He comes nowhere close to creating as much as he gives up.

Thank you!! Completely useless player.

Kelly said it's from SportsLogIQ in a reply to Spector.

edit: He was referencing this tweet:

Thank you!

 

[soothsayer]

Kane isn't even playing and people still throwing shit at him. I mean of he is healthy to play di you blame the guy about wanting to get in and up to game shape before the playoffs?

I see it now he doesn't play before playoffs, he will obviously be a few steps behind esp for playoff hockey and the pitch forks will be out in full force.

Man this fan base is toxic.

What are you going on about? No one is pitchforking Kane. Everyone wants him back in the playoffs.

 

[McAsuno]

I love Kaner. I miss having him in the lineup. But it would be absolute stupidity if he tries to come back when he’s not even 100% healthy. Simply LTIR Vegas cap circumvent his ass, and use that extra cap space to obtain good players. I do not want to hear any of that “dollar in dollar out - up to the cap” kind of excuses especially if other teams including VGK pull it off again.

The organization should be the one dictating when Kane comes back, not Kane himself.

Anyways, where’s the trades? NHL gms are so boring compared to the NBA. Heck, feel free to start the “___ won’t be playing due to trade-related purposes” tonight.