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Arpeggio said:
I can't see Carolina moving Rantanen unless they get something back that helps them right now. They gave up a very good player to get him and are trying to win a Cup. If he was available, I don't think the Oil have the assets to get something like that done.
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Adam Fox was last guy I can remember who was traded to Carolina and then flipped for a 2nd and conditional 3rd after it was reported he only wanted to sign with NYR. He was a prospect tho.

Maybe 1st and conditional 2nd will get the job done?
 
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CantHaveTkachev said:
wrong, I've maintained that 2-1 was weak on Skinner
doesn't change the fact the Oilers scored 1 goal in that game...ONE

a team with McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman and Bouchard shouldn't need 1 goal to win a game

again, to simplify...their elite players, the ones that get paid the big bucks to win them games...came up huge in critical games while our didn't
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No that's not correct. If we are going to simplify those 2 games - Bobrovsky took 5 goals off the board while Skinner didn't take off any.

Arpeggio said:
I can't see Carolina moving Rantanen unless they get something back that helps them right now. They gave up a very good player to get him and are trying to win a Cup. If he was available, I don't think the Oil have the assets to get something like that done.
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At this point what Carolina gave up is a sunk cost.

If they don't think he will sign for what they can offer him, they have two options:

1. Let him walk as a UFA
2. Trade him for the best package they can get.

I wonder if his value is low knowing that he is going to hit the market and is strictly a pure rental.
 
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McDoused said:
I strongly disagree with this statement. I don't see them being the two sides of the same coin at all.

Rather, if we look at xGF and xGA we can see how many chances a team generates and how well the team performs. To say the Oilers forwards didn't do enough is too simplistic and completely removes the goaltendings performance from the equation. Instead, look at it like this: Bobrovsky in 2 critical games saved 5.36 GSAx while Skinner "did his job" stopping the pucks he should have with a -0.06 GSAx.

In game 1, Edmonton had 3.74 xGF but couldn't score. That means that Bob saved x3.74 GSAx.

In game 7, Edmonton had 2.62 xGF but only scored once. That means that Bob saved x1.62 GSAx.

Meanwhile Skinner let in 2 in both games 1 (x1.85 GA) and 7 (x2.09 GA). for -0.06 GSAx.
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Sure and the forwards scored 1 goal with that forward being Janmark with ZERO scored in Game 1.
Hard to win hockey games when your forwards combine for 1 goal in those 2 games with 0 coming from the core guys in those games or lets expand it to another game, Game 2 with only 1 goal scored in that game which was by Ekholm so zero goals by the core forwards in 3 games. You can do a deep dive into the numbers all you want but at the end of the day, it was 1 goal by the Oilers forwards in those 3 games. Hard to win hockey games that way.

As I said in the other post, it's possible to say that Skinner could have been better while also saying that the forwards should share the blame too. I bet that McDavid himself would say that he wasn't good enough.
When you lose 7-1 in the first two games of a Cup final, there's plenty of blame to go around.
 
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McDoused said:
No that's not correct. If we are going to simplify those 2 games - Bobrovsky took 5 goals off the board while Skinner didn't take off any.



At this point what Carolina gave up is a sunk cost.

If they don't think he will sign for what they can offer him, they have two options:

1. Let him walk as a UFA
2. Trade him for the best package they can get.

I wonder if his value is low knowing that he is going to hit the market and is strictly a pure rental.
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That would just be horrendous management on their part. Basically tanking a season during your competitive window. If they don't think he's going to sign, the smart move imo would be to keep him for the playoff run. Surely they were aware of the risk of him not signing, and still chose to give up Necas for him.
 
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McDoused said:
The Oilers x goals for game 1 was 3.74. You can have the best offence in the league but if the other team's goalie stands on his head and steals the game, it doesn't matter.

Meanwhile Skinner couldn't stop a beach ball on the x 1.85 goals headed his way.

I'm not pinning the loss directly on Skinner. Rather, I'm saying that Bob stole a game which is something that Skinner wasn't able to do.

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The game of hockey isn't won on a spreadsheet. Advanced stats have their place but people need to stop treating it as a religion. Give me actual goals rather than expected goals.
 
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TB12 said:
I will always call out posters who shit on 2 of the best players in the world to prop up a mediocre goalie. I don't care if people are on eggshells because of that. Posters can like and defend Skinner all they want, I truly don't care. But to defend him by calling out McDrai is an absolute joke.

I get mad at the McDrai slander that is just f***ing RIDICULOUS. This team would be an absolute wasteland without those 2 and shitting on them is just a completely stupid take. We are so f***ing lucky to have those 2 guys. Some Oilers fans cannot recognize greatness.
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Yeah the moustache rides comment was kind of douchey. You can always choose to be nice.
 
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TopShelfGloveSide said:
You only dislike advanced stats when they don’t support your opinion.
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Advanced stats don't always tell the whole story. But here's a question that I'd be interested to know the answer to. People talk a lot about Skinner allowing more xG than the team gave up in any given game... How many times this year have we scored less than our xGF?

The Oilers did play well in Game 1, but they failed to score. They ironically scored more in game 2 despite being terrible in that game (and the goal they did score was laughably bad).

Plus the thing to consider about advanced stats is teams that are trailing will tend to ramp up their offensive game more while the team that's ahead will play less risky hockey, ergo less offensive chances.
 
KeithIsActuallyBad said:
Advanced stats don't always tell the whole story. But here's a question that I'd be interested to know the answer to. People talk a lot about Skinner allowing more xG than the team gave up in any given game... How many times this year have we scored less than our xGF?

The Oilers did play well in Game 1, but they failed to score. They ironically scored more in game 2 despite being terrible in that game (and the goal they did score was laughably bad).

Plus the thing to consider about advanced stats is teams that are trailing will tend to ramp up their offensive game more while the team that's ahead will play less risky hockey, ergo less offensive chances.
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I agree they don’t tell the whole story but they definitely tell part of it. When every single related stat says it an issue and not just a couple of them then it’s probably an issue.
 
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You only dislike advanced stats when they don’t support your opinion.
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Well, the Oilers scored 2 total goals in those 3 losses. No amount of expected goals for can put a lipstick on that pig. Actual goals need to count for something especially if it's a bigger 3 game sample size.

TB12 said:
Putting up a .900 is too hard.
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Well, Skinner put up a .970,, .906, .952 and .905 the last 4 games of the Panthers series and .909+ in 5 of the 6 games against Dallas so he was largely doing his job in those last two series and the aforementioned Game 7 that we've been discussing.
 
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KeithIsActuallyBad said:
The game of hockey isn't won on a spreadsheet. Advanced stats have their place but people need to stop treating it as a religion. Give me actual goals rather than expected goals.
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Advanced stats and hockey analytics are a part of the game. These metrics allow us to quantify and discuss what we are seeing on the ice, not contradicting it. The data and spreadsheets are driven by the on-ice results. It's treated "as religion" because it's the truth without bias. Expected goals drive actual goals. It's the best indicator of success that we have. Sure, everyone would rather have an actual goal on the board, which is why you "do the little things" that result in more chances, more possession and a better opportunity at winning. Generating chances and trusting the process will yield the results.

PDO will always be part of the game but apart from sticking a horseshoe up your ass, you can't control luck. Last night was an example of an even game where it could have gone either way. The goal is tilt the ice in your favor and create data driven results, instead of praying to the PDO gods.

I'd love to hear the alternative and argument for ignoring what the data is telling you? Is your plan to yell at your forwards to shoot the puck better?

Also just saw this:

 
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CupofOil said:
Well, the Oilers scored 2 total goals in those 3 losses. No amount of expected goals for can put a lipstick on that pig. Actual goals need to count for something especially if it's a bigger 3 game sample size.


Well, Skinner put up a .970,, .906, .952 and .905 the last 4 games of the Panthers series and .909+ in 5 of the 6 games against Dallas so he was largely doing his job in those last two series and the aforementioned Game 7 that we've been discussing.
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Yet still a playoff 894 sv%.
 
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