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TB12 said:
I will always call out posters who shit on 2 of the best players in the world to prop up a mediocre goalie. I don't care if people are on eggshells because of that. Posters can like and defend Skinner all they want, I truly don't care. But to defend him by calling out McDrai is an absolute joke.

I get mad at the McDrai slander that is just f***ing RIDICULOUS. This team would be an absolute wasteland without those 2 and shitting on them is just a completely stupid take. We are so f***ing lucky to have those 2 guys. Some Oilers fans cannot recognize greatness.
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"McDavid and Draisaitl weren't good enough"
"why do you hate them so much?!"

people hear what they wanna hear I guess
 
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Canovin said:
If Stuart didn't let in the softie in game 7, who knows what magical moment Drai or McDavid could have given to us in OT

Binnington did exactly that on the biggest stage and McDavid delivered the golden goal
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Do you understand yoir rationale? Could just as easy saying if Binninhton didn't let in that soft second goal we wouldn't have had to go to OT
 
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OilerTyler said:
Same as if we had a better offence. We scored one goal in games 1 and 2 combined and then laid an egg in game 7. I think the idea that one thing went wrong or that it's one players fault that we lost the cup is ridiculous.


Saying Draisaitl and McDavid had a bad game 7 isn't "slander" lol. They didn't have any points. Do you think they had a good game? It's possible to acknowledge that they are great players that had a great playoffs (overall) while acknowledging that they didn't do their part in the most important game. No one is saying they are trash.
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I recall a few weeks ago there was a Pronger interview and he stated that in the playoffs your top 6 basically cancels out and it’s your bottom 6 where the difference is magnified. I’ll agree with the hall of famer on this one.
 
McDoused said:
Did you watch game 1? They threw the kitchen sink at Bob and he stood on his head. Skinner was the second best goalie on the ice.
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So they had tons of chances and didnt score.
So how were they going to win the game?

You understand you actually have to score to win right? There are no Virgin Mary victories in hockey!
 
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TB12 said:
I will always call out posters who shit on 2 of the best players in the world to prop up a mediocre goalie. I don't care if people are on eggshells because of that. Posters can like and defend Skinner all they want, I truly don't care. But to defend him by calling out McDrai is an absolute joke.

I get mad at the McDrai slander that is just f***ing RIDICULOUS. This team would be an absolute wasteland without those 2 and shitting on them is just a completely stupid take. We are so f***ing lucky to have those 2 guys. Some Oilers fans cannot recognize greatness.
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We're just talking about Game 7 though. They put up a zero in that game and are paid incredibly well to come up big in those moments so it's fair to call them out for not showing up in a Game 7 (Drai could barely skate so it's understandable). This doesn't mean that they didn't carry the Oilers to that point or to imply that Skinner did but if we're just talking Game 7 against Florida, they didn't rise in the moment.
It can also be stated that Skinner should have had the Reinhart goal but generally when you give up 2 goals, you're giving your team a chance even in a tight checking Game 7.
This does not imply that a poster is Skinner's mom or relative just because they dare say that he's not utter garbage.
 
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dem said:
So they had tons of chances and didnt score.
So how were they going to win the game?

You understand you actually have to score to win right? There are no Virgin Mary victories in hockey!
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CantHaveTkachev said:
so was the offense...you know, the strength of the team?
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The Oilers x goals for game 1 was 3.74. You can have the best offence in the league but if the other team's goalie stands on his head and steals the game, it doesn't matter.

Meanwhile Skinner couldn't stop a beach ball on the x 1.85 goals headed his way.

I'm not pinning the loss directly on Skinner. Rather, I'm saying that Bob stole a game which is something that Skinner wasn't able to do.

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McDoused said:
The Oilers x goals for game 1 was 3.74. You can have the best offence in the league but if the other team's goalie stands on his head and steals the game, it doesn't matter.

Meanwhile Skinner couldn't stop a beach ball on the x 1.85 goals headed his way.

I'm not pinning the loss directly on Skinner. Rather, I'm saying that Bob stole a game which is something that Skinner wasn't able to do.

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Saying Bobrovsky stood on his head is just another way to say our forwards failed to capitalize on their opportunities. It's two sides of the same coin. Our forwards needed to be better.
 
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McDoused said:
The Oilers x goals for game 1 was 3.74. You can have the best offence in the league but if the other team's goalie stands on his head and steals the game, it doesn't matter.

Meanwhile Skinner couldn't stop a beach ball on the x 1.85 goals headed his way.

I'm not pinning the loss directly on Skinner. Rather, I'm saying that Bob stole a game which is something that Skinner wasn't able to do.

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again, this proves their elite players did their jobs and came through when it mattered, while our didn't
that's not "hating", that's a fact
 
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aspin3 said:
Do you understand yoir rationale? Could just as easy saying if Binninhton didn't let in that soft second goal we wouldn't have had to go to OT
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Not sure if you can call the 2nd goal soft. If you call that soft then the 2nd goal on Helle was soft so it evens out
 
CantHaveTkachev said:
that 2nd US goal last night was a result of Binnington swimming in his net...horrible positioning

luckily Canada managed to score a 2nd goal and he redeemed himself
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Lol and if this was a Skinner goal and people posting this exact response you'd be in here telling everyone it was the forward and ds fault
 
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OilerTyler said:
Saying Bobrovsky stood on his head is just another way to say our forwards failed to capitalize on their opportunities. It's two sides of the same coin. Our forwards needed to be better.
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I strongly disagree with this statement. I don't see them being the two sides of the same coin at all.

Rather, if we look at xGF and xGA we can see how many chances a team generates and how well the team performs. To say the Oilers forwards didn't do enough is too simplistic and completely removes the goaltendings performance from the equation. Instead, look at it like this: Bobrovsky in 2 critical games saved 5.36 GSAx while Skinner "did his job" stopping the pucks he should have with a -0.06 GSAx.

In game 1, Edmonton had 3.74 xGF but couldn't score. That means that Bob saved x3.74 GSAx.

In game 7, Edmonton had 2.62 xGF but only scored once. That means that Bob saved x1.62 GSAx.

Meanwhile Skinner let in 2 in both games 1 (x1.85 GA) and 7 (x2.09 GA). for -0.06 GSAx.
 
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OilerTyler said:
Same as if we had a better offence. We scored one goal in games 1 and 2 combined and then laid an egg in game 7. I think the idea that one thing went wrong or that it's one players fault that we lost the cup is ridiculous.


Saying Draisaitl and McDavid had a bad game 7 isn't "slander" lol. They didn't have any points. Do you think they had a good game? It's possible to acknowledge that they are great players that had a great playoffs (overall) while acknowledging that they didn't do their part in the most important game. No one is saying they are trash.
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Absolutely agree with the second part. McDavid and Draisaitl needed to do more in game 7. Even though the team generated more chances than Florida, they waited too late to push for the game tying goal.
 
TB12 said:
Must be hard going through life with blinders on. You've been here since 2004, hey? Might be time to sit a few plays out, gramps. "Scoring goals easy, my grandson, Stu the Magnificent can do no wrong. Connor bad."

Context matters. You obfuscating and strawmanning does nothing to help your argument. And continually shitting on Connor is about as dumb as a take as there is on planet Earth.
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I love how everyone pretends that huge save by bob on mcdavid in the last four minutes of the game isnt a thing. One goalie made a defining save while the other let a writer from the hashmarks that wasn't particular hard in.
 
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GhostfaceWu said:
Lol and if this was a Skinner goal and people posting this exact response you'd be in here telling everyone it was the forward and ds fault
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wrong, I've maintained that 2-1 was weak on Skinner
doesn't change the fact the Oilers scored 1 goal in that game...ONE

a team with McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman and Bouchard shouldn't need 1 goal to win a game
McDoused said:
I strongly disagree with this statement. I don't see them being the two sides of the same coin at all.

Rather, if we look at xGF and xGA we can see how many chances a team generates and how well the team performs. To say the Oilers forwards didn't do enough is too simplistic and completely removes the goaltendings performance from the equation. Instead, look at it like this: Bobrovsky in 2 critical games saved 5.36 GSAx while Skinner "did his job" stopping the pucks he should have with a -0.06 GSAx.

In game 1, Edmonton had 3.74 xGF but couldn't score. That means that Bob saved x3.74 GSAx.

In game 7, Edmonton had 2.62 xGF but only scored once. That means that Bob saved x1.62 GSAx.

Meanwhile Skinner let in 2 in both games 1 (x1.85 GA) and 7 (x2.09 GA). for -0.06 GSAx.
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again, to simplify...their elite players, the ones that get paid the big bucks to win them games...came up huge in critical games while our didn't
correct?
 
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I can't see Carolina moving Rantanen unless they get something back that helps them right now. They gave up a very good player to get him and are trying to win a Cup. If he was available, I don't think the Oil have the assets to get something like that done.
 
GhostfaceWu said:
I love how everyone pretends that huge save by bob on mcdavid in the last four minutes of the game isnt a thing. One goalie made a defining save while the other let a writer from the hashmarks that wasn't particular hard in.
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I love how everyone thinks Bob was some unstoppable force that couldn't be scored on
funny how Vegas had no problem getting him in the 2023 Finals
funny how Colorado had no problem getting to Hellybuyck last year

but some fans just make excuses cause "scoring is too hard"
 
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