Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Savoie Gets an Audition With the Trade Deadline Looming

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Have to agree.

I think Knoblauch has been a great defensive coach along with Coffey.

But I think hes done a pretty poor to average job with the forwards. The forward group should be more productive than they are. When he was first hired he talked a lot about empowering players and finding roles and I honestly don’t see a lot of that going on. Either a player fits into his system or they don’t. Pretty standard for coaches really. Which is fine I guess, but it doesn’t really match his message when he was first hired.

I don’t think he’s really got a good amount of forwards going on this team. And I just see him going the McDrai route when hes down, pretty much the same as every other coach.

I agree with most of this. He hasn’t gotten the most out of this forward group. I’ll take less offence but not half the team blowing the zone like we used to see though.

That being said probably almost every coach in the league stacks the 2 best players on the planet if they need a goal. I don’t get why people have such a problem with that. It’s not like he’s running McDrai together every game for 25 minutes a game like woody was.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

What will everyone here think of the TDL if we just add say Bjugstad and a #7 LHD?

Not enough.

I'd rather get a top 4 D and/or a goalie.

 

[McDoused]

Take Draisaitl out of the picture:


Nuge and McDavid: 358 minutes CF% 58.33 SF% 57.83 GF 17 GA 15 GF% 53.13 xGF% 58.30 SCF% 60.24 HDCF 61.15

McDavid without Nuge: 162 minutes CF% 52.27 SF% 49.69 GF 6 GA 14 GF% 30.00 xGF% 51.57 SCF% 50.69 HDCF 50.82

Good point. Even though McDavid has been better without Nuge, thats because he was playing with Draisaitl. His numbers don't look great away from these two.

So logic would dictate that McDavid should be playing with one of Nuge or Draisaitl. The obvious choice is to have Draisaitl play away from McDavid as his numbers are still very good while Nuge's tend to drop.

Thats a very strong argument to run the lineup with RNH-McDavid-Hyman. The focus should be on getting Draisaitl a winger over McDavid.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Take Draisaitl out of the picture:


Nuge and McDavid: 358 minutes CF% 58.33 SF% 57.83 GF 17 GA 15 GF% 53.13 xGF% 58.30 SCF% 60.24 HDCF 61.15

McDavid without Nuge: 162 minutes CF% 52.27 SF% 49.69 GF 6 GA 14 GF% 30.00 xGF% 51.57 SCF% 50.69 HDCF 50.82

It's a good point, but as expected? If he's not playing with Drai or Nuge then who would he be playing with? Brown?

 

[foshizzle]

Good point. Even though McDavid has been better without Nuge, thats because he was playing with Draisaitl. His numbers don't look great away from these two.

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So logic would dictate that McDavid should be playing with one of Nuge or Draisaitl. The obvious choice is to have Draisaitl play away from McDavid as his numbers are still very good while Nuge's tend to drop.

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Thats a very strong argument to run the lineup with RNH-McDavid-Hyman. The focus should be on getting Draisaitl a winger over McDavid.

This is great analysis. Thank you

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Id be storming Oilers HQ. What do you mean? That would be the worst TDL possible lol

Agreed! All the talking heads are saying this, so either they are completely wrong or we will all be disappointed.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

Id be storming Oilers HQ. What do you mean? That would be the worst TDL possible lol

It would be unbelievably arrogant of Bowman to add that little at the deadline. Not only that, just stupid. We still are not the clear favorite in a hyper competitive western conference. We really really need to try to go all in this time. Otherwise we are all going to be very disappointed with how this team finishes the playoffs.

 

[Captain Controversy]

While Mcdavid is super human when he is healthy. This year seems a bit weird in terms of his production or health because it looks like mcdavid is either not trying or he is hurt..
Like Mackinnon, Mcdavid needs good players on his line to produce consistent dominant numbers.
It makes me wonder what mcdavids numbers would be if he didn't have draisailt on this team.

Anyways, I'm sure Mcdavid will go super nova in the playoffs. Lol

 

[McTonyBrar]

Agreed! All the talking heads are saying this, so either they are completely wrong or we will all be disappointed.

The only talking head that's been saying this is Seravalli. Stauffer still thinks we are going to add something significant

 

[McDoused]

I just don't know how many forwards you can realistically add to this team. With Savoie getting a look and Evander Kane coming back at some point, that's going to push other guys out of and down the lineup.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Don't think McD is hurt. He's done all the McD superhuman things this year, just less frequent.

It looks more like he's conserving energy and slowing down in areas where he's likely to get injured. Last year he talked about being tired later in the year

He 100% focused on playoffs

Even the game against the States. After he got rocked he spent the rest of the game failing to cut up the middle or the boards.

He had no probs doing it against Finlsnd.

I suspect we'll see a 100% fully charged McD come plsyoffs

 

[FlameChampion]

While Mcdavid is super human when he is healthy. This year seems a bit weird in terms of his production or health because it looks like mcdavid is either not trying or he is hurt..
Like Mackinnon, Mcdavid needs good players on his line to produce consistent dominant numbers.
It makes me wonder what mcdavids numbers would be if he didn't have draisailt on this team.

Anyways, I'm sure Mcdavid will go super nova in the playoffs. Lol

The problem with McDavid is that I don’t think you can slap a “good” player on his line and expect the line to be better. I think stylistically hes very hard to play with. And then I think theres the mental part of playing with him where players are either overwhelmed or defer too much.

Where as with Draisaitl, he just seems like hes easier to play with.

 

[McDoused]

Don't think McD is hurt. He's done all the McD superhuman things this year, just less frequent.

It looks more like he's conserving energy and slowing down in areas where he's likely to get injured. Last year he talked about being tired later in the year

He 100% focused on playoffs

Even the game against the States. After he got rocked he spent the rest of the game failing to cut up the middle or the boards.

He had no probs doing it against Finlsnd.

I suspect we'll see a 100% fully charged McD come plsyoffs

McDavid when the playoffs start.

 

[FlameChampion]

Don't think McD is hurt. He's done all the McD superhuman things this year, just less frequent.

It looks more like he's conserving energy and slowing down in areas where he's likely to get injured. Last year he talked about being tired later in the year

He 100% focused on playoffs

Even the game against the States. After he got rocked he spent the rest of the game failing to cut up the middle or the boards.

He had no probs doing it against Finlsnd.

I suspect we'll see a 100% fully charged McD come plsyoffs

We will see.

I do think he tries to avoid putting himself in bad spots because he doesn’t want to get injured. Hes not as aggressive as he once was.

But I have a hard time believing hes not trying or hes not focused and is just waiting for the playoffs personally. I really don’t what to make of his year though.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

McDavid when the playoffs start.

Hell when the stretch run starts.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[McBooya42]

Here's to hoping that he hits it out of the park.

Technically, his style should fit with Drai nicely.

I've never been that high on Savoie, that said I've never seen him play with a Leon. Here is to hoping he plays great and helps out our depth scoring issue.

I think we can all come to the conclusion that he is not being traded now with this call up.

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[OilerTyler]

Excited to see Savoie in that spot but feel bad for Skinner. I know him and Podkolzin play completely different styles but there's no doubt that line would produce more with Skinner on it. Knoblauch has clearly liked what he has seen from Podkolzin this year despite the lack of production.

 

[brentashton]

I just don't know how many forwards you can realistically add to this team. With Savoie getting a look and Evander Kane coming back at some point, that's going to push other guys out of and down the lineup.

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There are 16 forwards on that graphic. Literally at least 6+ are moveable with or without getting too fancy, using other picks and prospects, reassignment to Bako, to allow for upgrading that group overall. It comes down to how exhaustive management wants to be with making moves, players available on the market, room chemistry etc..

damn the torpedoes i say.

 

[McTedi]

While Mcdavid is super human when he is healthy. This year seems a bit weird in terms of his production or health because it looks like mcdavid is either not trying or he is hurt..
Like Mackinnon, Mcdavid needs good players on his line to produce consistent dominant numbers.
It makes me wonder what mcdavids numbers would be if he didn't have draisailt on this team.

Anyways, I'm sure Mcdavid will go super nova in the playoffs. Lol

Ugh, McD is fine. I know that the expectation is that he leads the scoring race by 20 pts every year but now saying that McD is a product of Drai seems pretty far fetched lol. We have the best player (arguably 2) in the world playing for our team, can’t we be content with that.

Excited to see Savoie in that spot but feel bad for Skinner. I know him and Podkolzin play completely different styles but there's no doubt that line would produce more with Skinner on it. Knoblauch has clearly liked what he has seen from Podkolzin this year despite the lack of production.

Giving Savoie a shot in the top 6 is awesome. Can’t wait to see the kid play.

 

[McDoused]

There are 16 forwards on that graphic. Literally at least 6+ are moveable with or without getting too fancy, using other picks and prospects, reassignment to Bako, to allow for upgrading that group overall. It comes down to how exhaustive management wants to be with making moves, players available on the market, room chemistry etc..

damn the torpedoes i say.

For me, I think you want to go out and get 2 forwards between now and the deadline. One should be a LEGIT top 6 guy like Bjorkstrand, while the other needs to be a bottom 6 that adds a physical presence like Frederic.

You have to think Arvidsson and or Skinner would need to be sent out just to make room?

 

[McDNicks17]

Excited to see Savoie in that spot but feel bad for Skinner. I know him and Podkolzin play completely different styles but there's no doubt that line would produce more with Skinner on it. Knoblauch has clearly liked what he has seen from Podkolzin this year despite the lack of production.

I don't think that's so cut and dry.

A big part of that line scoring is Podz dominating on the possession side of things, IMO. Skinner might finish more chances, but that line is going to get way more chances with Pod.

 

[McShogun99]

Excited to see Savoie in that spot but feel bad for Skinner. I know him and Podkolzin play completely different styles but there's no doubt that line would produce more with Skinner on it. Knoblauch has clearly liked what he has seen from Podkolzin this year despite the lack of production.

Skinner probably won't care where he plays in the lineup as long as he gets to play in the post season.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I don't think that's so cut and dry.

A big part of that line scoring is Podz dominating on the possession side of things, IMO. Skinner might finish more chances, but that line is going to get way more chances with Pod.

Possession and space, things that Leon can destroy teams with.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Excited to see Savoie in that spot but feel bad for Skinner. I know him and Podkolzin play completely different styles but there's no doubt that line would produce more with Skinner on it. Knoblauch has clearly liked what he has seen from Podkolzin this year despite the lack of production.

I also think Drai wants to play with Pod